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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 18 2016 15:35 GMT
#2641
Thats because OG were beaten soundly in China their only other lan apart from this one. The online cups they were getting beat regularly also. Virtus Pro did well to qualify for Boston and are a crazy team that hasn't been studied as much but are showing good games with a strong squad.

EG just getting out drafted a bit and also sometimes switch off / lack in team fights randomly which can have a big effect. When they are all on point and strong though they deliver strong one sided games and finishes. However when it goes wrong they lose 2-0 to OG who they were like 4 series victories in a row over them up until that point.
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
November 20 2016 02:08 GMT
#2642
Well played by EG! Proud of the boys showing composer after that first game stomp.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
November 20 2016 05:26 GMT
#2643
On November 19 2016 00:35 Pandemona wrote:
Thats because OG were beaten soundly in China their only other lan apart from this one. The online cups they were getting beat regularly also. Virtus Pro did well to qualify for Boston and are a crazy team that hasn't been studied as much but are showing good games with a strong squad.

EG just getting out drafted a bit and also sometimes switch off / lack in team fights randomly which can have a big effect. When they are all on point and strong though they deliver strong one sided games and finishes. However when it goes wrong they lose 2-0 to OG who they were like 4 series victories in a row over them up until that point.
They lost to VP in the GF at ESL dota qualify, lost a bo1 vs Empire in another tournament, and lastly Captains draft, where EG pushed OG down to lower bracket final. I don't think that qualifies as getting beat regularly.

They have 3 series prior to this, where 2 of them were at MDL, where EG came in with a huge advantage, because most of their players have played together several times, while most other teams were trying to gel with their new rosters; new players entirely, and then Captain draft which is a different mode.
LiangHao
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
November 20 2016 11:38 GMT
#2644
On November 20 2016 14:26 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2016 00:35 Pandemona wrote:
Thats because OG were beaten soundly in China their only other lan apart from this one. The online cups they were getting beat regularly also. Virtus Pro did well to qualify for Boston and are a crazy team that hasn't been studied as much but are showing good games with a strong squad.

EG just getting out drafted a bit and also sometimes switch off / lack in team fights randomly which can have a big effect. When they are all on point and strong though they deliver strong one sided games and finishes. However when it goes wrong they lose 2-0 to OG who they were like 4 series victories in a row over them up until that point.
They lost to VP in the GF at ESL dota qualify, lost a bo1 vs Empire in another tournament, and lastly Captains draft, where EG pushed OG down to lower bracket final. I don't think that qualifies as getting beat regularly.

They have 3 series prior to this, where 2 of them were at MDL, where EG came in with a huge advantage, because most of their players have played together several times, while most other teams were trying to gel with their new rosters; new players entirely, and then Captain draft which is a different mode.

I think that qualifies as getting beat regularly actually, and I saw the games except the bo1 against Empire and theier opponent looked alott better in those games.
But OG are looking alott better, and I think thats with S4 and Ana finding theier roles and way of playing with OG, this team will just get better with time, and can be a contender for first place at the Major.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
November 20 2016 11:59 GMT
#2645
On November 20 2016 20:38 Atoissen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 14:26 Dracolich70 wrote:
On November 19 2016 00:35 Pandemona wrote:
Thats because OG were beaten soundly in China their only other lan apart from this one. The online cups they were getting beat regularly also. Virtus Pro did well to qualify for Boston and are a crazy team that hasn't been studied as much but are showing good games with a strong squad.

EG just getting out drafted a bit and also sometimes switch off / lack in team fights randomly which can have a big effect. When they are all on point and strong though they deliver strong one sided games and finishes. However when it goes wrong they lose 2-0 to OG who they were like 4 series victories in a row over them up until that point.
They lost to VP in the GF at ESL dota qualify, lost a bo1 vs Empire in another tournament, and lastly Captains draft, where EG pushed OG down to lower bracket final. I don't think that qualifies as getting beat regularly.

They have 3 series prior to this, where 2 of them were at MDL, where EG came in with a huge advantage, because most of their players have played together several times, while most other teams were trying to gel with their new rosters; new players entirely, and then Captain draft which is a different mode.

I think that qualifies as getting beat regularly actually, and I saw the games except the bo1 against Empire and theier opponent looked alott better in those games.
But OG are looking alott better, and I think thats with S4 and Ana finding theier roles and way of playing with OG, this team will just get better with time, and can be a contender for first place at the Major.
Losing 4 series two of which were either GF or a final is not regularly, and one being a bo1. That is removing the meaning of the word.
LiangHao
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
November 20 2016 12:48 GMT
#2646
Well, it was only a GF in a qualifier, and the teams they beat up to it was rather weak.
And at MDL they lost first to Newbee in the semis and then to EG in the Losers bracket final.
Based on the number of games they have played online and at LAN after TI6 they only have a winrate of about 50%, kinda means they been beat regularly...
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 20 2016 13:59 GMT
#2647
My basis of the EG vs OG was on the back of;
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Elimination_Mode/2
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/MarsTV_Dota_2_League/2016

Which EG are a total of 6W 2L (3-0Series) the 2-0 that OG gave EG in this tournament was a complete surprise. Especially considered how the previous series went but it doesn't matter you are only as good as you were the previous day in any sport. I guess right now OG must be considered favourites due to the 2-0 before. So looking forward to it, come on EG lets wrap up another summit win :D
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Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 14:23:08
November 20 2016 14:20 GMT
#2648
On November 20 2016 22:59 Pandemona wrote:
My basis of the EG vs OG was on the back of;
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Elimination_Mode/2
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/MarsTV_Dota_2_League/2016

Which EG are a total of 6W 2L (3-0Series) the 2-0 that OG gave EG in this tournament was a complete surprise. Especially considered how the previous series went but it doesn't matter you are only as good as you were the previous day in any sport. I guess right now OG must be considered favourites due to the 2-0 before. So looking forward to it, come on EG lets wrap up another summit win :D
I already named them, which makes it 3, not 4.

It is not a surprise that OG would be better than they were at MDL, where they were newly formed. It was a surprise they beat EG so easily, and it is surprising have improved with so few matches.

I still consider EG favorites, because it is easier correcting a loss, than repeating a win, and EG have had more time, and has had better basis to gel, due to their familiarity with one another, stretching much longer than this iteration of EG. And lastly due to the trend of coming off wins, are more likely to succeed than a team that just comes off a loss.
LiangHao
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 20 2016 15:10 GMT
#2649
No cuz EG played OG 2 times in MDL and 1 time in EM that is 3 series! EG weren't exactly a stable team where they. Had Fear retire go to coach, had a 17 year old untested and tried captain to play as 5 with Zai and RTZ . Had to get farmers like RTZ and Suma1l on same page etcetc even PPD took ages to get that controlled after TI5.

However still should be good series and fact EG beat wings in a bo3, no matter what happens im happy with how team is going into Boston.
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
November 21 2016 15:31 GMT
#2650
I think the boys did good in this Summit, shame they didnt get to play VP, just to see how much better they are.
Alott of good games, a couple of fail drafts, and I hope they dont get caught on safelane lvl 1 again
They gonna be even stronger at Boston.

PS: Heard VP are staying US until Boston, im guessing alott of scrims between teams next week, and an interesting Boston Major to follow
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 22 2016 09:44 GMT
#2651
Yeah i would assume that maybe even Wings might stay too unless they cant because of visa but i think they should be ok. Be nice if everyone at summit remained there so EG can scrim everyone they want.

I was happy with Summit too, got some more information on others and alot of games to recap and analyze for coach Fear.

Countdown to BOSTON!!! 10 days and counting
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 24 2016 13:46 GMT
#2652
Finished watching the vod of EG in captains draft, literally that last game was awful. I would hate to be a pro player trying to chase around endless bears for almost 2 hours knowing in a straight up fight you could probably win but not gonna happen.

Oh well we still learnt something im sure and they showed they had a few good decisions in them in the late late late game. Now im sure its hard work scrimming until Boston which i fancy us to place very high. OG on the other hand showing us Bulldonger still lives, what a great team loool D:
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Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1137 Posts
November 24 2016 15:12 GMT
#2653
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-24 19:06:35
November 24 2016 19:05 GMT
#2654
Perhaps if you are looking for non bias comments you dont go into a thread built around hyping and discussing aka a fan club thread. I do not go onto Chelsea website and discuss how great Man Utd are or expect to see comments as such.

The last game as dota goes is awful to watch, it is cat vs mouse rat which not everyone likes to see. Especially when it is so long and it gets to a point in the game where it is 1 vs 5 dota aka NoTails red bear running around taking a tower or a rax and running home. That is that style of Dota which we had for about 3 months from 2015 - early 2016 when Alliance "were back" until it got nurfed back out of the game. Now its captains draft and there was literally 23 heroes left in the pool so i have no problem with that one off game. I just said my opinion a bias one and now your calling me out on it for "hating"

Also as discussed with someone else, EG vs OG is now equal in series and games won

3 Series Wins Each
9 Games Won Each

(Stats from this season aka these rosters)
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Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1137 Posts
November 24 2016 19:41 GMT
#2655
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-24 20:09:12
November 24 2016 20:07 GMT
#2656
Explain what happened at MDL or the earlier round in Captains Draft ? Your point is an opinion based on my opinion just straight up trashing it because you don't agree with it. Yet that isn't the issue, the issue is your saying it to someone who is posting about the team he supports in the supporting the team thread. If i said this in LR thread or anywhere else then feel free to hate and point out flaws in what i say. But to expect someone to change their opinion in a supporters thread because in your opinion OG > EG or whatever your trying to say i dont know or care is irrelevant.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6593 Posts
November 24 2016 21:07 GMT
#2657
I'm not going to get into what you guys are talking about but Pande this isn't a fan club thread it's a team discussion thread. Anybody who wants to talk about EG does it here not only fans of the team
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ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-24 22:03:50
November 24 2016 22:03 GMT
#2658
Sumail choked so hard last night LOL. Fun games though.
Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1137 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-25 00:32:48
November 25 2016 00:32 GMT
#2659
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Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
November 25 2016 20:23 GMT
#2660
I still think EG is better than OG.

EG has a continuing problem of giving up leads. I don't know if they try to make too risky of a play or what, but it happens way more than it should.
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