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Corr

Denmark796 Posts

June 25 2012 09:37 GMT

#13121

On June 25 2012 17:32 Spicy_Curry wrote:

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Doesn't work on Bat Rider afaik. I think it got fixed.

What? Radiance makes any hero carry, especially ones that need to tank up any way :3

Sticky Napalm stacking with Radiance was fixed like one or two versions after he was released, which is years ago.

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

June 25 2012 09:47 GMT

#13122

On June 25 2012 17:55 Firebolt145 wrote:
Why do you need commitment to join an IH league. Just make a few friends.

NO FRIENDS

sandyph

Indonesia1640 Posts

June 25 2012 10:06 GMT

#13123

On June 25 2012 17:36 NB wrote:
hmm... practice the shit outa enchan recently but sadly pubs cant really handle how awesome the hero is... No matter how much kill you earn, how many towers you claim, pubs just cant really watch the mini map and learn space control and read missing correctly. If they can do that somehow, they cant last hit.... Or just having a really shitty hero...

TLDR: enchan isnt a pub stomp hero if you are alone.

I have been winning a lot in DotA2 recently into the point that im now bored... really need to join an IH league, not sure if i have enough commitment though.

Played against an Enchant that goes on killing rampage just because their R is spammable OP pure damage early game, leaving the team carry under leveled and under gear

not to mention he was very loud when he get to triple-monster kill and boasting non-stop on all chat, pretty quiet when we stomp their camp last game though

TLDR: support hero is support, curb your desire and pull out of any last hit for the good of the team

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

June 25 2012 11:18 GMT

#13124

That makes no sense. Doesn't matter who gets the last hit in a kill, in fact it's often times better for the support to get the last hit since they aren't farming anyway. Why on earth would you think being support means stopping attacking a hero. This mentality died some time ago. Getting the kill is all that matters.

cilinder007

Slovenia7251 Posts

June 25 2012 11:34 GMT

#13125

you get same xp no matter who gets the kill....

5-s

United States1674 Posts

June 25 2012 13:21 GMT

#13126

Um, I'd give a rampage to a good enchant any day. You just had a bad one if he wasn't able to carry with that.

SQWKZ

Finland720 Posts

June 25 2012 13:29 GMT

#13127

Shouldn't the carry be able to get farmed regardless of kills happening or not? Kinda hard to flame supports nabbing kills for not getting your items, if people average 50 cs in 20 min on a carry...

ItsMeDomLee

Canada2732 Posts

June 25 2012 14:22 GMT

#13128

Yeah I've stopped feeding my carry the hero kills when I'm support. If anyone gets mad tell them to stfu and buy the wards themselves.

sandyph

Indonesia1640 Posts

June 25 2012 15:13 GMT

#13129

if the carry got hero kill then he got more money then he can get the items faster, pretty straight forward isnt it ?

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

June 25 2012 15:31 GMT

#13130

It hardly influences his farm rate whether he gets the kill or not and his xp is the same as long as he's in the area. Having a support with money for wards or hell boots is far superior than having a carry have his item 30 seconds earlier. At the end of the day it hardly matters who gets it. QQing about something "taking" kills from carry is just stupid.

Dead9

United States4725 Posts

June 25 2012 15:34 GMT

#13131

if a cm/lich/w.e picks up a couple kills they'll die less and they'll have support items up earlier (flying/wards/urn/etc)
if a carry picks up a couple kills they'll have their core items earlier
the most important thing is that the hero actually dies, it really it isn't a big deal who gets the kill

flamewheel

FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts

June 25 2012 15:35 GMT

#13132

The concept of 'letting your carry get all kills' is deprecated. With the introduction of cheaper supportive items such as Urn and Arcane Boots, supports can play an even more integral part in the early parts of games.

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

June 25 2012 16:00 GMT

#13133

The logic of supports getting the kill being actually better is flawed though. It doesn't matter if the carry get's a lot of money anyway, if supports taking gold away from the carry was superior in any way it would be no diferent when talking about creep kills. Suports getting 200 gold from a hero instead of a carry is exactly the same as supports getting 200 gold instead of a carry on creep kills, but you hardly ever see them taking any farm just because a few creep kills won't matter, he will get most of them anyway.

But yes, the whole "stealing kills from a carry" is annoying, you do what it takes to kill. If the AM got all 6 kills in the beginning of the game, great. If not, it isn't such a big deal. The money is never wasted.

ChrisXIV

Austria3553 Posts

June 25 2012 16:45 GMT

#13134

On June 26 2012 01:00 SKC wrote:
The logic of supports getting the kill being actually better is flawed though. It doesn't matter if the carry get's a lot of money anyway, if supports taking gold away from the carry was superior in any way it would be no diferent when talking about creep kills. Suports getting 200 gold from a hero instead of a carry is exactly the same as supports getting 200 gold instead of a carry on creep kills, but you hardly ever see them taking any farm just because a few creep kills won't matter, he will get most of them anyway.

But yes, the whole "stealing kills from a carry" is annoying, you do what it takes to kill. If the AM got all 6 kills in the beginning of the game, great. If not, it isn't such a big deal. The money is never wasted.

Not really...the 200 gold from a hero kill is bonus gold, you can't depend on getting it. Creeps are always there, unless they get denied.

superstartran

United States4013 Posts

June 25 2012 17:00 GMT

#13135

On June 26 2012 00:35 flamewheel wrote:
The concept of 'letting your carry get all kills' is deprecated. With the introduction of cheaper supportive items such as Urn and Arcane Boots, supports can play an even more integral part in the early parts of games.

Depends on who your carry is and what you're running as a line-up. Those cheap items can usually be gotten with assist gold most of the time, and allowing someone like a NS/Bounty Hunter/Snow ballish type hero to get early kills results in them running the game over more times than not if fed enough kills early.

Crissaegrim

2947 Posts

June 25 2012 17:09 GMT

#13136

Well fuck it. I play support most of the time and I hate it when people tell me off for taking kills. I dont actively go around looking to ks but at early game, it is imperative that the enemy hero dies more than who takes the last hit. And that is the thing, supports are usually the stronger heroes game leading to an easier time getting the last hits be it a frost nova off CD or a gush. Regardless, carry should learn how to farm lanes better more than complain if a support gets a kill.

TLDR: I hate it more when I leave the kill for the carry only to have the "guaranteed" kill run away. Pisses me off to no end.