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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2014 21:22 GMT
#1221
I think people really under estimate the new charge ability that works on all the illusions.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
September 25 2014 21:22 GMT
#1222
On September 26 2014 06:21 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 06:19 Acritter wrote:
On September 26 2014 06:12 Shaella wrote:
in my opinion new PL may have the potential to be one of the most oppressive mid game carries ever

He's taken some really tough nerfs too, though. The Agi gain nerf hits really hard, and his illusions last only 8 seconds. Secondary illusions barely even exist. 4 second duration and only 8% chance. The dodge is good, but he's still just not going to be generating enough illusions to have noticeable damage.

I really think we're not going to be seeing much of him.

have you played him?

He gens illusions rapidly, and PHANTOM RUSH.

Hero is good

A lot of people try to build him like the old PL, mainly around his illusions. Heart, radiance, etc. You should build more around the hero now; skadi, crit, basher, BKB, etc.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 25 2014 21:22 GMT
#1223
On September 26 2014 06:21 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 06:19 Acritter wrote:
On September 26 2014 06:12 Shaella wrote:
in my opinion new PL may have the potential to be one of the most oppressive mid game carries ever

He's taken some really tough nerfs too, though. The Agi gain nerf hits really hard, and his illusions last only 8 seconds. Secondary illusions barely even exist. 4 second duration and only 8% chance. The dodge is good, but he's still just not going to be generating enough illusions to have noticeable damage.

I really think we're not going to be seeing much of him.

have you played him?

He gens illusions rapidly, and PHANTOM RUSH.

Hero is good

Jus' sayin'. He lacks a lot of the lategame inevitability he once had, and he's still really squishy. Get a bit of initiation on him and he's gone.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
September 25 2014 21:23 GMT
#1224
Well, yeah. He's not designed to be a lategame split-pusher anymore. Now he's a midgame team fighter.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
September 25 2014 21:24 GMT
#1225
he's not a lategame hero anymore. He's a midgame fighter

Like you go treads/diffu/heart now and just fight forever, maybe build a skadi at that point, but running from you is already hard
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2014 21:25 GMT
#1226
On September 26 2014 06:24 Shaella wrote:
he's not a lategame hero anymore. He's a midgame fighter

Like you go treads/diffu/heart now and just fight forever, maybe build a skadi at that point, but running from you is already hard

When he hits someone after the charge and generates an illusion, is that illusion's charge ability off cooldown?
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Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
September 25 2014 21:27 GMT
#1227
On September 26 2014 06:25 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 06:24 Shaella wrote:
he's not a lategame hero anymore. He's a midgame fighter

Like you go treads/diffu/heart now and just fight forever, maybe build a skadi at that point, but running from you is already hard

When he hits someone after the charge and generates an illusion, is that illusion's charge ability off cooldown?

It should be. The cooldown's separate for every PL.

And another new build of bug fixes: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=146622
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 25 2014 21:28 GMT
#1228
Time will tell. Sure, I'm not surprised that he's good against Sniper and Drow. Many things are, such as the right mouse button. I just see a lot of unfortunate incidents with him and AoE waiting to happen that the old PL didn't really run into, because old PL would usually separate from the illusions.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
September 25 2014 21:29 GMT
#1229
On September 26 2014 06:28 Acritter wrote:
Time will tell. Sure, I'm not surprised that he's good against Sniper and Drow. Many things are, such as the right mouse button. I just see a lot of unfortunate incidents with him and AoE waiting to happen that the old PL didn't really run into, because old PL would usually separate from the illusions.

Unless the AoE's instant, he should be able to doppelganger most of it. If you have good prediction skills, it's an obscenely strong ability.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
September 25 2014 21:31 GMT
#1230
yeah doppelganger is really strong, just odd
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 21:32:06
September 25 2014 21:31 GMT
#1231
On September 26 2014 06:29 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 06:28 Acritter wrote:
Time will tell. Sure, I'm not surprised that he's good against Sniper and Drow. Many things are, such as the right mouse button. I just see a lot of unfortunate incidents with him and AoE waiting to happen that the old PL didn't really run into, because old PL would usually separate from the illusions.

Unless the AoE's instant, he should be able to doppelganger most of it. If you have good prediction skills, it's an obscenely strong ability.

Doppelganger is good, but it's not quite Phase Shift.

I mean, it has other things to it that make it really strong, but it doesn't allow you to simply ignore everything the way Phase Shift does.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 21:33:05
September 25 2014 21:32 GMT
#1232
You could build him for straight man fighting with drum/aquila/diffu as so on. With the the 10 second doppelganger, he will be super elusive during a fight.

Also, doppelganger creates an illusion that takes the same damage PL does, so it could be very hard to tell who the real one is by just using an AOE.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
September 25 2014 21:33 GMT
#1233
i don't think you should build drum. You can totally build treads aquila diffu tho
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2014 21:35 GMT
#1234
yeah, I suppose a bracer is fine if you need HP and then work towards heart or yasha/manta(depending on the game and your need to farm)

Or get an urn, its god tier now(kidding/kinda)
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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
September 25 2014 21:36 GMT
#1235
sny/diffu/basher
might be best
u can maybe get sange last
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 25 2014 21:37 GMT
#1236
The only limiting factor to urn is that only one gets charges per death

otherwise its way beyond good right now.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 25 2014 21:37 GMT
#1237
Let's also not forget that there's more than one type of AoE. Zoning AoE can mess the hero up. Jakiro, for example. He's just as squishy as before.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2014 21:39 GMT
#1238
Of course the hero has flaws and opponents that make his life a nightmare. Thats dota.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 25 2014 21:40 GMT
#1239
I'm just pointing out that there are non-niche ways to handle him. Depending on how many there turn out to be, PL might turn out quite weak in the long run.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
September 25 2014 21:40 GMT
#1240
Speaking of Jakiro, he can macropyre the Rosh pit without entering the river.

http://i.imgur.com/3YQDcfW.jpg

Combine that with ice shards for maximum fun.
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