EPT6.82 Balance Changes and Discussion Thread - Page 98
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noulss
France353 Posts
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TechSc2
Netherlands554 Posts
On September 27 2014 20:26 bo1b wrote: Just a random thought, but I would love to see a bloodstone medusa haha I'm up for a test on that. I'm thinking to start medusa as safelane carry, buy soulring, urn( or aquila ), PMS and upgraded boots ( PT or phase depending on the game), then building bloodstone into full damage. or something like daemon edge then bloodstone Bloodstone has an easier buildup, more mana and HP then linkens, better mana regen and the increased mana pool is actually needed now that you drain mana faster to actually get your ult off, and i think the charges make a huge deal for medusa with the extra regen. Linkens is just....so underwhelming now on medusa. the regen just doesn't cut it anymore, you need to increase your mana pool to get your skill off. and bloodstone is even cheaper then linkens. edit: also, switching HP for mana only makes you more tanky now, you gain 15 more EHP per use of soulring, assuming you are not full mana already | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On September 27 2014 21:21 TechSc2 wrote: I'm up for a test on that. I'm thinking to start medusa as safelane carry, buy soulring, urn, PMS and upgraded boots ( PT or phase depending on the game), then building bloodstone into full damage. or something like daemon edge then bloodstone Bloodstone has an easier buildup, more mana and HP then linkens, better mana regen and the increased mana pool is actually needed now that you drain mana faster to actually get your ult off, and i think the charges make a huge deal for medusa with the extra regen. Linkens is just....so underwhelming now on medusa. the regen just doesn't cut it anymore, you need to increase your mana pool to get your skill off. and bloodstone is even cheaper then linkens. well, of course the regen is no where near that of a bloodstone. i don't think its worth it for 3 reasons. 1) linkens passive. the advance notice that you're being attacked and the required 'pop' before someone goes on you is crucial for a carry as fragile as medusa. no amount of regen is worth the defensive capability of the linkens 2) charges. medusa doesn't take advantage of the charge mechanic the way a storm spirit would. since she will be farming creeps more than heroes, i don't think she fully utilizes the bloodstone. 3) agility. bloodstone doesn't offer any of her primary stat. i will say that maybe later into the game it would be good, but definitely not first item material over the linkens or something else like a manta style | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 27 2014 21:28 Aquanim wrote: I remember seeing someone theorycrafting bloodstone medusa ages ago - and it seemed viable enough then. It might even be the best build now, after that change. Soulring snake sounds incredibly annoying on lane. That sounds horrible to play against. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On September 27 2014 20:40 TomatoBisque wrote: Shouldn't it be 1200 mana and 800HP? It should be 1200 mana + 800 dmg reduced by armor, mana shield would be really OP if it was affected by armor. | ||
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BoesFX
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 27 2014 22:21 BoesFX wrote: Since BKB grant 100% magic resistance, should ET's aura allow the BKB-ed hero take about a third damage from spells? its grants spell immunity | ||
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BoesFX
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Magic Immunity has now been renamed to Spell Immunity. Spell Immunity only defines if Spells interact with it, not how damage itself is handled. This means that on its own Spell Immunity status does not reduce any damage. Black King Bar, Repel, Rage and all other previous forms of "Magic Immunity" now grant Spell Immunity status and a 100% Magic Resistance bonus. | ||
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TechSc2
Netherlands554 Posts
On September 27 2014 21:29 BluemoonSC wrote: well, of course the regen is no where near that of a bloodstone. i don't think its worth it for 3 reasons. 1) linkens passive. the advance notice that you're being attacked and the required 'pop' before someone goes on you is crucial for a carry as fragile as medusa. no amount of regen is worth the defensive capability of the linkens 2) charges. medusa doesn't take advantage of the charge mechanic the way a storm spirit would. since she will be farming creeps more than heroes, i don't think she fully utilizes the bloodstone. 3) agility. bloodstone doesn't offer any of her primary stat. i will say that maybe later into the game it would be good, but definitely not first item material over the linkens or something else like a manta style 1) then in those words every carry needs it? the reason why people build linkens on some hero's is because of how elusive you get when you have it up. Medusa is not one of those hero's. Linkens was just the best choice at that point in time due to the mana regen en stats 2) charges makes you tanky as hell, because with 50 mana regen a second, you take alot less damage when with a flat rate as linkens. 3) good point, that is the one thing i did miss a bit when i build the bloodstone, but i think that can easily be fixed with other items that she really wants anyway. I just did a game, and it was horrible to itemize when you are experimenting, but i think you can go upgraded boots, soulring into MoM then bloodstone, your farming accelerates so much with MoM, and MoM 40% extra damage is reduced to 0% extra damage as long as you have mana shield up. Was a bit weird and i didn't buildup like i should have, but once i had MoM and bloodstone i was nearly unkillable. If you want to you can always get a bkb like normal carries. One of the biggest problems with linkens sphere currently is that you don't build a bigger mana pool, which you desperatly need now that your mana shield drains more mana then it usd to | ||
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TechSc2
Netherlands554 Posts
On September 27 2014 22:27 BoesFX wrote: Magic Immunity has now been renamed to Spell Immunity. Spell Immunity only defines if Spells interact with it, not how damage itself is handled. This means that on its own Spell Immunity status does not reduce any damage. Black King Bar, Repel, Rage and all other previous forms of "Magic Immunity" now grant Spell Immunity status and a 100% Magic Resistance bonus. With bkb on, total magic resistance will be 125% ( bonus of 100% ), ET aura removes 100% base magic resistance, leaving BKB'd hero's with 100% magic resistance total which means no damage from spells | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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TechSc2
Netherlands554 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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BoesFX
1451 Posts
On September 27 2014 22:36 TechSc2 wrote: With bkb on, total magic resistance will be 125% ( bonus of 100% ), ET aura removes 100% base magic resistance, leaving BKB'd hero's with 100% magic resistance total which means no damage from spells I didn't see that 33% is actually magic amplification not magic resistance reduction like what I assumed. So, it is 100% - 0%*133%*75% = 100% magic resistance. | ||
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Mecha King Ghidorah
United States595 Posts
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BigO
Sweden956 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 27 2014 23:17 BigO wrote: MoM is always the item to go if you want to win with medusa, linkens first as was popular is just a waste of her early game teamfight potential. Yeh, I understand that. Just seems weird in the same way that picking a medusa for early game teamfight. There is way better uses of her. | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
Linkens is pretty bad, but Bloodstone isn't good at all though, not sure where that idea came from. It still is an item that gives 0 stats to a hero that utilizes them extremely well. Like seriously if you're that concerned with HP and MP you might as well go Skadi, though that as a second item is questionable. MoM into Manta and then Skadi might be good though. Not sure yet. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On September 27 2014 22:32 TechSc2 wrote: 1) then in those words every carry needs it? the reason why people build linkens on some hero's is because of how elusive you get when you have it up. Medusa is not one of those hero's. Linkens was just the best choice at that point in time due to the mana regen en stats 2) charges makes you tanky as hell, because with 50 mana regen a second, you take alot less damage when with a flat rate as linkens. 3) good point, that is the one thing i did miss a bit when i build the bloodstone, but i think that can easily be fixed with other items that she really wants anyway. I just did a game, and it was horrible to itemize when you are experimenting, but i think you can go upgraded boots, soulring into MoM then bloodstone, your farming accelerates so much with MoM, and MoM 40% extra damage is reduced to 0% extra damage as long as you have mana shield up. Was a bit weird and i didn't buildup like i should have, but once i had MoM and bloodstone i was nearly unkillable. If you want to you can always get a bkb like normal carries. One of the biggest problems with linkens sphere currently is that you don't build a bigger mana pool, which you desperatly need now that your mana shield drains more mana then it usd to i dont deny that the mana regen isnt amazing on the bloodstone, its just how you get the charges that can be difficult if youre an late game carry like medusa. plus, the bloodstone hampers your damage. im not saying its a bad item later on, but its definitely not an item i'd get over treads -> drums -> yasha | ||
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