Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion - Page 586
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7084 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
On February 24 2015 08:51 crms wrote: did you not read the article the graph came from? It's basically replicating a study done 10+ years ago. It's using the MOE (margin of exposure) to show how much of X you'd have to consume for it to be TOXIC/lethal to your body in a single dose (i think this study was single dose, I read the article this morning and cant remember for shit). Here is a high upboat le redditor explanation in the thread for that article: + Show Spoiler + Seriously though, it's EXTREMELY important to keep in mind what this graph is representing. This is basically "risk of overdose" chart. Ratio between Toxic dose vs. average intake. So something like alcohol, you only need to consume 2-4x as much as a "normal" dose to be at risk of serious health concerns. Meanwhile something like 15x meth consumption compared to normal is required for a toxic dose, while it is virtually impossible to overdose on Marijuana. It is interesting to note how low the relative toxic doses of two of the most common legal substances are (tobacco and alcohol). I didn't even realize Nicotine Poisoning was a thing. This in no way takes into account any sort of other consequences of drug use. Side effects, addiction rates, injury due to consumption (drunk driving) and countless other factors are being ignored, as that is not what this test is about. Meth may be only a moderate risk of overdose, but there are also a large number of other health issues, long and short term, that must also be considered. TLDR: This chart is all about how much it takes to overdose. You may not overdose on meth, but it can still fuck you up long and short term. and here is what MOE is (Margin of Exposure) + Show Spoiler + The MOE is a tool used by risk assessors to consider possible safety concerns arising from the presence in food and feed of substances which are both genotoxic (that is, which may damage DNA, the genetic material of cells) and carcinogenic. The MOE is a ratio of two factors which assesses for a given population the dose at which a small but measurable adverse effect is first observed and the level of exposure to the substance considered. Risk assessors at EFSA use the MOE approach to consider possible safety concerns arising from the presence in food and feed of substances which are both genotoxic and carcinogenic. The presence of substances which are both genotoxic and carcinogenic in food and feed, while not desirable, could result from environmental pollution or manufacturing processes. The MOE is not used to assess the safety of regulated substances deliberately added to the food chain (for instance food and feed additives or food contact materials). However, EFSA’s Scientific Committee advised in a statement published in March 2012 that it could be useful in assessing the safety of any genotoxic and carcinogenic impurities present in such substances at very low levels. Use of the MOE can in this way help support risk managers in defining possible actions required to keep exposure to such substances as low as possible. EFSA’s Scientific Committee published a first opinion in October 2005 recommending the use of the MOE approach for the safety assessment of contaminants that are both genotoxic and carcinogenic. honestly i was confused about what the ratio was. i clicked on the article expecting it to be a click bait op ed and got legitimate data that i didn't feel like reading. i wish the subtitle was clearer. plus i thought you guys might find it interesting why ursa is clearly 150x better than alcohol consumption. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
![]() make sure to click the graph for easily the best part. oh also this is dota related because it has that razor line SORRY | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On February 24 2015 09:39 ahswtini wrote: Ursa literally the alcohol of trench pubs what does that even mean | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
read my above post. in other news, i have grown to hate this patch. it is actually impossible to win with shitty allies. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
also fuck ya chipotle burritos I haven't had one in so long but goddamn they are good | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
because a second tortilla sounds nice in the abstract but I don't like it when they mess up my burrito | ||
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goody153
44284 Posts
![]() this guys man rofl (team leviathan making a pun when ee played qop with 4k's) | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32754 Posts
On February 24 2015 08:54 icystorage wrote: This graph is way better ![]() Definitely no influence from Nvidia there folks. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 24 2015 10:13 BluemoonSC wrote: read my above post. in other news, i have grown to hate this patch. it is actually impossible to win with shitty allies. the key is to strategically feed if you have bad allies. lure your enemies into a false sense of complacency. Then lose most of the time. It's not really a fully developed plan, but I'm working on it. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On February 24 2015 11:45 goody153 wrote: ![]() this guys man rofl (team leviathan making a pun when ee played qop with 4k's) for reference: http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1424639045718.webm playing with EE must be so fun | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
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