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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
I was talking about developing to the tournament, to what works and not, im not talking about no scrimming.or something as the like. Anyway, my point is that there's 0 reason to have seeded teams, i was just joking saying they indeed suck, of course they dont, but the format doesnt help them, at all. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
Rumors said VP won nearly all of their scrims, but they certainly can't be happy about not winning any of their official matches. Vice versa we've seen interviews where teams say they lost all their scrims but win an official match and gain confidence to do well in a group stage. I think Valve has gotten enough feedback to know it's not a good format to run. | ||
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
why bother mentioning scrims in an interview if its not an outlier result? why bother remembering said interview if its not an outlier result? etc. etc. etc. the entire notion being spread here seems ultra stupid theres nothing magical about matches vs scrims theres more nerves, and some teams might bring out a few picks/ideas that theyd have tried to prepare/hide before, but theyre literally still playing 24/7 leading up their match whether they had matches prior or not i dont think theres anything u can add to ur argument that wont make it sound stupid | ||
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
On June 11 2021 10:40 harodihg wrote: i really really really doubt that theyre not playing 4-6 scrims a day (at least) right now the same as the other teams at the major unless theres some insider info u have that theyre actually not scrimming in which case yeah id agree thats why they sux IDK how it was this time. Last major teams had to arrive 48h before their first game. Which means teams like VP could not scrim the people in the tournament. IMO this format is bad because it seeds teams like VP and Alliance directly into TI while they havent won anything at an actual LAN. This will most likely diminish the quality of games at TI. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 11 2021 14:06 harodihg wrote: seems like its just confirmation bias that makes u bring up the "we lost all our scrims but we won now we win TI" schtick why bother mentioning scrims in an interview if its not an outlier result? why bother remembering said interview if its not an outlier result? etc. etc. etc. the entire notion being spread here seems ultra stupid theres nothing magical about matches vs scrims theres more nerves, and some teams might bring out a few picks/ideas that theyd have tried to prepare/hide before, but theyre literally still playing 24/7 leading up their match whether they had matches prior or not i dont think theres anything u can add to ur argument that wont make it sound stupid So you admit there's differences between matches vs scrims, and then conclude there's no difference between matches and scrims? I just can't agree with the opinion that nerves don't matter to every team. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Im betting the mental side of things of lacking the experience of playing in the tournament, which could lead to a more relaxed state instead of the strees that means this being your first match and all that means with it its exactly the reason why these teams came and went like its nothing. But anyway, pointless argument that leads nowhere and i'm not in my best days personally so maybe im not thinking straight and i could be extrapolating data from not enough sample, honestly, i dont care. i apologize | ||
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
On June 11 2021 19:38 Slomo wrote: IDK how it was this time. Last major teams had to arrive 48h before their first game. Which means teams like VP could not scrim the people in the tournament. IMO this format is bad because it seeds teams like VP and Alliance directly into TI while they havent won anything at an actual LAN. This will most likely diminish the quality of games at TI. ya the format of having teams seed directly into upper bracket based on local results seems really dumb | ||
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
On June 11 2021 20:02 rabidch wrote: So you admit there's differences between matches vs scrims, and then conclude there's no difference between matches and scrims? I just can't agree with the opinion that nerves don't matter to every team. you can nitpick differences between literally anything and u could use the same logic to try and say red cars are faster than blue cars or some shit like that. teams arent gaining a considerable advantage by playing a few matches versus scrims edit: walk through this axiomatically are scrims and matches different? yes - primarily stress levels do you gain an advantage by having more comfort with dealing with higher stress levels? we can both agree that this is true would, in this tournament, not having directly seeded teams and having those that were instead play more matches prior change the outcome? I would say no -- what team of those directly seeded are inexperienced to playing matches on LAN? I haven't seen a single argument made that connects inexperience with matches to the reason they lose, and only people trying to claim that that's the reason based on a few matches here. would it not be more likely that the teams that were directly seeded simply did not play well enough to win? the last time VP played against nigma was 7 months ago (in matches, likely sooner via scrims) for instance. my point isnt that seeding directly into upper bracket is good, because i think its shit too | ||
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
On June 11 2021 21:27 Faruko wrote: Ill admit that the notion of scrims vs official matches could be wrong, i wont admit it 100% because we have seen time and time again teams getting seeded only to fail well before the potential of what they have. But you can't agree that seeded teams looked shaky. Im betting the mental side of things of lacking the experience of playing in the tournament, which could lead to a more relaxed state instead of the strees that means this being your first match and all that means with it its exactly the reason why these teams came and went like its nothing. But anyway, pointless argument that leads nowhere and i'm not in my best days personally so maybe im not thinking straight and i could be extrapolating data from not enough sample, honestly, i dont care. i apologize hope you start feeling better faruko, take care chief <3 | ||
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teddyoojo
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On June 11 2021 22:35 harodihg wrote: hope you start feeling better faruko, take care chief <3 thank you my dear LD friend  it'll get better | ||
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teddyoojo
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On June 12 2021 04:47 teddyoojo wrote: wild that either t1 or qc is top3 i was really impressed by T1, then Aster played again and now i dont know what to think. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
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On June 12 2021 09:46 plasmidghost wrote: ayyyy ya girl's got cubital tunnel syndrome and also lost about $7500 total during my poker misadventures over the last few weeks Poker, never again. | ||
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Slomo
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