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sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 01:49:49
June 26 2012 01:49 GMT
#13161
On June 26 2012 03:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 01:00 SKC wrote:
The logic of supports getting the kill being actually better is flawed though. It doesn't matter if the carry get's a lot of money anyway, if supports taking gold away from the carry was superior in any way it would be no diferent when talking about creep kills. Suports getting 200 gold from a hero instead of a carry is exactly the same as supports getting 200 gold instead of a carry on creep kills, but you hardly ever see them taking any farm just because a few creep kills won't matter, he will get most of them anyway.

But yes, the whole "stealing kills from a carry" is annoying, you do what it takes to kill. If the AM got all 6 kills in the beginning of the game, great. If not, it isn't such a big deal. The money is never wasted.

That's exactly the case though. Maybe not early game when the carry is building his basic farming items like RoH, but most certainly midgame you will see teams allocate some farm time to supports building their key items. A fed carry can't win the game by himself if the rest of his team is totally starved.
.


its still doable though with the correct gear and correct engagement.

the same thing cant be said with a team of 1 fat support and starve carries, since support heroes abilities usually doesnt scale up with items so no point of him having all the money by going on killing rampage early-mid game
Put quote here for readability
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 01:57:23
June 26 2012 01:51 GMT
#13162
On June 26 2012 10:49 sandyph wrote:
its still doable though with the correct gear and correct engagement.

the same thing cant be said with a team of 1 fat support and starve carries, since support heroes abilities usually doesnt scale up with items so no point of him having all the money by going on killing rampage early-mid game

If a support going on a rampage doesn't create enough free time/space for your carry to farm and get fat, than either the fed support or the carry isn't playing correctly.

A carry getting fat doesn't necessarily entail his supports getting fat--but supports getting fat is much more likely to create a tempo that allows the carry to also get farmed.

Example--suppose you're Lion and you get some kills and get your Blink Dagger extremely early. You're not going to be able to become a big lategame carry with the extra gold, but you easily buy your carry like 5-10 minutes of free-farm because when you go missing on the minimap, everyone on the enemy team is going to be scared shitless that you're going to jump out of nowhere and Blink->instakill them, so absolutely no one is going to risk trying to gank your carry.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 02:59:25
June 26 2012 02:58 GMT
#13163
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repost from /r/dota2 which was reposted from 4chan :3

bonus:
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
June 26 2012 03:02 GMT
#13164
On June 26 2012 11:58 NB wrote:
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repost from /r/dota2 which was reposted from 4chan :3

bonus:
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That got posted like 10 pages ago. Still funny though. :p

:Goes back to lurking:
you gotta dance
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
June 26 2012 03:12 GMT
#13165
Has anyone been getting matched against a lot of 5 man stacks recently?

For the past two weeks everytime I play I get atleast 4 man stacks and my team is usually me+friend+3 randoms or me+two random friends+two randoms.
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
June 26 2012 04:42 GMT
#13166
On June 26 2012 12:12 dmnum wrote:
Has anyone been getting matched against a lot of 5 man stacks recently?

For the past two weeks everytime I play I get atleast 4 man stacks and my team is usually me+friend+3 randoms or me+two random friends+two randoms.


Just had a match against a five-man team. We narrowly won, but it does seem to happen. Wasn't there going to be an upcoming patch where we can choose to go against premades or not?
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
June 26 2012 05:13 GMT
#13167
On June 26 2012 13:42 Nilrem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 12:12 dmnum wrote:
Has anyone been getting matched against a lot of 5 man stacks recently?

For the past two weeks everytime I play I get atleast 4 man stacks and my team is usually me+friend+3 randoms or me+two random friends+two randoms.


Just had a match against a five-man team. We narrowly won, but it does seem to happen. Wasn't there going to be an upcoming patch where we can choose to go against premades or not?

No idea, but I'm up for it. The problem with playing against stacks is that usually it's not a close game, most of the time you either stomp or get stomped...Sometimes you get some good games but it's much rarer.
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
June 26 2012 06:48 GMT
#13168
On June 26 2012 13:42 Nilrem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 12:12 dmnum wrote:
Has anyone been getting matched against a lot of 5 man stacks recently?

For the past two weeks everytime I play I get atleast 4 man stacks and my team is usually me+friend+3 randoms or me+two random friends+two randoms.


Just had a match against a five-man team. We narrowly won, but it does seem to happen. Wasn't there going to be an upcoming patch where we can choose to go against premades or not?


Yes, there is to be a patch soon that let us queue as premade against premades.
We are to design our team logo and all!
"Yeah buddy"
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 26 2012 07:15 GMT
#13169
was that specifically said on the developer blog somewhere? i wouldnt mind reading a source
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Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
June 26 2012 07:30 GMT
#13170
On June 26 2012 15:48 Ramong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 13:42 Nilrem wrote:
On June 26 2012 12:12 dmnum wrote:
Has anyone been getting matched against a lot of 5 man stacks recently?

For the past two weeks everytime I play I get atleast 4 man stacks and my team is usually me+friend+3 randoms or me+two random friends+two randoms.


Just had a match against a five-man team. We narrowly won, but it does seem to happen. Wasn't there going to be an upcoming patch where we can choose to go against premades or not?


Yes, there is to be a patch soon that let us queue as premade against premades.
We are to design our team logo and all!


Thanks, that sounds awesome. After the 5-man premade team, we went against a 3-man premade team as well. We managed to beat them both, but that is because I think for the most part, they are worse. Think of it like this, if you had a team that were all your level of skill, they would not be going against you since they have the advantage of actual teamwork (which for a team game such as this, it helps a lot).

Now, when I play against team I view it this way; the people I am playing against are worse than many on the random members on my team. But, as a team, they average out to be similar skill level. So, when I see the teams, I realize they will probably have a better overall teamwork than us, but I can (and others) have a good chance of outplaying them. At least, that is how I view it.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
June 26 2012 07:55 GMT
#13171
Generally when I have a big stack, I play for lulz. Sure, it may be a 5 queue but there is a much higher chance of us trolling each other than taking things seriously. I think around low-mid competitive skill, you see a lot of teams in MM who are, as you said above, guys who like the game and play together a lot but aren't necessarily good. Then you have a big gap until you hit the very tippity top and run into the true tryhard stacks like Demon/EG or Aui_2000. Or you get purge stack and have a jolly good time beating him
"I am a leaf on the wind."
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
June 26 2012 10:28 GMT
#13172
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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
June 26 2012 11:35 GMT
#13173
Valve really created an awesome lore. Can't wait for their videos presenting the heroes.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
June 26 2012 11:36 GMT
#13174
On June 26 2012 20:35 SilverStar wrote:
Valve really created an awesome lore. Can't wait for their videos presenting the heroes.

Meet the pyro is coming out tommorow, so they are done with TF2 now xD The videos might have some valve time behind them
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 26 2012 12:06 GMT
#13175
abuse while possible: diffisual purge killing panda ulti.... DERP
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
June 26 2012 12:14 GMT
#13176
On June 26 2012 21:06 NB wrote:
abuse while possible: diffisual purge killing panda ulti.... DERP

I know that is a bug but hasn't that been in ever since Mangix was released? If so why hasn't anybody abused it yet, everybody already abuses smoke jungling.
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 26 2012 12:25 GMT
#13177
buying a 3300 item is harder than buying a 100 item i guess
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
SamuraiSEA
Profile Joined June 2012
Japan89 Posts
June 26 2012 13:04 GMT
#13178
On June 26 2012 19:28 Dattish wrote:
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=35923

Found this gem on /r/Dota2(yes, fully intentional). It's a list of lore and stuff in Dota 2


That was a really interesting read, thanks for sharing ^^
The Great Taste
Profile Joined January 2012
389 Posts
June 26 2012 13:17 GMT
#13179
How is this premade vs premade thing going to work?
Separate MMRs for solo & party matchmaking?
Or equal parties can only get matched up against other such? (e.g. 3stack+2 matches up against 3stack+2)
Or just 5-stacks can only find other 5-stacks? (I see problems with the last one due to long search times though, or uneven matchups)

For myself, it doesn't bother me that 5 randoms can get matched up against a 5-stack, though I can certainly understand where people are coming from. I like the challenge
Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
June 26 2012 15:18 GMT
#13180
On June 26 2012 22:17 The Great Taste wrote:
How is this premade vs premade thing going to work?
Separate MMRs for solo & party matchmaking?
Or equal parties can only get matched up against other such? (e.g. 3stack+2 matches up against 3stack+2)
Or just 5-stacks can only find other 5-stacks? (I see problems with the last one due to long search times though, or uneven matchups)

For myself, it doesn't bother me that 5 randoms can get matched up against a 5-stack, though I can certainly understand where people are coming from. I like the challenge


Hmmm, it seems to me that if you go 5-stack you already have a higher possibility being matched up against another 5-stack. Or at least that seems to be what happens to me whenever I play with 4 friends.

Its not even a question of challenge solo vs stack. But when some guys are on skype/ts, they can play strats that are way harder for randoms to pull off (global ganking for example), not to mention the ability to plan your picks in AP gives a huge advantage over the enemy team. That's why I think 4-5 man groups should be matched up against other 4-5 mans. They shouldn't have a different rating for each group though (SC2 style), since that would be rather useless imho. Just avarege the rating of the players.
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