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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 08:23:53
July 20 2012 08:07 GMT
#14821
On July 20 2012 16:50 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 16:44 [17]Purple wrote:
^KotL is also one of the best pushers in the game as well

His push is simply anti pushing so hard the enemy creeps aren't a factor. He has no means of damaging towers himself, it's just every antipush pushes as a side effect. His antipush is worth much more mention as his pushing is really nothing spectacular (though indeed its very efficient)

Wouldn't he have synergy with heroes like leshrac and lycan who can push towers really fast but are less effective at clearing creepwaves?

*edit: the LoL jokes are getting old real fast guys
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
July 20 2012 08:08 GMT
#14822
Does anybody know who the best bruiser in this game is? I tried Axe, but my first skill has too small range, so nobody ever attacks me, unless I sneak in from behind or through the trees. The items I got were two shields and trees. Also, should I still solo top?

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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 20 2012 08:14 GMT
#14823
Somebody's world is about to be turned upside down...
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
July 20 2012 08:21 GMT
#14824
I wonder if the KotL PL lane would still work in today's meta...
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
July 20 2012 08:23 GMT
#14825
On July 20 2012 17:08 Cool Cat wrote:
Does anybody know who the best bruiser in this game is? I tried Axe, but my first skill has too small range, so nobody ever attacks me, unless I sneak in from behind or through the trees. The items I got were two shields and trees. Also, should I still solo top?


Please don't try to apply LoL concepts to dota2, just doesn't work. The lanes aren't even symmetrical for one, so nobody knows what you are referring to when you say "solo top" without specifying the side. And no you should not.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 08:27:28
July 20 2012 08:26 GMT
#14826
Do you guys can see refraction animation when TA is on the enemy team ? :|

iirc before the last patch I could see the refraction thing around her but now i can't anymore... bug ?
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
July 20 2012 08:28 GMT
#14827
On July 20 2012 17:26 BlitzerSC wrote:
Do you guys can see refraction animation when TA is on the enemy team ? :|

iirc before the last patch I could see the refraction thing around her but now i can't anymore... bug ?


The refraction bubble was only visible to enemies when it was still in the test client, last patch only her team mates can see it.
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
July 20 2012 08:28 GMT
#14828
you're not supposed to see it
Hates Fun🤔
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
July 20 2012 08:30 GMT
#14829
On July 20 2012 17:23 uriel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 17:08 Cool Cat wrote:
Does anybody know who the best bruiser in this game is? I tried Axe, but my first skill has too small range, so nobody ever attacks me, unless I sneak in from behind or through the trees. The items I got were two shields and trees. Also, should I still solo top?


Please don't try to apply LoL concepts to dota2, just doesn't work. The lanes aren't even symmetrical for one, so nobody knows what you are referring to when you say "solo top" without specifying the side. And no you should not.


To help it's important to know what you're saying. Do you want someone tanky who does damage? Some strength semi-carries fill that role, like Night Stalker and Brewmaster. Do you want someone who just absorbs hurt but demands attention? Tidehunter and Axe are probably the ones who fill that role best.

If you're laning with Axe, you don't want to Solo with him. He doesn't need it and when you solo as a melee hero you need to have a farming spell (and axe really has to get in the thick of it to use his "farming" spell) like Rocket Flare (Clockwerk) or Ion Shell (Dark Seer).

Lanes in Dota are, as uriel wrote, asymetrical. For the Radiant, the bottom lane is generally considered to be safer - you're beside your own jungle and the creep meet closer to your tower. For the Dire, the Top lane is generally considered to be safer. Therefor, Dire bot and Radiant top are the "long" or "hard" or "suicide" lane.

It's also possible to jungle with Axe, but you need to practice this to do it well - you need to understand camp spawn timings, know which camps you can easily take down, understand stacking, and you need to be efficient.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
July 20 2012 08:32 GMT
#14830
On July 20 2012 12:51 BurningSera wrote:
Is it just me that naga's model looks smaller than average hero??

Yeah she does, Lina looks bigger than her, and she doesn't even have a tail. And compared to Slardar...^^
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
July 20 2012 08:34 GMT
#14831
On July 20 2012 17:28 [17]Purple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 17:26 BlitzerSC wrote:
Do you guys can see refraction animation when TA is on the enemy team ? :|

iirc before the last patch I could see the refraction thing around her but now i can't anymore... bug ?


The refraction bubble was only visible to enemies when it was still in the test client, last patch only her team mates can see it.


That's BS then.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 20 2012 08:36 GMT
#14832
On July 20 2012 17:34 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 17:28 [17]Purple wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:26 BlitzerSC wrote:
Do you guys can see refraction animation when TA is on the enemy team ? :|

iirc before the last patch I could see the refraction thing around her but now i can't anymore... bug ?


The refraction bubble was only visible to enemies when it was still in the test client, last patch only her team mates can see it.


That's BS then.

That's how it's supposed to be
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 08:40:58
July 20 2012 08:37 GMT
#14833
On July 20 2012 17:32 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 12:51 BurningSera wrote:
Is it just me that naga's model looks smaller than average hero??

Yeah she does, Lina looks bigger than her, and she doesn't even have a tail. And compared to Slardar...^^

Slark and Siren have the smallest collision sizes in the game at 8, everyone else has a collision size of 24.

edit: Terrorblade Metamorphosis has collision size of 22


On July 20 2012 17:36 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 17:34 BlitzerSC wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:28 [17]Purple wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:26 BlitzerSC wrote:
Do you guys can see refraction animation when TA is on the enemy team ? :|

iirc before the last patch I could see the refraction thing around her but now i can't anymore... bug ?


The refraction bubble was only visible to enemies when it was still in the test client, last patch only her team mates can see it.


That's BS then.

That's how it's supposed to be


You are supposed to be able to see the buff icon when you click her in dota 1, you can't do that now in dota 2. There was no visual bubble effect though in DotA 1 besides a small flash at the beginning.
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 20 2012 08:38 GMT
#14834
On July 20 2012 17:37 [17]Purple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 17:32 ChrisXIV wrote:
On July 20 2012 12:51 BurningSera wrote:
Is it just me that naga's model looks smaller than average hero??

Yeah she does, Lina looks bigger than her, and she doesn't even have a tail. And compared to Slardar...^^

Slark and Siren have the smallest collision sizes in the game at 8, everyone else has a collision size of 24.

Together with lycan in ult form
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 20 2012 08:42 GMT
#14835
PSA: naga ulti now works on fountain: happy fountain diving!
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
July 20 2012 08:43 GMT
#14836
On July 20 2012 17:36 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 17:34 BlitzerSC wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:28 [17]Purple wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:26 BlitzerSC wrote:
Do you guys can see refraction animation when TA is on the enemy team ? :|

iirc before the last patch I could see the refraction thing around her but now i can't anymore... bug ?


The refraction bubble was only visible to enemies when it was still in the test client, last patch only her team mates can see it.


That's BS then.

That's how it's supposed to be


Doesn't make it less BS. She tower dove me and killed me because I couldn't see her refraction animation. Why can you see invoker orbs but you can't see TA refraction ? That's stupid.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
July 20 2012 08:44 GMT
#14837
On July 20 2012 07:42 LeglessPuppy wrote:
I find Kunkka to be a garbage hero because you have to know exactly wtf you are doing or he sucks. Sure you could max your tidebringer early and have tons of harass, but what good does that do if you can't land your other abilities? I spent probly 4-5 hours on bots games just learning how his boat works (It doesn't like to go where you point)

I find Starcraft BW, Starcraft 2 and all competitive games to be completely garbage because you have to know exactly wtf you are doing or you get raped like a little girl.

Kunkka may or may not be garbage but your reasoning is seriously flawed man.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
July 20 2012 08:48 GMT
#14838
On July 20 2012 17:43 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 17:36 Qbek wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:34 BlitzerSC wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:28 [17]Purple wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:26 BlitzerSC wrote:
Do you guys can see refraction animation when TA is on the enemy team ? :|

iirc before the last patch I could see the refraction thing around her but now i can't anymore... bug ?


The refraction bubble was only visible to enemies when it was still in the test client, last patch only her team mates can see it.


That's BS then.

That's how it's supposed to be


Doesn't make it less BS. She tower dove me and killed me because I couldn't see her refraction animation. Why can you see invoker orbs but you can't see TA refraction ? That's stupid.


That's like saying I tried to gank Crystal Maiden but died cause' a Lifestealer was inside her and I could have never known. A lot of things in DotA are pretty subtle and the game expects you to know things a lot of the time and when TA dives your tower, expect her Refraction to be up or ready.
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
July 20 2012 08:48 GMT
#14839
On July 20 2012 17:43 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 17:36 Qbek wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:34 BlitzerSC wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:28 [17]Purple wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:26 BlitzerSC wrote:
Do you guys can see refraction animation when TA is on the enemy team ? :|

iirc before the last patch I could see the refraction thing around her but now i can't anymore... bug ?


The refraction bubble was only visible to enemies when it was still in the test client, last patch only her team mates can see it.


That's BS then.

That's how it's supposed to be


Doesn't make it less BS. She tower dove me and killed me because I couldn't see her refraction animation. Why can you see invoker orbs but you can't see TA refraction ? That's stupid.

Never could see them in DotA1 either. What I'm curious about is whether you could see the buff/debuff on her in DotA1 because they don't show now.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 20 2012 08:54 GMT
#14840
On July 20 2012 17:48 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 17:43 BlitzerSC wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:36 Qbek wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:34 BlitzerSC wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:28 [17]Purple wrote:
On July 20 2012 17:26 BlitzerSC wrote:
Do you guys can see refraction animation when TA is on the enemy team ? :|

iirc before the last patch I could see the refraction thing around her but now i can't anymore... bug ?


The refraction bubble was only visible to enemies when it was still in the test client, last patch only her team mates can see it.


That's BS then.

That's how it's supposed to be


Doesn't make it less BS. She tower dove me and killed me because I couldn't see her refraction animation. Why can you see invoker orbs but you can't see TA refraction ? That's stupid.

Never could see them in DotA1 either. What I'm curious about is whether you could see the buff/debuff on her in DotA1 because they don't show now.

You could see that in DotA 1.
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