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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7080 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-08 08:34:18
October 08 2022 04:46 GMT
#1
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(Wiki)The International 2022 Last Chance Qualifier


Group Stage – October 8th - October 9th, 2022

Playoff Bracket – October 10th - October 12th, 2022
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
October 08 2022 07:12 GMT
#2
Ded Gmae

It's TI and everyone is resting /s

I'm gonna laugh if T1 cant even make it out of the groups
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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3618 Posts
October 08 2022 13:22 GMT
#3
On October 08 2022 16:12 LennX wrote:
Ded Gmae

It's TI and everyone is resting /s

I'm gonna laugh if T1 cant even make it out of the groups


Well they'll get LB at least.
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 08 2022 14:45 GMT
#4
As no team is undefeated already, this could get interesting!
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
October 09 2022 02:32 GMT
#5
What is up with the brood offlane. Was played a few times yesterday but I never followed those games since I assumed the series would be stomps.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-09 02:55:37
October 09 2022 02:52 GMT
#6
T1 is also interesting. Topson is playing pos 1 from mid in most games. Perhaps due to Ana having a low impact in the games I've watched. Could be how they want to play but especially the first series yesterday they didn't pick that way.

Current game Kuku is doing it from offlane.

Guess they are doing 3 core with lower focus on the safe lane one.
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
October 09 2022 03:17 GMT
#7
On October 09 2022 11:52 Yurie wrote:
T1 is also interesting. Topson is playing pos 1 from mid in most games. Perhaps due to Ana having a low impact in the games I've watched. Could be how they want to play but especially the first series yesterday they didn't pick that way.

Current game Kuku is doing it from offlane.

Guess they are doing 3 core with lower focus on the safe lane one.


Yea.. This playstyle is reminiscent of TI3 Alliance
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Kyir
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1047 Posts
October 09 2022 04:00 GMT
#8
I haven't watched much Dota in years, but some of these games have been a blast. I'm glad it's still going strong.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-09 04:06:19
October 09 2022 04:05 GMT
#9
I hope Secret are testing things out. It feels like they don't really know what works or doesn't in the tournament. They play pretty well but put themselves in strange positions by drafts.

Nouns is surprising me today. Playing much better than yesterday.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44267 Posts
October 09 2022 10:04 GMT
#10
wtf is this veno first pick by t1
this is a quote
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-09 11:07:50
October 09 2022 11:01 GMT
#11
T1 is 1 game away from UB or getting sent to LB
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 09 2022 12:52 GMT
#12
All the American teams are lower bracket...

NaVi are looking good. Pulling out a Core IO was nothing I expected from them!
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-10 04:46:09
October 10 2022 04:33 GMT
#13
T1 should do pudge carry with morph mid.

Edit, yay they did pick it, seems strong against naga.

Edit 2, though not sure why they went offlane with it.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
October 10 2022 05:26 GMT
#14
The first series today seems to show that timing lineups don't work. Could be the teams are in the wrong sweet spot where the opponent is good enough to target your mistakes while you still make too many?
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
October 10 2022 05:43 GMT
#15
Haha, that hand written message on the back of the A4 notes from Blitz.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 10 2022 06:09 GMT
#16
On October 10 2022 14:26 Yurie wrote:
The first series today seems to show that timing lineups don't work. Could be the teams are in the wrong sweet spot where the opponent is good enough to target your mistakes while you still make too many?

I'm not sure... I had the same thinking, but looking at the games it is ... unconclusive
Also I admit, quite a few heroes I can't completly put in a "timing" spot. SF goes quite late, as does TA I think. But more than Morph or a Terrorblade!? And what is "late"? 40min? 50? more?

I know from past TIs that you see some things in the group stages you think is "busted" and "all" try to play it. But suddenly in Playoffs the game changes and it falls off! Maybe we will get something like that too!
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 10 2022 08:43 GMT
#17
phew we dodged the usual TL choke against SEA teams. Just two more Bo3s for the "safety" of the main event :S
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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
October 10 2022 08:46 GMT
#18
Liquid with the clean game 3. Rooting for Matu that he will be attending TI and make a deep run on his last tournament.

Secret taking down the chinese giant XG and VP on the brink of winning against VG. EEU and WEU looking good so far. All of NA and SA can be eliminated today...
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
October 10 2022 09:23 GMT
#19
On October 10 2022 15:09 Geisterkarle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2022 14:26 Yurie wrote:
The first series today seems to show that timing lineups don't work. Could be the teams are in the wrong sweet spot where the opponent is good enough to target your mistakes while you still make too many?

I'm not sure... I had the same thinking, but looking at the games it is ... unconclusive
Also I admit, quite a few heroes I can't completly put in a "timing" spot. SF goes quite late, as does TA I think. But more than Morph or a Terrorblade!? And what is "late"? 40min? 50? more?

I know from past TIs that you see some things in the group stages you think is "busted" and "all" try to play it. But suddenly in Playoffs the game changes and it falls off! Maybe we will get something like that too!

OG going magical snapfire mid is the one that really stuck out to me. A lineup where you need to have a 10k lead at 25 min or you get outscaled.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 10 2022 11:07 GMT
#20
On October 10 2022 18:23 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2022 15:09 Geisterkarle wrote:
On October 10 2022 14:26 Yurie wrote:
The first series today seems to show that timing lineups don't work. Could be the teams are in the wrong sweet spot where the opponent is good enough to target your mistakes while you still make too many?

I'm not sure... I had the same thinking, but looking at the games it is ... unconclusive
Also I admit, quite a few heroes I can't completly put in a "timing" spot. SF goes quite late, as does TA I think. But more than Morph or a Terrorblade!? And what is "late"? 40min? 50? more?

I know from past TIs that you see some things in the group stages you think is "busted" and "all" try to play it. But suddenly in Playoffs the game changes and it falls off! Maybe we will get something like that too!

OG going magical snapfire mid is the one that really stuck out to me. A lineup where you need to have a 10k lead at 25 min or you get outscaled.

That is an "extreme" example. I actually think about that if I see a Pos 1 Lina!
Maybe it is "just the game" that changed, that there isn't a clear "cut" between "mid game" and "late game" heroes anymore.

Aside that:
Tempest first out. And Xtreme... Infamous looking good; 1:0 in front and second map quite even/good for INF! Maybe the first bigger upset incoming?
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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-10 11:15:06
October 10 2022 11:13 GMT
#21
On October 10 2022 15:09 Geisterkarle wrote:
Also I admit, quite a few heroes I can't completly put in a "timing" spot. SF goes quite late, as does TA I think. But more than Morph or a Terrorblade!? And what is "late"? 40min? 50? more?


Guess it depends on how you are playing a hero...Magic SF is pretty strong till BKBs are coming up, then falls off and getting strong again once BKBs are on the low side and/or you have the tools with arcane blink and hex to prevent the BKB-usage. Same for Zeus with his percentage based damage...an absolute monster once BKBs are down.

Would count Medusa, Void and classic Spectre as well to the ultra late game heroes which can 1vs5 with the right set-up...

Early game till minutes 15, mid game 15-40 and everything beyond minute 40 is late game for me.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-10 16:23:13
October 10 2022 16:21 GMT
#22
I would say above 40 is a good estimate of late game since 30-45 is the normal game length.

It is so nice that the series I want to see the most in the playoffs are the morning series. Can get up at 4 and watch them before work.

I actually quite like the two parallel series as well. 4 is too much, 1 means a lot of dead time.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 10 2022 16:52 GMT
#23
Well after we found out, what minute is late ... we have to look, who is still good there!?
Even a few months ago I remember a team picked Templar Assassin as Pos 1. And it was quite a long game and even the casters were surprised, that TA is still an absolutely killer at 50+min! They thought it will drop off.
And now... maybe we "think" that some heroes are "just for a timing" but go quite late too!

But back to topic: Wildcard the only American team making it to tomorrow!
Infamous were close! They were hitting their head too much against the wall (or highground) in game 2!
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 11 2022 02:24 GMT
#24
topson with mid oracle in game 1 vs secret - seems to be doing well so far?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 11 2022 02:44 GMT
#25
Ok it sucked
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
October 11 2022 03:19 GMT
#26
Liquid won in super late game against VP. Refresher on Void + SF makes for impossible fights.
Kyir
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1047 Posts
October 11 2022 03:22 GMT
#27
That TL vs. VP game was something else.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
October 11 2022 03:55 GMT
#28
T1 did not impress. Did not during the group stage either but Secret took them easily. This second game can't really be blamed on the draft.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 11 2022 06:21 GMT
#29
Well, T1 are not out yet. But interesting things they tried...

Oh, "out": Wildcard is now gone and so is America

And I just noticed the "unusual" match-times. The lower-bracket have to play back-to-back games! Normally in those playoff-brackets this is only happening before the grand finale - which we don't have here.
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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-11 09:21:09
October 11 2022 07:19 GMT
#30
Quite the series between VP and TL, unfortunately game 3 fell off.

CN Doto on the ropes, both XG and VG are only one game away of being eliminated. Chinese Doto best Doto? No way...they may have the best team with LGD, but afterwards? Still possible that six teams from WEU will be at TI...talking about most competetive region.

EDIT: T1 with the ultra mega throw against VG in Game 2. XG also forcing a game 3 against NaVi which is very intense so far.

EDIT2: XG prevails like yesterday. Terrible Game 1, better game 2 and 3. Now going against Liquid.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 11 2022 10:22 GMT
#31
Holy! Liquid destroying Xtreme in game 1! 19min game!
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 11 2022 10:37 GMT
#32
I sure hope TL break the XG pattern :S
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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
October 11 2022 11:22 GMT
#33
Holy crap...finally somebody put the nail into the coffin of XG. Very underwhelming throughout the whole LC qualifiers. Liquid bounced back from their loss against VP with two complete stomps and now facing VG. VG did not look that great as well so far.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
October 11 2022 15:10 GMT
#34
On October 10 2022 20:13 Rufus Dupres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2022 15:09 Geisterkarle wrote:
Also I admit, quite a few heroes I can't completly put in a "timing" spot. SF goes quite late, as does TA I think. But more than Morph or a Terrorblade!? And what is "late"? 40min? 50? more?


Guess it depends on how you are playing a hero...Magic SF is pretty strong till BKBs are coming up, then falls off and getting strong again once BKBs are on the low side and/or you have the tools with arcane blink and hex to prevent the BKB-usage. Same for Zeus with his percentage based damage...an absolute monster once BKBs are down.

Would count Medusa, Void and classic Spectre as well to the ultra late game heroes which can 1vs5 with the right set-up...

Early game till minutes 15, mid game 15-40 and everything beyond minute 40 is late game for me.

My experience with spec is that you have a timing around Manta+1 and past that only get weaker. Spec's main advantages over other carries is the ability to jump and kill a sup fairly reliably at the start of the fight and get vision. Killing a sup becomes increasingly difficult the longer the game goes though and while yes you can become very tanky due to dispersion break makes you very killable.

Spec is still a strong core in the later stages, but I'd much rather have a 6-slotted AM than a 6-slotted Spec on average.
low gravity, yes-yes!
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7735 Posts
October 11 2022 15:28 GMT
#35
T1 is out, good. Sad for the sea players, but topson and ana should not expect to just force their way into TI without playing the DPC.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 11 2022 15:38 GMT
#36
On October 12 2022 00:28 PoulsenB wrote:
T1 is out, good. Sad for the sea players, but topson and ana should not expect to just force their way into TI without playing the DPC.

yep, turns out there is a reason people play the whole season
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 11 2022 15:43 GMT
#37
everything that I've seen so far has been pretty on point, but I've only watched like two games so far :/ hopefully I'll have more time for the group stage onwards

hoping that both secret and liquid pull through tomorrow
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-11 17:24:53
October 11 2022 17:19 GMT
#38
I thought I would skip watching the second liquid series of the day. Then I saw the total match time and decided I had time for it after watching the ending of the first liquid series during the morning. (Had to leave for work after 3.5h of the first Bo3 of the day.)

The contrast between the two series for liquid was very large.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 12 2022 03:08 GMT
#39
holy fuck the end of secret vs vp game 1 - just a close game overall
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 12 2022 03:13 GMT
#40
such a great fight from crystallis at the end, showing his top tier carry chops
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 12 2022 04:53 GMT
#41
nice they did it
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-12 05:52:43
October 12 2022 05:36 GMT
#42
Ouch that Liquid game. Losing 3 lanes into not being able to do anything really.

I think Pudge mid doesn't suit how Liquid plays normally. It isn't a strong hero from mid in the first place and it doesn't suit them.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 12 2022 05:39 GMT
#43
On October 12 2022 13:53 emperorchampion wrote:
nice they did it

Yeah, Puppy keeping his "Ti-grandpa" status
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-12 06:00:34
October 12 2022 05:59 GMT
#44
Ouch, why does liquid let VG get that draft? If you asked VG what they wanted when the game started they would probably list Primal offlane and ES+Morph combo as top picks. The other two are just what was available to round it out and likely not their top pick for 5 and mid.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 12 2022 07:00 GMT
#45
Well, they got it to map 3!
Liquid had a really good laning stage and they had really good push!
That jump from insania at the end was incredible!
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 12 2022 07:38 GMT
#46
one last bo3 for TI!
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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
October 12 2022 07:41 GMT
#47
Insane game 2 and 3 from Liquid after that hard loss in game 1. Matu new China slayer...

Now sent bloody gpk into oblivion and WEU will be having six teams out of 20 at TI.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
Merany
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France890 Posts
October 12 2022 07:56 GMT
#48
Cmon Liquid, gimme those sweet last chance qualifier battle pass points :D
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
October 12 2022 08:27 GMT
#49
GG! Hardly get to catch dotes these days but good to see TL trouncing a team like that. GL here fellas.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 12 2022 09:00 GMT
#50
Man, after a wonky first game, Liquid runs hot today!
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Merany
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France890 Posts
October 12 2022 09:08 GMT
#51
Good first game by Liquid! Let's go guys!
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-12 09:27:23
October 12 2022 09:14 GMT
#52
Matu not ready for retirement and wants his last big paycheck from Valve.

What makes Matu happy?

If VP is not banning Disruptor and/or picking it first, then they will lose game 2 as well(most likely).

EDIT: Has VP not seen how Liquid crushed the VG-Morph with the Tusk/Disruptor duo?
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 12 2022 10:10 GMT
#53
liquid looking good
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
October 12 2022 10:14 GMT
#54
Whooo Liquid
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 12 2022 10:16 GMT
#55
There they go again!
now we have a few days of breathing time
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 12 2022 10:32 GMT
#56
Liquid at TI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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TL+ Member
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
October 12 2022 10:47 GMT
#57
noiceee
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
October 12 2022 11:00 GMT
#58
So happy for them and especially for Matu. My most beloved pro-player since 5Jungz...get some well deserved rest(zai looked pretty wasted the past days) and make a deep run at the tournament
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 12 2022 15:40 GMT
#59
On October 12 2022 13:53 emperorchampion wrote:
nice they did it

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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 12 2022 15:43 GMT
#60
both teams should be pretty well warmed for the groups - speaking of which, I suppose they will be released sometime later today?
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Kyir
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1047 Posts
October 12 2022 18:13 GMT
#61
Woo, Liquid! Hoping they can ride this momentum into the main event.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 13 2022 04:48 GMT
#62
groups up: https://twitter.com/dota2ti/status/1580392581602476034?s=20&t=VDwc3rU5OMP_2dR184I_XA
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
October 13 2022 07:39 GMT
#63
Don't know which group will be more contested... will be great!
2 Days to go! Do we get a nice "offical" thread?
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