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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 13:02:39
July 12 2012 12:59 GMT
#14401
On July 12 2012 21:52 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 21:48 Numy wrote:
http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Armor you can read up all there.


This would imply that he is incorrect, and that it scales the same way on both sides.


The link even has graph next to it showing same trend.

Positive armor values:

Damage Reduction = ( 0.06 * armor ) / (1 + 0.06 * armor)

Negative armor values:

Damage Increase = 1 - 0.94 ^ (-armor)
miyuki
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland47 Posts
July 12 2012 13:06 GMT
#14402
Just to give you an example:

10 armor gives 37,5% damage reduction, -10 armor gives 46,1% damage increase.

Considering these values are correct,

If the enemy has 10 armor and gets it reduced to 0, he will take 60% more damage from attacks.
If he has 0 armor and gets it reduced to -10, he will take 46,1% more damage from attacks.

So armor reduction gets stronger as the armor increases.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 12 2012 13:30 GMT
#14403
.... Maxing meld before refraction? what is this? TA prepatch? Refraction is so OP after Icefrog changed it lol... max that shit first you get yourself +80 dmg PER HIT @_@ and that shit last for its whole duration so basicly a relic + hammer @_@

Didnt have much chance to play her after icefrog tweak her skills as well as seeing how the meta change but this will be fun.
Notice on the patch note: TA is IN -cm tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She doesnt need 1 week trial period
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
July 12 2012 14:00 GMT
#14404
all armor above zero gives 6% EHP per point..
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 14:07:23
July 12 2012 14:06 GMT
#14405
its situtational, but remember that medallion + crystals will give much more increase in overall dps and utility than deso, and doesn't take an orb slot

negative armor scaling below 0 is quite good for a bit, for example, -10 armor is around +45% physical dmg, but it dramatically loses power past that whereby even -20 armor is only around +70% physical dmg, so in that day its less useful than if they have positive armor in practice

ex. if you have -10 armor, against somebody with 10 armor, you'll do 1/(.625) dmg = 60% more dmg to them than if you didn't have reduction, which is better than negative armor scaling compared to if they had 0 armor

also, its pretty accepted in most situations that going 1-1-1, and maxing refraction is the best way to go, then it probably depends on team composition and dps environment as to whether to max meld or blades first after that
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 12 2012 14:38 GMT
#14406
So news going around the block: WCG pick up DotA2 for the first time in history, Dota2 replacing LoL since WCG and Riot didnt come to an agreement. Russian DotA2 WCG qual already dated etc....

Need some legit news source to confirm all these.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 12 2012 14:52 GMT
#14407
On July 12 2012 23:00 Unleashing wrote:
all armor above zero gives 6% EHP per point..

yep, which is why SF's aura is good. -24% EHP to every enemy. and why treants Aura is boss too +24% EHP to every ally.

now combine them.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
July 12 2012 14:58 GMT
#14408
On July 12 2012 23:38 NB wrote:
So news going around the block: WCG pick up DotA2 for the first time in history, Dota2 replacing LoL since WCG and Riot didnt come to an agreement. Russian DotA2 WCG qual already dated etc....

Need some legit news source to confirm all these.

Has WCG ever picked a game that was still in beta stage? I don't think so. Would be great for dota2, but if WCG still sees itself as the esports olympics, wouldn't it be against their spirit to pick a game that is not even available to everybody?
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 12 2012 15:00 GMT
#14409
WCG is pretty terrible anyway isn't it, cellphone games or whatever?Also Crossfire I think?
WriterXiao8~~
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
July 12 2012 15:05 GMT
#14410
I know when im beaten.
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
July 12 2012 15:13 GMT
#14411
On July 12 2012 23:58 Mafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 23:38 NB wrote:
So news going around the block: WCG pick up DotA2 for the first time in history, Dota2 replacing LoL since WCG and Riot didnt come to an agreement. Russian DotA2 WCG qual already dated etc....

Need some legit news source to confirm all these.

Has WCG ever picked a game that was still in beta stage? I don't think so. Would be great for dota2, but if WCG still sees itself as the esports olympics, wouldn't it be against their spirit to pick a game that is not even available to everybody?


It is available for everybody though, they've been selling beta access for a while now.
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 12 2012 15:16 GMT
#14412
yup, the game is no longer considered beta as you can just legally purchase the 'access' right now.

the first news source was a random chinese article but it was pretty sketchy... then getfrags post their 'confirmation' on some sort of russian qualifier...
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OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
July 12 2012 15:51 GMT
#14413
On July 13 2012 00:16 NB wrote:
yup, the game is no longer considered beta as you can just legally purchase the 'access' right now.

the first news source was a random chinese article but it was pretty sketchy... then getfrags post their 'confirmation' on some sort of russian qualifier...

Writer talks about the voting process for a game to be considered. He goes on about how in addition to players voting to their game, the viewers votes are also important. He then state that the developer needs to be in agreement with the various parties as well. So he thinks Dota 2 will make it as an official game title because it is popular in most countries, thereby securing enough votes from the players and viewers. He also thinks that there is no way for Valve to give up this chance to promote the game.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 12 2012 16:36 GMT
#14414
what about this one? http://greatfrag.com/otherfilter/1126-wcg-2012-lol-replaced-with-dota-2.html
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 12 2012 16:38 GMT
#14415
On July 13 2012 01:36 NB wrote:
what about this one? http://greatfrag.com/otherfilter/1126-wcg-2012-lol-replaced-with-dota-2.html


Claiming that "DOTA 2 [is] still in closed beta" doesn't exactly give bonus points to that article. =D
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 16:41:30
July 12 2012 16:40 GMT
#14416
Yeah that short sentence is pretty silly when you consider the lengths of each games competitive life :p
implying that DOTA's competitive scene hasnt really taken off yet is just laughable.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 16:50:06
July 12 2012 16:49 GMT
#14417
well thats not the point. i stated that these are still rumors and i am looking for more reliable news source. We all know that WCG has always dodge DotA in the past despite popular demands simply bc there are issue with Blizzard copyrights. Now the game is developed by valve and majority of chinese proteams are switching over, they might as well try to aim ahead. Their main market is still china main land but korea/taiwan so i dont think LoL will do much for them.

Has been tweeting people to find a more reliable news sources but no response
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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
July 12 2012 16:49 GMT
#14418
eh, you guys are reading too much into that. i'm reading it as that they're more surprised that a game that hasn't officially been released yet has been chosen by WCG.
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 12 2012 16:54 GMT
#14419
On July 12 2012 18:41 NB wrote:
[image loading]
found young brew master while surfing the web


Since this doesn't get the attention it deserves ... can you tell me what that is?

ITS SO INCREDIBLY CUTE OMGOMG. <333
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 12 2012 17:01 GMT
#14420
Is that a Bear-Cat?
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