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NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
July 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#14721
In those two empty slots he wanted to give me a Juggernaut sword and an Axe Helm. There was also an Invoker hairpiece

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I hope you appreciate the quality!

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£0.49

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£1.99

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£0.49

Like really is the BH armour worth THAT much? XD







Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
July 18 2012 22:39 GMT
#14722
From the update notes:
- The Director will now acknowledge all Ultimate usages not just the ones that damage, so you can no longer pretend that Echo Slam in the jungle by yourself didn't happen.


Really Valve....REALLY? Why do you have to mock about PGG's Black Hole attempts?
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
July 18 2012 22:56 GMT
#14723
On July 19 2012 07:39 Slomo wrote:
From the update notes:
Show nested quote +
- The Director will now acknowledge all Ultimate usages not just the ones that damage, so you can no longer pretend that Echo Slam in the jungle by yourself didn't happen.


Really Valve....REALLY? Why do you have to mock about PGG's Black Hole attempts?

This has nothing to do with pgg. Sounds more like singsing pub tactics.
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
July 18 2012 22:59 GMT
#14724
On July 19 2012 06:50 Kipsate wrote:
Spiked row looks bad and I don't think many people play drow, you might be one of the only one.

Drow is awesome for pubs. You only need 1 person with a brain on your team, and that person should lane with you, but other than that...I'm 21-11 with Drow in pubs. ^^
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 18 2012 23:26 GMT
#14725
On July 19 2012 07:56 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 07:39 Slomo wrote:
From the update notes:
- The Director will now acknowledge all Ultimate usages not just the ones that damage, so you can no longer pretend that Echo Slam in the jungle by yourself didn't happen.


Really Valve....REALLY? Why do you have to mock about PGG's Black Hole attempts?

This has nothing to do with pgg. Sounds more like singsing pub tactics.

pretty sure singsing doesnt skill echoslam or only for small camp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 18 2012 23:36 GMT
#14726
wait... they changed naga.... where is the crit... jezzz i have to relearn this hero again -_-
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 19 2012 01:39 GMT
#14727
rip tide then stop the animation for the coolest attack animation of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
July 19 2012 02:45 GMT
#14728
Can anyone weigh into why invoker players sometimes go treads and sometimes go phase? I would have thought that phase is better due to the extra damage, and positioning you get with them. But Fishara for darer seems to always build treads. Fairly confused right now as i am attempting to learn invoker.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 19 2012 02:55 GMT
#14729
And to add things to the mix I think burning is going mana boots -> force staff - > bkb -> etc. (sheep/aghs/blink) and leaving invoke at level 1 until he has double forge spirits.

Treads on invoker are probably just a preference thing or to make his cold snap proc more often (and if he's going exort it makes his right clicks stronger than phase's +22 does most likely. Not gonna do the math but it sounds right).

Phase boots are more for when you go quas/wex because with drums + phase you move at basically max ms with wex on at its higher levels. Phase boots if you're going quas/exort are because invoker's movespeed is terrible, but people have been making up for that with force staff and blink to get better positioning... thus the mana boots to help the team for pushes and because exort spells are fairly mana intensive.

That said in a pub I almost always go for phase boots + force staff. (To me force staff is completely core on the hero, lets you setup many kills and get into position for crucial ice walls/meteors/deafening blasts or gets you out of trouble).

Some team compositions you still want to go quas/wex but generally quas/exort is better now, gives you global map presence and a very strong pushing presence once quas and exort are both level 4. (and a single point in either wex or exort after you get them to what you need lets you do deafening blasts either build, and it's an incredible teamfight spell)
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
July 19 2012 03:08 GMT
#14730
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finally top 10 china ban/pick heroes release?
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 19 2012 03:11 GMT
#14731
sounds good, the only hero used in the China at all meta and isn't here is TC (who's somewhere around 12-13 iirc), much better than the 4 or so out of 10 of the last International
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 03:39:19
July 19 2012 03:38 GMT
#14732
Phase/Drums decision should be based off wex invoker or exort invoker. Simple as that. Anything beyond that is very detailed math involving marginal increases that can be overcome or is less important than other factors.

Tango/Blades of attack on wex invoker lets you have last hit damage/regen with quas tango/and phase just makes sense from there.

Tango/Blades starting item for an exort invoker just doesn't make sense. Boots/Tango would be the equivalent.

Edit: Spelling
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 06:43:12
July 19 2012 06:09 GMT
#14733
does naga get picked a lot in wc3 dota? I've played a few rounds in bots games, and her cc seems really strong. 5 second single target stun *snare and 7 second aoe disable (granted it also prevents attacking them, but its for positioning, right?)

Good pushing too, with rip tide to clear creeps and illusions to batter down towers.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 06:27:34
July 19 2012 06:17 GMT
#14734
On July 19 2012 15:09 Varpulis wrote:
does naga get picked a lot in wc3 dota? I've played a few rounds in bots games, and her cc seems really strong. 5 second single target stun and 7 second aoe disable (granted it also prevents attacking them, but its for positioning, right?)

Good pushing too, with rip tide to clear creeps and illusions to batter down towers.


No, she does not get picked that much. She gets banned way too much to see any play

Most Ace DotA games this season have Siren included in some way and she is one of the few carries that can reliably disable someone to set up a kill, not to different from Chaos Knight (who is also quite popular in the Chinese scene)
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
July 19 2012 06:46 GMT
#14735
looks like she's the 7th most banned/picked hero in ace, with only 44 bans 9 picks and a 67% WR
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
July 19 2012 07:36 GMT
#14736
Anyone know any pro player playing Invoker exceptionally well?
Would like to watch some VOD based on Invoker.
Play your best
SiZ.FaNtAsY
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)1497 Posts
July 19 2012 07:48 GMT
#14737
OBLIVION VS KUNKKA MID IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE....

I was Kunkka obv...

Right click right click blase if u get too close... Gg
Obvlivion also has crazy base ms.. nothing i can do..
been a while since the reason my team lost was cause of me.. I'm so sad.
Karma is a bitch
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
July 19 2012 08:24 GMT
#14738
On July 19 2012 08:26 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 07:56 SilverStar wrote:
On July 19 2012 07:39 Slomo wrote:
From the update notes:
- The Director will now acknowledge all Ultimate usages not just the ones that damage, so you can no longer pretend that Echo Slam in the jungle by yourself didn't happen.


Really Valve....REALLY? Why do you have to mock about PGG's Black Hole attempts?

This has nothing to do with pgg. Sounds more like singsing pub tactics.

pretty sure singsing doesnt skill echoslam or only for small camp.

It actually he did it on stream like last week when he was playing with 1437 and CWM.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
July 19 2012 08:26 GMT
#14739
On July 19 2012 16:36 FakeDeath wrote:
Anyone know any pro player playing Invoker exceptionally well?
Would like to watch some VOD based on Invoker.

Dendi is obvious choice for QE invoker.

Can't think of any in particular for QW invoker, there are a lot more out of them out there.
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Snarra
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark94 Posts
July 19 2012 08:30 GMT
#14740
On July 19 2012 16:36 FakeDeath wrote:
Anyone know any pro player playing Invoker exceptionally well?
Would like to watch some VOD based on Invoker.


Well, maybe this helps. mTw.Synderen playing Invoker and explaining what he's doing and why:

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