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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
February 23 2015 23:59 GMT
#11701
dude that gtx is like 3x faster, so gud
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
February 24 2015 00:00 GMT
#11702
i cant even think of a good graph joke
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-24 00:06:49
February 24 2015 00:05 GMT
#11703
On February 24 2015 08:51 crms wrote:
did you not read the article the graph came from? It's basically replicating a study done 10+ years ago. It's using the MOE (margin of exposure) to show how much of X you'd have to consume for it to be TOXIC/lethal to your body in a single dose (i think this study was single dose, I read the article this morning and cant remember for shit).

Here is a high upboat le redditor explanation in the thread for that article:

+ Show Spoiler +
Seriously though, it's EXTREMELY important to keep in mind what this graph is representing. This is basically "risk of overdose" chart. Ratio between Toxic dose vs. average intake. So something like alcohol, you only need to consume 2-4x as much as a "normal" dose to be at risk of serious health concerns. Meanwhile something like 15x meth consumption compared to normal is required for a toxic dose, while it is virtually impossible to overdose on Marijuana. It is interesting to note how low the relative toxic doses of two of the most common legal substances are (tobacco and alcohol). I didn't even realize Nicotine Poisoning was a thing.
This in no way takes into account any sort of other consequences of drug use. Side effects, addiction rates, injury due to consumption (drunk driving) and countless other factors are being ignored, as that is not what this test is about. Meth may be only a moderate risk of overdose, but there are also a large number of other health issues, long and short term, that must also be considered.
TLDR: This chart is all about how much it takes to overdose. You may not overdose on meth, but it can still fuck you up long and short term.


and here is what MOE is (Margin of Exposure)

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The MOE is a tool used by risk assessors to consider possible safety concerns arising from the presence in food and feed of substances which are both genotoxic (that is, which may damage DNA, the genetic material of cells) and carcinogenic. The MOE is a ratio of two factors which assesses for a given population the dose at which a small but measurable adverse effect is first observed and the level of exposure to the substance considered.

Risk assessors at EFSA use the MOE approach to consider possible safety concerns arising from the presence in food and feed of substances which are both genotoxic and carcinogenic. The presence of substances which are both genotoxic and carcinogenic in food and feed, while not desirable, could result from environmental pollution or manufacturing processes.

The MOE is not used to assess the safety of regulated substances deliberately added to the food chain (for instance food and feed additives or food contact materials). However, EFSA’s Scientific Committee advised in a statement published in March 2012 that it could be useful in assessing the safety of any genotoxic and carcinogenic impurities present in such substances at very low levels. Use of the MOE can in this way help support risk managers in defining possible actions required to keep exposure to such substances as low as possible.

EFSA’s Scientific Committee published a first opinion in October 2005 recommending the use of the MOE approach for the safety assessment of contaminants that are both genotoxic and carcinogenic.


honestly i was confused about what the ratio was. i clicked on the article expecting it to be a click bait op ed and got legitimate data that i didn't feel like reading. i wish the subtitle was clearer.

plus i thought you guys might find it interesting why ursa is clearly 150x better than alcohol consumption.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
February 24 2015 00:06 GMT
#11704
It seems it's not that hard to overdose on nicotine actually. As long as you are ingesting it instead of smoking. Or messing around with the plant.
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
February 24 2015 00:07 GMT
#11705
It's okay,I did 3 Meths today, but according our new resident graph lord that's about as bad as a beer.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2015 00:12 GMT
#11706
Eh, those graphics cards cost to much. But I need one for the Witcher 3. Or maybe I'll just say fuck it and get a PS4 because I already play enough games in my PC room.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-24 00:16:03
February 24 2015 00:15 GMT
#11707
I mean if we're linking graphs I guess I'll just stick with XKCD..

&#91;image loading&#93;

make sure to click the graph for easily the best part.

oh also this is dota related because it has that razor line SORRY
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2015 00:37 GMT
#11708
How many times is JD going to say misplay? Seriously, I am all for pointing out mistakes, but I can see why players getting annoyed by casters.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
February 24 2015 00:39 GMT
#11709
Ursa literally the alcohol of trench pubs
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 24 2015 00:50 GMT
#11710
On February 24 2015 09:39 ahswtini wrote:
Ursa literally the alcohol of trench pubs

what does that even mean
LiquidDota Staff
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 24 2015 01:13 GMT
#11711
On February 24 2015 09:50 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 09:39 ahswtini wrote:
Ursa literally the alcohol of trench pubs

what does that even mean


read my above post.

in other news, i have grown to hate this patch. it is actually impossible to win with shitty allies.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
February 24 2015 01:45 GMT
#11712
i still dont get it
© Current year.
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-24 01:57:31
February 24 2015 01:56 GMT
#11713
ya I don't get the joke at all lol

also fuck ya chipotle burritos I haven't had one in so long but goddamn they are good
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 24 2015 02:32 GMT
#11714
i complained about my burrito getting wrapped in two tortillas at chipotle so they gave me a voucher for a free burrito once
High Risk Low Reward
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 24 2015 02:35 GMT
#11715
did they do the thing where they fucked up the first tortilla and then brought in a second tortilla to patch over it like they were repairing a fucking flat on the side of the road instead of just making you a new burrito like the civilized people that we in america are

because a second tortilla sounds nice in the abstract but I don't like it when they mess up my burrito
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44284 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-24 02:46:14
February 24 2015 02:45 GMT
#11716
[image loading]

this guys man rofl (team leviathan making a pun when ee played qop with 4k's)
this is a quote
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
February 24 2015 02:52 GMT
#11717
On February 24 2015 08:54 icystorage wrote:
This graph is way better

[image loading]

Definitely no influence from Nvidia there folks.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 24 2015 02:55 GMT
#11718
On February 24 2015 10:13 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 09:50 eieio wrote:
On February 24 2015 09:39 ahswtini wrote:
Ursa literally the alcohol of trench pubs

what does that even mean


read my above post.

in other news, i have grown to hate this patch. it is actually impossible to win with shitty allies.

the key is to strategically feed if you have bad allies. lure your enemies into a false sense of complacency. Then lose most of the time. It's not really a fully developed plan, but I'm working on it.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
February 24 2015 03:01 GMT
#11719
On February 24 2015 11:45 goody153 wrote:
[image loading]

this guys man rofl (team leviathan making a pun when ee played qop with 4k's)

for reference:

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1424639045718.webm
playing with EE must be so fun
© Current year.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
February 24 2015 03:10 GMT
#11720
If by that you mean absolute torture, yes.
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