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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-30 09:28:56
June 30 2014 09:25 GMT
#181
On June 30 2014 10:03 EnSky wrote:
Not again!
NaVi was okay in the early to mid part of game 2 but was very volatile in the late game. And one thing I also noticed was than Dendi was mediocre in those games. Don't get me wrong. Dendi is still good but it's just that I feel like something is off. I hope they sort things out before TI4.

Yes, they were, but game 1 they weren't ok, they got outdrafted badly and i think that comes from the lack of research i mentioned. And yes again, Dendi was off, he missed that Coil at the beginning pretty much like an amateur.

On June 30 2014 10:16 DucK- wrote:
Feels no longer like the same navi that focussed on their trademark aggressive style. They seem to be playing catch up, rather than dictate the game. Their drafts are so not navi-like. I still believe in them though.

Also no more necro void. Why did he even think it was a good idea.

I get you, the thing is they are always catching up because they didn't grasp the new meta or better to say that they didn't master the best heroes this meta offer.
I would love to see Puppey playing a good Mirana for a change, when he doesn't get Enchantress, Chen or Enigma he seems so lost.
They all must step up in terms of pick "range". We all know Funnik can play at Admirals Prophet level if he focus into that, or even a proper Doom. Same with Puppey, he must get out of the mind-control only picks, he can do better. Kky I like the best, he has some downs though but I feel he is the most "regular" in terms of performance. And Dendi is not carrying like he used to but I think it is because of lack of confidence in terms of drafts, something like he doesn't feel as secure as back in TI3 were every one of his team was there to back his bad trades or to support those magic tricks he pulled out of the hat.

On June 30 2014 16:05 Caladbolg wrote:
I think Na'Vi need to up their aggression even more. It often rewards them, as opposed to the defensive style they've run a couple of times (where they just get out-greeded or get caught out of position lategame). They're probably the only team save NB and IG who get better and better the more they overextend.

Yes, i agree. But to do this they must really get into the 6.81 boat. You saw how Xboct performed with AM, he seemed the old carry we all loved back at TI3, that was his best match, from the ones i have seen, since this year. This shows how much he knows AM and how much he doesn't know this meta's heroes.
And also they must adapt to the drafts results. OK, they counterpicked (twice) your Prophet, then babysit that lane and make them pay. Storm Spirit was the most farmed hero that first game.
Like IG on the last match, EG got Tiny+IO+SK and that means your squishy heroes are going to get rekt on mid-game. Did IG care? No, they just babysitted mid and made some good rotations, missed two or three combos but in the end they overran EG, with balls and meta.

Also don't forget that almost every team changed at least a bit their rooster, Na´Vi should run with an advantage and they are not showing that in the least.
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
June 30 2014 13:31 GMT
#182
Judging by the last 2 interviews at ESL from Dendi and Ppy, NaVi is in a place where everyone blames everyone but themselves. When they are in a state like that they cannot improve because they can't objectively judge their performance as a team and individually. Unlike some of you, I don't think that individual skill on some heroes is lacking, but when there are trust issues among the team members its kind of a given that each one of them will make questionable plays and under perform.

What puzzles me the most is how they seems to run into this problem at least once a year and that time of the year happens to be right before the biggest tournament. One would think they'd find a solution for it by now.. Perhaps its because they are slacking through most of the year and think that they know how to play the new meta and after losing repeatedly they get emotional because none of them is on the same page about the meta and how they should play, hence the im right all of you are wrong attitude.

Well whatever the case, I hope they get their shit together soon because its going to be weird not seeing them for the first time in the history of IT on the main stage in the grand finals.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
June 30 2014 14:43 GMT
#183
Do you mind linking the Interviews?
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FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
June 30 2014 14:52 GMT
#184
Sure, there you go



Smile, tomorrow will be worse
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-30 15:21:27
June 30 2014 15:00 GMT
#185
There's an interview with Kuro from ESL One aswell.



@FreakyDroid
Where did you get the impression that navi blames everybody else in those interviews? I felt that PPY admitted a lot of problems within the team
- bad movement during games (+ implications on the draft that he didn't dwell on)
- they are improving but he doesn't know if they do it fast enough to play a good role at ti
- they are not noticing when they do lead in games and because of that fail to use advantages

sure puppey himself doesn't say that his drafting sucks and that he makes mistakes as an individual but as a team captain i found his answers definitely okayish.
I couldn't take anything out of dendi's interview. He was so sad.
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
June 30 2014 17:04 GMT
#186
Wow, the Dendi interview is so heartbreaking.

One week seems very short to refine their play and get back to their top shape. But, honestly, if you look closely to their last performances, they have only lost to EG. The Summit, ESL one and D2L. I would have loved to see Navi play other teams, because right now the only thing I can get from their last results, is that EG is just stronger than Navi. It's hard to really figure out their shape. They lost to VG but it was before the bootcamp, and rolled over fnatic and empire, but it was an online tournament.
While I'm worried for them, I'm not sure they're as weak as people make it sound. And at the same time the second game against EG is making me doubting, bad decision making, bad movements, not so good teamfights, weird drafts etc... I guess I will have to wait for TI4 to get answers.
Yacobs
Profile Joined March 2010
United States846 Posts
June 30 2014 18:21 GMT
#187
I feel like they'll get off to a bad start in the group stage and Puppey will revert to picking their favorite heroes instead of fancy drafting and they'll scrape by.
Adrian_mx
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico1880 Posts
June 30 2014 19:17 GMT
#188
I dont think they'll make it far at all sadly
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FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
June 30 2014 20:07 GMT
#189
On July 01 2014 00:00 smr wrote:
@FreakyDroid
Where did you get the impression that navi blames everybody else in those interviews? I felt that PPY admitted a lot of problems within the team
.


4 minutes in he talks about it, then interviewer asks him if they will resolve the issue before TI4 and he gives the answer that it has happened before and he hopes it will happen again, pretty much implying about the same state they were in before TI2. At least thats what I took from it.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
June 30 2014 21:57 GMT
#190
On July 01 2014 05:07 FreakyDroid wrote:
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On July 01 2014 00:00 smr wrote:
@FreakyDroid
Where did you get the impression that navi blames everybody else in those interviews? I felt that PPY admitted a lot of problems within the team
.


4 minutes in he talks about it, then interviewer asks him if they will resolve the issue before TI4 and he gives the answer that it has happened before and he hopes it will happen again, pretty much implying about the same state they were in before TI2. At least thats what I took from it.

I think that's a bit of a longshot He can be talking about their slump.

On another note, as fans of the most visible team in DotA2, we should cheer them on win or lose and hope for the best that they'd do well no matter what the circumstance. It may sound fanboy-ish but I love the team ever since I tuned in to watch the first TI. The first game I watched live was them losing to EHOME but I still liked the losing team better. (I didn't know they were undefeated till that point too)
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
July 01 2014 00:58 GMT
#191
kuroky interview was confident!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 03 2014 14:25 GMT
#192
http://read.navi-gaming.com/team_news/new_jersey_2014

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ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
July 03 2014 14:28 GMT
#193
The yellow one is ugly, the white one is quite alright imo.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 03 2014 14:29 GMT
#194
Yeah, I'm not instantly sold but once I see it on some players I may appreciate it more.
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Adrian_mx
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico1880 Posts
July 03 2014 15:08 GMT
#195
Those jerseys look good imo. I dont get how a 3 year team has trust issues. They know eachother so well thats really odd
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 06 2014 01:44 GMT
#196
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-06 02:23:34
July 06 2014 02:23 GMT
#197
Just from that pic alone i'm predicting na'vi top 5.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 06 2014 03:24 GMT
#198
I don't know, do you think they have issues and drama? I mean, look at that picture. How many fucks do those guys give?
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-06 08:04:30
July 06 2014 07:02 GMT
#199
cool, goblak is coaching na`vi for TI

http://read.navi-gaming.com/en/team_news/coach_for_navi
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EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
July 06 2014 09:04 GMT
#200
On July 06 2014 16:02 opterown wrote:
cool, goblak is coaching na`vi for TI

http://read.navi-gaming.com/en/team_news/coach_for_navi

Then we should await the strats! I'm actually glad to see Goblak back with Na'Vi even for just a while.
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