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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:14 teddyoojo wrote: https://soundcloud.com/dota-today/episode-17-aui_2000 FUCK NOT EVEN AT THAT I CAN WIN https://www.idlethumbs.net/dotatoday Here, it might play off their offical site. And before people freak out, both of the interviewers are not dota community legends. They are Idle Thumbs folks who love Dota and work in the game reporting/development industry. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On March 25 2015 04:52 Plansix wrote: Totally agree. BW 2.0 plus skins might have made the hardcore BW fans happy, but would have been a commercial nightmare. SC2 didn’t sell that much and people still think of it as a hard game. If they had made it with 12 unit selection and all the other BW bullshit, it might have never taken off like it did. I feel that's a strawman though. There's definitely an argument to be made that they could have kept the core BW mechanics alive while modernizing, along with graphics and such, the UI. DOTA 2 is the embodiment of the original DOTA but you're not forced to use legacy keys or anything. It's a modern game that was smart enough to keep all the bits of the original that were good enough not to be replaced. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:15 BluemoonSC wrote: oh jesus an hour long...maybe ill listen to it while I drive to the dr, thanks. im interested to hear what he has to say about the comeback mechanic. shrekt Mostly that its a little to high right now and that supports should get more gold of the gold when they help with a gank and their team is ahead. Its a good interview and hes a smart dude and I'm only half way through it. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:19 hariooo wrote: I feel that's a strawman though. There's definitely an argument to be made that they could have kept the core BW mechanics alive while modernizing, along with graphics and such, the UI. DOTA 2 is the embodiment of the original DOTA but you're not forced to use legacy keys or anything. It's a modern game that was smart enough to keep all the bits of the original that were good enough not to be replaced. Well, take 1.6 vs csgo as an example. Most 1.6 hardcores are okay with csgo - almost every pro prefers 1.6, but csgo is good enough where they will play it in its stead. (and there is definitely some nice things about go that 1.6 doesn't have) | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7084 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:19 hariooo wrote: I feel that's a strawman though. There's definitely an argument to be made that they could have kept the core BW mechanics alive while modernizing, along with graphics and such, the UI. DOTA 2 is the embodiment of the original DOTA but you're not forced to use legacy keys or anything. It's a modern game that was smart enough to keep all the bits of the original that were good enough not to be replaced. CS 1.6 vs CSGO is a much better comparison for BW vs SC2 than Dota vs Dota 2 welp comeh beat me to that one | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:20 Plansix wrote: Mostly that its a little to high right now and that supports should get more gold of the gold when they help with a gank and their team is ahead. Its a good interview and hes a smart dude and I'm only half way through it. at least im not alone feeling like this. can't wait to listen. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:19 hariooo wrote: I feel that's a strawman though. There's definitely an argument to be made that they could have kept the core BW mechanics alive while modernizing, along with graphics and such, the UI. DOTA 2 is the embodiment of the original DOTA but you're not forced to use legacy keys or anything. It's a modern game that was smart enough to keep all the bits of the original that were good enough not to be replaced. I agree, but I am not sure that RTS has that ability to compete. People really struggle just to control units and not make them derp around(new players). Dota and CSGO are more accessible from a basic control standpoint. I don't think any RTS, even a perfect one, is going to be as popular as a game where you only control one thing(or maybe a couple things if your crazy and like chen/meepo). SC2 could have been better for sure, but I am not sure that just making it like BW(or what parts of BW) would have improved it. Beyond the more needing more bases thing, which I did agree with . | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
also anyone remember mbs arguments lolol | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32754 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
#superiority | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
As a spectator, there's something to be said when you have a ridiculously high skill cieling where even the best players can't do it perfectly. It always makes it more special when a player DOES execute it well and is performing at the highest level, as compared to sc2 where its almost always being performed at a really high level. | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:22 tehh4ck3r wrote: CS 1.6 vs CSGO is a much better comparison for BW vs SC2 than Dota vs Dota 2 welp comeh beat me to that one cs 1.6 was way bigger in the west than bw ever was. What's sad is that sc2 is/was such ass that it didn't even catch hold in Korea and blizz actively antagonizing what Koreans did with bw. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:25 PhoenixVoid wrote: Beyond a hardcore fanbase most people call StarCraft a clickfest requiring no skill or strategy and generally dislike it because they want slower paced base builders where you can NR20 and watch giant armies fight each other. It's fine, most of those people would still have fun playing custom games. Oh wait... | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:19 hariooo wrote: DOTA 2 is the embodiment of the original DOTA but you're not forced to use legacy keys or anything. It's a modern game that was smart enough to keep all the bits of the original that were good enough not to be replaced. Also, in cases where the mechanics are too archaic to be kept but also too intricately tied to the balance/design of the game to be taken out in one go (hi orb mechanics), Valve is smart enough to wean people off of them slowly over many versions of the game, rather than just outright removing them. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32754 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:29 ahswtini wrote: although i never really followed sc2 very much, am i right in saying jaedong in sc2 doesnt compare at all to jaedong in broodwar? During Jaedong's BW career he was consistently the best Zerg of his time and won tournaments. In SC2 Jaedong doesn't stand out too much and got mostly second places, which has tapered off lately. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:26 Comeh wrote: I still stand behind the idea that having gimped macro in sc2 hurt the competitive viability of the game. As a spectator, there's something to be said when you have a ridiculously high skill cieling where even the best players can't do it perfectly. It always makes it more special when a player DOES execute it well and is performing at the highest level, as compared to sc2 where its almost always being performed at a really high level. I am not really sure that would have made SC2 any bigger. It would have made few people play the multiplayer however. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:31 TheYango wrote: Also, in cases where the mechanics are too archaic to be kept but also too intricately tied to the balance/design of the game to be taken out in one go (hi orb mechanics), Valve is smart enough to wean people off of them slowly over many versions of the game, rather than just outright removing them. or just fuck up their game colossally with damage types u know | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:32 Sn0_Man wrote: or just fuck up their game colossally with damage types u know Are you referring to SC2 or the recent DOTA2 simplifications? | ||
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