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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 15:26:52
July 07 2015 15:26 GMT
#50521
On July 08 2015 00:20 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:13 eieio wrote:
On July 07 2015 23:31 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2015 23:29 teddyoojo wrote:
real rng thats the problem which means ur either an awesome spirit breaker player or ur garbage

I though all RNG in the game used Valve magic RNG that isn't really RNG. Did this change?

bashes with cooldowns use real RNG not PRD

so spacecow bash, entangle, basher/abyssal

Hm, I didn't know skull basher.

Interesting - I suppose its there because you would be hitting and not bashing during cooldown, which would increase proc chance for instant proc when it was off cooldown?

That's the mentality behind it i assume?

that was my original thought but iirc yango thinks it's a dota 1 engine relic or something? Like 0-cooldown bashes are using the builtin WC3 bash, which uses PRD. Whereas customized bashes/entangles/whatevers with cooldown can't use PRD.

I dunno I probably have this wrong
LiquidDota Staff
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 15:28:01
July 07 2015 15:27 GMT
#50522
On July 08 2015 00:26 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
wow i didnt think you guys would actually bite on that one

get rekt

(i understand the difference between the two, dazzle's shadow wave vs something like qop's scream)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


spell dmg as a concept doesnt exist. ur either immune to spells or ur not. it has nothing to do with the type of dmg u take from that spell.

this is also why some ppl found it so difficult to wrap their heads around octarine. they thought it only worked on magic dmg. no dumbass, theres a reason it says spell dmg and not magic dmg

Actually, spell damage as a concept DOES exist now thanks to Octarine Core.

On July 08 2015 00:26 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:20 Comeh wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:13 eieio wrote:
On July 07 2015 23:31 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2015 23:29 teddyoojo wrote:
real rng thats the problem which means ur either an awesome spirit breaker player or ur garbage

I though all RNG in the game used Valve magic RNG that isn't really RNG. Did this change?

bashes with cooldowns use real RNG not PRD

so spacecow bash, entangle, basher/abyssal

Hm, I didn't know skull basher.

Interesting - I suppose its there because you would be hitting and not bashing during cooldown, which would increase proc chance for instant proc when it was off cooldown?

That's the mentality behind it i assume?

that was my original thought but iirc yango thinks it's a dota 1 engine relic or something? Like 0-cooldown bashes are using the builtin WC3 bash, which uses PRD. Whereas customized bashes/entangles/whatevers with cooldown can't use PRD.

I dunno I probably have this wrong
IF for some reason decided to keep them in dota2, so idk if that will ever change or whatever though. Like they could have removed it, but didn't - i'd guess my reasoning is why.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 07 2015 15:27 GMT
#50523
there was also some bullshit about illusions and bashes. something about illusions cant bash, but they can proc a fake bash. and if they fake bash during a real bash, it extends the duration of that real bash. conversely, if a real bash procs during a fake bash, no bash occurs
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 15:29:07
July 07 2015 15:29 GMT
#50524
On July 08 2015 00:27 ahswtini wrote:
there was also some bullshit about illusions and bashes. something about illusions cant bash, but they can proc a fake bash. and if they fake bash during a real bash, it extends the duration of that real bash. conversely, if a real bash procs during a fake bash, no bash occurs

Pretty sure that was a WC3 thing, not a dota2 thing. One of the reasons why manta was beyond awful on voice (still not good, but it was literally worse than not having it)
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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 15:31:37
July 07 2015 15:31 GMT
#50525
On July 08 2015 00:26 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
wow i didnt think you guys would actually bite on that one

get rekt

(i understand the difference between the two, dazzle's shadow wave vs something like qop's scream)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


spell dmg as a concept doesnt exist. ur either immune to spells or ur not. it has nothing to do with the type of dmg u take from that spell.

this is also why some ppl found it so difficult to wrap their heads around octarine. they thought it only worked on magic dmg. no dumbass, theres a reason it says spell dmg and not magic dmg

ppl havent played enough guild wars to learn mechanics of spells in games much
also in wc3 editor everything is so clear for spell targetting.
these discussions trigger me so much. any curious 10 year old like i was cud find out how it works
http://puu.sh/iQprQ/e930f3c4a7.png
OMG GUYS HOW DOES DK'S FIRE BREATH WORK ON SIEGE UNITS?!
maybe bcoz the mechanical box for it is ticked u dumbfuck
BUT ITS MAGIC DMG??!
*commits sudoko*
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 15:32:56
July 07 2015 15:31 GMT
#50526
On July 08 2015 00:26 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
wow i didnt think you guys would actually bite on that one

get rekt

(i understand the difference between the two, dazzle's shadow wave vs something like qop's scream)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


spell dmg as a concept doesnt exist. ur either immune to spells or ur not. it has nothing to do with the type of dmg u take from that spell.

this is also why some ppl found it so difficult to wrap their heads around octarine. they thought it only worked on magic dmg. no dumbass, theres a reason it says spell dmg and not magic dmg


i mean there's actually no way i can prove to you other than saying "look at my usage of the word 'duh'" that i understand the difference between the two and simply wrote "spell damage" quickly without thinking and went with it.

so, okay.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 07 2015 15:32 GMT
#50527
noone here played enough guildwars kthx
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 07 2015 15:32 GMT
#50528
On July 08 2015 00:31 ChunderBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:26 ahswtini wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
wow i didnt think you guys would actually bite on that one

get rekt

(i understand the difference between the two, dazzle's shadow wave vs something like qop's scream)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


spell dmg as a concept doesnt exist. ur either immune to spells or ur not. it has nothing to do with the type of dmg u take from that spell.

this is also why some ppl found it so difficult to wrap their heads around octarine. they thought it only worked on magic dmg. no dumbass, theres a reason it says spell dmg and not magic dmg

ppl havent played enough guild wars to learn mechanics of spells in games much
also in wc3 editor everything is so clear for spell targetting.
these discussions trigger me so much. any curious 10 year old like i was cud find out how it works
http://puu.sh/iQprQ/e930f3c4a7.png
OMG GUYS HOW DOES DK'S FIRE BREATH WORK ON SIEGE UNITS?!
maybe bcoz the mechanical box for it is ticked u dumbfuck
BUT ITS MAGIC DMG??!
*commits sudoko*

the better question for most of silly mechanical discussions is

"Why?"
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 07 2015 15:33 GMT
#50529
The answer to almost every question is 'It depends.'
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 07 2015 15:33 GMT
#50530
On July 08 2015 00:31 ChunderBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:26 ahswtini wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
wow i didnt think you guys would actually bite on that one

get rekt

(i understand the difference between the two, dazzle's shadow wave vs something like qop's scream)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


spell dmg as a concept doesnt exist. ur either immune to spells or ur not. it has nothing to do with the type of dmg u take from that spell.

this is also why some ppl found it so difficult to wrap their heads around octarine. they thought it only worked on magic dmg. no dumbass, theres a reason it says spell dmg and not magic dmg

ppl havent played enough guild wars to learn mechanics of spells in games much
also in wc3 editor everything is so clear for spell targetting.
these discussions trigger me so much. any curious 10 year old like i was cud find out how it works
http://puu.sh/iQprQ/e930f3c4a7.png
OMG GUYS HOW DOES DK'S FIRE BREATH WORK ON SIEGE UNITS?!
maybe bcoz the mechanical box for it is ticked u dumbfuck
BUT ITS MAGIC DMG??!
*commits sudoko*

dragonfire melts catapult wood
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
July 07 2015 15:33 GMT
#50531
Only koreans played enough GW thats why they da best.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 07 2015 15:34 GMT
#50532
koreans were only good first 2 years then they went extinct
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2015 15:34 GMT
#50533
On July 08 2015 00:23 ChunderBoy wrote:
lets play gvg guys. im sure ew can get 8 ppl somehow

Do not distract them from Endless Legend. Its the only way we will get multiplayer sessions of that awesome game.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 07 2015 15:34 GMT
#50534
On July 08 2015 00:33 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:31 ChunderBoy wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:26 ahswtini wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
wow i didnt think you guys would actually bite on that one

get rekt

(i understand the difference between the two, dazzle's shadow wave vs something like qop's scream)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


spell dmg as a concept doesnt exist. ur either immune to spells or ur not. it has nothing to do with the type of dmg u take from that spell.

this is also why some ppl found it so difficult to wrap their heads around octarine. they thought it only worked on magic dmg. no dumbass, theres a reason it says spell dmg and not magic dmg

ppl havent played enough guild wars to learn mechanics of spells in games much
also in wc3 editor everything is so clear for spell targetting.
these discussions trigger me so much. any curious 10 year old like i was cud find out how it works
http://puu.sh/iQprQ/e930f3c4a7.png
OMG GUYS HOW DOES DK'S FIRE BREATH WORK ON SIEGE UNITS?!
maybe bcoz the mechanical box for it is ticked u dumbfuck
BUT ITS MAGIC DMG??!
*commits sudoko*

dragonfire melts catapult wood

I stlil think dota should operate under pokemon rules pretty sure DK should be burning buildings down and shit wtf
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 15:35:14
July 07 2015 15:35 GMT
#50535
that's the only time i played GW and if that's true then GW was probably shit later on anyway

masterrace korea always win, go MVP
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
July 07 2015 15:35 GMT
#50536
On July 08 2015 00:32 teddyoojo wrote:
noone here played enough guildwars kthx

do u know ur signets from ur spells from ur skills from ur touch skills from ur touch spells from ur mantras from ur stances from ur attack skills from ur chants from ur shouts from ur glyphs from ur nature rituals from ur ...
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
July 07 2015 15:35 GMT
#50537
On July 08 2015 00:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:23 ChunderBoy wrote:
lets play gvg guys. im sure ew can get 8 ppl somehow

Do not distract them from Endless Legend. Its the only way we will get multiplayer sessions of that awesome game.

there is some guy that wants to play it with me. hooray i found a guy
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 07 2015 15:36 GMT
#50538
On July 08 2015 00:34 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:33 ahswtini wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:31 ChunderBoy wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:26 ahswtini wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
wow i didnt think you guys would actually bite on that one

get rekt

(i understand the difference between the two, dazzle's shadow wave vs something like qop's scream)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


spell dmg as a concept doesnt exist. ur either immune to spells or ur not. it has nothing to do with the type of dmg u take from that spell.

this is also why some ppl found it so difficult to wrap their heads around octarine. they thought it only worked on magic dmg. no dumbass, theres a reason it says spell dmg and not magic dmg

ppl havent played enough guild wars to learn mechanics of spells in games much
also in wc3 editor everything is so clear for spell targetting.
these discussions trigger me so much. any curious 10 year old like i was cud find out how it works
http://puu.sh/iQprQ/e930f3c4a7.png
OMG GUYS HOW DOES DK'S FIRE BREATH WORK ON SIEGE UNITS?!
maybe bcoz the mechanical box for it is ticked u dumbfuck
BUT ITS MAGIC DMG??!
*commits sudoko*

dragonfire melts catapult wood

I stlil think dota should operate under pokemon rules pretty sure DK should be burning buildings down and shit wtf

how would u classify am? fighting type??? then he gets owned by the psychic mage types
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 07 2015 15:37 GMT
#50539
On July 08 2015 00:36 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:34 Comeh wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:33 ahswtini wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:31 ChunderBoy wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:26 ahswtini wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
wow i didnt think you guys would actually bite on that one

get rekt

(i understand the difference between the two, dazzle's shadow wave vs something like qop's scream)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


spell dmg as a concept doesnt exist. ur either immune to spells or ur not. it has nothing to do with the type of dmg u take from that spell.

this is also why some ppl found it so difficult to wrap their heads around octarine. they thought it only worked on magic dmg. no dumbass, theres a reason it says spell dmg and not magic dmg

ppl havent played enough guild wars to learn mechanics of spells in games much
also in wc3 editor everything is so clear for spell targetting.
these discussions trigger me so much. any curious 10 year old like i was cud find out how it works
http://puu.sh/iQprQ/e930f3c4a7.png
OMG GUYS HOW DOES DK'S FIRE BREATH WORK ON SIEGE UNITS?!
maybe bcoz the mechanical box for it is ticked u dumbfuck
BUT ITS MAGIC DMG??!
*commits sudoko*

dragonfire melts catapult wood

I stlil think dota should operate under pokemon rules pretty sure DK should be burning buildings down and shit wtf

how would u classify am? fighting type??? then he gets owned by the psychic mage types

AM probably fighting / psychic.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
July 07 2015 15:38 GMT
#50540
AM is clearly fighting/dark
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
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