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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 16 2018 19:12 GMT
#186481
Kinda don't like holidays to be honest. Or at least, I wish the one lab was open on campus. Wanted to do some chemical deposition to see if I could fill a gap in a PCB with a solution from COC and toluene but sadly they close all of campus down.

Guess all I can do is go to campus on Sunday to read papers. :X
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 16 2018 19:20 GMT
#186482
Different provinces give you family day on different days too, it's a ridiculous holiday but at least I get paid for it xd.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 16 2018 19:30 GMT
#186483
Tried looking it up, have no idea what it's supposed to be about in Ontario. Think it's literally a day where we get to just chill in February.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
February 16 2018 19:55 GMT
#186484
excuse you Canadians this long weekend is for Presidents’ Day where we get to celebrate our illustrious history of great presidents like DICK NIXON and MILLARD FILLMORE
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
February 16 2018 19:56 GMT
#186485
Sounds fuckin' amazing?
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 16 2018 20:00 GMT
#186486
What, having a random day off? At least other holidays I know of have some sort of explanation given, even if a bit antiquated. This is just "have some time off and reflect on how we have families in Canada."

Maybe I just don't get it. I know it's Louis Riel Day in other parts of the country, I reckon we just followed them.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
February 16 2018 20:04 GMT
#186487
I don't bloody care why I'm having a day off.
Actually I do. But as long as it ain't celebrating Hitler I'm fine with next to whatever. No reason is definitely good enough for me
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 20:06:07
February 16 2018 20:05 GMT
#186488
Unfortunately I wanted to do some experiments this coming week, and not having a day in the lab is annoying. But whatever, it's just one day, after all. I also don't even have classes this week, just realized that rofl.

Why am I bitter, then..
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 16 2018 20:05 GMT
#186489
i figure it's called "we need a fucking holiday sometime in the 3 entire months between new years day and good friday"
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
February 16 2018 20:07 GMT
#186490
On February 17 2018 05:00 intotheheart wrote:
What, having a random day off? At least other holidays I know of have some sort of explanation given, even if a bit antiquated. This is just "have some time off and reflect on how we have families in Canada."

Maybe I just don't get it. I know it's Louis Riel Day in other parts of the country, I reckon we just followed them.

Governments needed to force in a February holiday because for a while it was one of two months (along with June) without a holiday. When my parents owned a store they weren't too happy with Family Day after it was instated, because it meant less business for them, so I have that lingering feeling even to this day that it is frivolous. But I have Reading (sorry, "Study") Week falling on Family Day anyways, so it makes no real difference.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-16 23:28:30
February 16 2018 20:10 GMT
#186491
Yeah, thankfully my undergrad class isn't running then. And I am a bit behind on my readings, so I guess I"ll just allocate time a bit differently. I'm still working on the other four days, so losing one day of work but also not having any class balance out well enough probably.


AND NO TA DUTIES WOOHOO


edit: I don't dislike being a TA, but it sure eats away at my time.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
February 16 2018 23:18 GMT
#186492
On February 17 2018 04:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Different provinces give you family day on different days too, it's a ridiculous holiday but at least I get paid for it xd.

BC is changing to theirs to follow the rest of them
© Current year.
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-17 00:04:33
February 17 2018 00:01 GMT
#186493
On February 17 2018 03:56 Fleetfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2018 23:12 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 18:40 Fleetfeet wrote:
On February 16 2018 14:14 Plansix wrote:
On February 16 2018 12:09 Fleetfeet wrote:
On February 16 2018 05:58 Plansix wrote:
The courier costing money is sort of a silly hold over. A second courier costing money make sense. But not the first one.


Wot

Economy management is an aspect of the game of dota two, and was an aspect of the game of dota. I do not understand your argument that it is an awkward hold-over from bygone times.

Because its bad game design. It is money sink that forces one player to sack gold to get a must have team item. There is no decision making in the average game of dota, it just one person buys it, normally the person who is most worried no one else will. There is no management except at the highest levels and it minimal impact on the outcome of any given match.


I mean there's consistent management in that its the position 4/5s divvying up 400ish gold worth of support shit that is necessary for the team. Virtually every game I play and have played in the last month had some combination of courier + two obs + possibly 1 sent + two pooled tangos for the midlane. Sure, it can feel like "not a decision" because its happening every game, but it entirely is a decision. Your starting item build as a position 4/5 involves a balance of getting enough regen while getting these highly beneficial support items and sneaking in as much stats or utility as you can otherwise.

Now it's just a different decision because the courier is basically free. That's not a bad thing and I don't object to the change, but calling it a silly hold-over or bad game design just strikes me as stupid garbo.

My argument that is bad game design has to do with the reasons why people buy it in the average game, fear no one else will buy it. The decision isn’t based on resource management, but a desire to have a functional game. I would not advocate that wards should be free, in contrast.


Gotcha. Not what I experience in my games, hence not being able to relate.


im really bad at dota right now and have played a lot of 2.5k-3k games and not one single time in ~100 games in last two months has buying/having a courier been a matter of contention. I mean, its pretty common that no one "wants" to play 5 pos but whoever ends up sucking it up and doing it buys at least cour +1 ward in 99% of games (honestly I don't think its happened even once but im hedging). SOMETIMES no one buys the second obs or a sentry. Thats not that rare. Dunno. But yeah in my pubs (i play 5 roughly 40% of my games) what actually happened was 4 pos had to buy one ward and it made it hard to start boots first. (this happen like every game tbh since i would buy tango/clarity/cour/obs/sentry) And now, in the few games i've played the 5 pos is much more likely to buy all the support items. Anyways, I personally don't mind the change or think its bad, but as long as pubs are a game of "someone having to suck it up and play 5 when no one wants to" then i'm generally a fan of making supports lives more "fun". And having money does make the game more fun. I also don't think it has super negative effects in competitive, I think "in general" that more even gold distribution leads to more active games, less super carries winning game by themselves, and thats generally more interesting dota to watch. It makes it less fun to play 1 pos in theory, but theres no shortage of people wanting to play 1 pos. All my opinion of course. Also, I'm quite certain that a significant factor in this is that if no one else is willing to play 5, I do myself. So my general advice to people who have games without courier/supports, is to just be willing to play 5 yourself some games. Thats coming from someone who's favorite thing to do in the game is afk farm, hit creeps, and pretend to be rtz....

P.S. I don't particularly like playing support, but 1&5 are my highest winrate positions and you definitely appreciate/learn about each from playing the other especially from a laning perspective.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2844 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-17 00:52:07
February 17 2018 00:48 GMT
#186494
Pos5 traditionally is my most comfy role, but its also changed quite a bit. Current meta feels like you have to be a lot more selfish than you used to be because you're expected to get items online sooner as a pos5. I've been running into games where support lions / shadow shamans / CM are farming or taking space to get a 12-15 minute blink dagger so they can more actively do shit around the map.

Not saying that's a bad thing by any means, its just a bit of a disconnect for me on a support playstyle front and has taken some adjusting. For someone who's used to playing a very self-sacrificing puppey/PPD style support, having the "hard 5" role shift more towards what a 4-role used to be is odd.

As always in dota, I'm willing to play any patch out and decide then whether or not I like it, but I get my hackles up a little when elements of complex game systems get waved off as bad game design. Given the argument that people buy couriers at lower levels only because they're scared noone else will and not because they recognize that couriers are pretty goddamn good, then I suppose it makes sense. It's all change, we'll see what becomes of it.

It'd be fun/funny if they had tiered support item costs per badge, like couriers being 50g in the lower ranks, and 125/150/200 in legend/ancient/divine
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 17 2018 01:24 GMT
#186495
andy and i had dinner

he's a qt
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
February 17 2018 01:34 GMT
#186496
On February 17 2018 10:24 eieio wrote:
andy and i had dinner

he's a qt

I hope you took pictures of the food and will share them with us.
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 17 2018 01:42 GMT
#186497
On February 17 2018 10:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2018 10:24 eieio wrote:
andy and i had dinner

he's a qt

I hope you took pictures of the food and will share them with us.

we just got indian. We're going to a fancy dinner in paris, I'll* take pictures of that

* my gf, and probably andy, will take the pictures actually
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-17 02:36:59
February 17 2018 02:36 GMT
#186498
(spoilers for col vs eg)


lollll
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-17 03:51:01
February 17 2018 03:11 GMT
#186499
Never mind I misheard.

How many games of PUBG should I play before I'll know if I like it? So far, it's a game that's more fun to play than to watch. That's no reflection on Comeh's stream (the only PUBG I've ever seen), time just passes more quickly when I'm doing stuff. First game ended, I was 17/93, didn't fire a single shot at someone.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
February 17 2018 03:22 GMT
#186500
On February 17 2018 11:36 Nevuk wrote:
(spoilers for col vs eg)
https://clips.twitch.tv/BombasticVictoriousElephantPartyTime

lollll


On January 25 2018 15:46 tehh4ck3r wrote:
imagine having the most talented dota player in the world and putting him offlane so you can play with arteezy instead

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