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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 23 2015 22:08 GMT
#11681
maybe in the sense that you can win more money?

im not sure its any better or worse, really.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 23 2015 22:12 GMT
#11682
Lottery tickets are pretty bad and worst when you consider they are specifically designed to pray on the poor and uneducated.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 22:16:43
February 23 2015 22:13 GMT
#11683
For most people it costs little money and little effort. It's also fairly obvious how hard it is to win. Of course there is always the idiot that spends money they dont have on stuff like that, but if you have fun with it it's not the most harmful thing in the world. Most people aren't going to starve if they spend 5 bucks a month on a silly little game.

I would say casinos are far worse at tricking people into spending money they shouldn't, and slots are the dumbest part in it. Unless they look like this:

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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28101 Posts
February 23 2015 22:39 GMT
#11684
My parents buy a lottery ticket about once a year. Just a little bit of fun and no harm done. They also do really well so it's not like spending money on something like that would hurt them. Makes me sick seeing people who make minimum wage or whatever and buy that shit weekly.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 22:41:03
February 23 2015 22:40 GMT
#11685
$5 for lotto tickets seems as bad as spending $5 at the nickel slots to me /shrug

e: emu, personally i'll spend $10 when the pot gets really big bc you never know..i have relatives who drop anywhere between $20-$50 a week into it...thats a bill that could be paid.
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 22:49:21
February 23 2015 22:48 GMT
#11686
On February 24 2015 06:40 CorsairHero wrote:
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On February 24 2015 06:19 andyrau wrote:
On February 24 2015 06:01 CorsairHero wrote:
On February 24 2015 04:44 andyrau wrote:
i don't know what to do with my tax refund

the smart thing to do would be to invest it in an ETF

or buy stuff and post it in fashion thread

think I could prob buy a couple of my grails with it something silly called fiscal responsibility is bothering me

are your tax sheltered accounts maxed?
401k/ira/roth shit or something

not maxed but i like the advantages of having liquidity.
like you said smartest thing to do would be to put it into a large cap etf

On February 24 2015 07:12 Plansix wrote:
Lottery tickets are pretty bad and worst when you consider they are specifically designed to pray on the poor and uneducated.

technically the lottery system in america gives a generous portion of the proceeds to the education system which is always the first thing to get budget cuts but one of the best long-term investments in a society
thats something i can get behind cause god knows there are a lot of clueless people that could benefit from more education
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
February 23 2015 22:49 GMT
#11687
oh look graphs
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making money long term isn't hard and not investing is part of the wealth inequality problem.
Most people don't have the discipline to follow through with it though
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
February 23 2015 22:49 GMT
#11688
who CARES its canada.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
February 23 2015 22:54 GMT
#11689
On February 24 2015 07:49 Shaella wrote:
who CARES its canada.

just 4 u

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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 23 2015 22:55 GMT
#11690
On February 24 2015 07:49 Shaella wrote:
who CARES its canada.

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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28101 Posts
February 23 2015 22:56 GMT
#11691
TIL Canada is real life.
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 23 2015 22:56 GMT
#11692
you're welcome
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
February 23 2015 22:59 GMT
#11693
Here's pretty much all you need to know about the lottery:
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
February 23 2015 23:20 GMT
#11694
damn why is john oliver so good
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
February 23 2015 23:21 GMT
#11695
That video kinda goes on why I said slots are worse than lottery tickets. It's way more addicting and people end up spending a lot more money. The instant satisfaction and the fact you can actually win sometimes even if you always lose in the long run are a big deal.

It's a bit absurd that some places in the US would consider them closer to lotteries than casino style gambling.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 23 2015 23:46 GMT
#11696
can anyone make sense of this graph [serious replies only]

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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 23:57:11
February 23 2015 23:51 GMT
#11697
did you not read the article the graph came from? It's basically replicating a study done 10+ years ago. It's using the MOE (margin of exposure) to show how much of X you'd have to consume for it to be TOXIC/lethal to your body in a single dose (i think this study was single dose, I read the article this morning and cant remember for shit).

Here is a high upboat le redditor explanation in the thread for that article:

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Seriously though, it's EXTREMELY important to keep in mind what this graph is representing. This is basically "risk of overdose" chart. Ratio between Toxic dose vs. average intake. So something like alcohol, you only need to consume 2-4x as much as a "normal" dose to be at risk of serious health concerns. Meanwhile something like 15x meth consumption compared to normal is required for a toxic dose, while it is virtually impossible to overdose on Marijuana. It is interesting to note how low the relative toxic doses of two of the most common legal substances are (tobacco and alcohol). I didn't even realize Nicotine Poisoning was a thing.
This in no way takes into account any sort of other consequences of drug use. Side effects, addiction rates, injury due to consumption (drunk driving) and countless other factors are being ignored, as that is not what this test is about. Meth may be only a moderate risk of overdose, but there are also a large number of other health issues, long and short term, that must also be considered.
TLDR: This chart is all about how much it takes to overdose. You may not overdose on meth, but it can still fuck you up long and short term.


and here is what MOE is (Margin of Exposure)

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The MOE is a tool used by risk assessors to consider possible safety concerns arising from the presence in food and feed of substances which are both genotoxic (that is, which may damage DNA, the genetic material of cells) and carcinogenic. The MOE is a ratio of two factors which assesses for a given population the dose at which a small but measurable adverse effect is first observed and the level of exposure to the substance considered.

Risk assessors at EFSA use the MOE approach to consider possible safety concerns arising from the presence in food and feed of substances which are both genotoxic and carcinogenic. The presence of substances which are both genotoxic and carcinogenic in food and feed, while not desirable, could result from environmental pollution or manufacturing processes.

The MOE is not used to assess the safety of regulated substances deliberately added to the food chain (for instance food and feed additives or food contact materials). However, EFSA’s Scientific Committee advised in a statement published in March 2012 that it could be useful in assessing the safety of any genotoxic and carcinogenic impurities present in such substances at very low levels. Use of the MOE can in this way help support risk managers in defining possible actions required to keep exposure to such substances as low as possible.

EFSA’s Scientific Committee published a first opinion in October 2005 recommending the use of the MOE approach for the safety assessment of contaminants that are both genotoxic and carcinogenic.
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 23 2015 23:53 GMT
#11698
nice ive been mislead by government advertising my entire life
wheres my tinfoil hat
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 23 2015 23:53 GMT
#11699
it clearly states ursa is op are u blind
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
February 23 2015 23:54 GMT
#11700
This graph is way better

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