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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 24 2012 18:30 GMT
#13101
On June 25 2012 03:25 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 00:20 TheYango wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 24 2012 22:27 cilinder007 wrote:
why is everyone saying like diffusal is a early game item on spectre, you can get it as a 3rd, 4th item....


snip

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 24 2012 23:16 Corr wrote:
The only scenario where early Diffusal seems like a solid choice is where there's a chance of you losing the game during the additional 4-7 minutes you would need to finish your radiance. This is rather difficult to predict though and you be missing out on the build-up of the blades to avoid making the investment to an inferior item progression early on. If they're knocking on the door to your barracks with an Omni and/or Warlock it might be what turns the tide at that point of the game though.
There's pretty much no pub games that you'll end faster by getting Diffusal over Radiance unless the game was pretty much already decided at the time you're making the decision.

snip


Where can I find 820's guide?

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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
June 24 2012 19:32 GMT
#13102
On June 24 2012 23:03 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 22:25 anonymitylol wrote:
On June 24 2012 22:20 Yoshi- wrote:
You go diffusal if you are winning early game and want to win before game goes late.


Why would you want to end the game early if you're playing Spectre? That doesn't make sense.


If you winning why wait until later to win and not just win at that moment. I think people make the mistake of thinking because they have spec they can win late game regardless of the situation.

This, it seems teams are sometimes too comfortable with their carry. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, Infused played a game quite recently where Wagamama was pwning it up with Spectre HARD. His gold per minute was insane and the game felt over before any major clashes... and then they simply lost. Late game isn't simply decided by which team has the hardest carry.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-24 19:42:49
June 24 2012 19:42 GMT
#13103
Trying to force your way into a well defended base is probally the easiest way to lose an advantage. If you have a team composition that allows you to take it lategame, enjoy the fact you have all the map control you need and outfarm your oponent until you can simply brute force your way in. Isn't that exactly what mTw has been doing with quite a lot of sucess recently? They get a lot of shit for it sometimes, but the logic is sound and the results are there.

Just the fact you are winning doesn't mean you can win at that moment, it's like that in basically every game, not only Dota. Obviously If you are like 20k gold ahead it's another story, at that point basically anything you do works. You also can't take the carry hero and his farm alone as a way to see who has an advantage late game. Each game is diferent, saying you should always try to end early if you are winning is as wrong as saying you should always take it super lategame with a Spectre.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
June 24 2012 20:12 GMT
#13104
On June 25 2012 04:32 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 23:03 Numy wrote:
On June 24 2012 22:25 anonymitylol wrote:
On June 24 2012 22:20 Yoshi- wrote:
You go diffusal if you are winning early game and want to win before game goes late.


Why would you want to end the game early if you're playing Spectre? That doesn't make sense.


If you winning why wait until later to win and not just win at that moment. I think people make the mistake of thinking because they have spec they can win late game regardless of the situation.

This, it seems teams are sometimes too comfortable with their carry. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, Infused played a game quite recently where Wagamama was pwning it up with Spectre HARD. His gold per minute was insane and the game felt over before any major clashes... and then they simply lost. Late game isn't simply decided by which team has the hardest carry.


when ahead, get more ahead!
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
June 24 2012 21:46 GMT
#13105
So, TL.
We discussed what boots to get on Lion.
Now for the eternal question, what do you get on your pudges?
I sometimes go tranquil and sometime phase boots. Depends on how good my first few minutes went.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
June 24 2012 21:51 GMT
#13106
Tranquil when the ms advantage can grant you an early kill in mid, otherwise phase if you're still tempo-carrying after your initial laning. Arcane if you've had limited success laning and find yourself entering midgame too fragile and have to play a more cautious style.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 24 2012 22:29 GMT
#13107
i prefer arcane on pudge simply bc i cant rely on team for mana since mostly i solo queue. tranquil could be cute but urn is the best option imo
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-24 23:32:27
June 24 2012 23:31 GMT
#13108
But you can go tranquil AND urn, it's not like because you go tranquil you can't go urn.
I personally don't like arcane because i find myself with too much mana, i don't feel pudge is mana intensive enough.

I like tranquil because the constant 80 movespeed when you're running between lanes to gank and stuff, it just helps a ton.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
CustomKal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 00:43:17
June 25 2012 00:36 GMT
#13109
Boots of speed into bottle urn into travels =D. I like to tp around and gank a lot to catch them off guard. Make for pretty fast travels which then save me as much money as they cost. If I seriously can't get them I obviously am dying too much and will actually get treads for the life.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
June 25 2012 04:14 GMT
#13110
Corr basically has it the same as me. Phase 90% of the time. If I'm doing bad then most likely arcanes. Even though then I still sometimes just go phase.
Dota 3hard5me
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 25 2012 05:30 GMT
#13111
Urn and Arcanes let you wander the map for so long.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
June 25 2012 05:59 GMT
#13112
I want to play more bat rider.. he feels so underplayed for no reason .
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 25 2012 06:03 GMT
#13113
On June 25 2012 14:59 KillerSOS wrote:
I want to play more bat rider.. he feels so underplayed for no reason .

Because he's stupidly unrewarding for his skill curve. You need a team to depend on in order for him to dominate games.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
June 25 2012 06:59 GMT
#13114
On June 25 2012 15:03 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 14:59 KillerSOS wrote:
I want to play more bat rider.. he feels so underplayed for no reason .

Because he's stupidly unrewarding for his skill curve. You need a team to depend on in order for him to dominate games.

Can't you just go Dagger+Force Staff and win the game by camping outside their base and pulling heroes back to your team ad infinitum ftw?
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 25 2012 07:00 GMT
#13115
On June 25 2012 15:59 CountChocula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 15:03 rabidch wrote:
On June 25 2012 14:59 KillerSOS wrote:
I want to play more bat rider.. he feels so underplayed for no reason .

Because he's stupidly unrewarding for his skill curve. You need a team to depend on in order for him to dominate games.

Can't you just go Dagger+Force Staff and win the game by camping outside their base and pulling heroes back to your team ad infinitum ftw?

Unfortunately it never works out in the end
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
June 25 2012 07:17 GMT
#13116
On June 25 2012 15:03 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 14:59 KillerSOS wrote:
I want to play more bat rider.. he feels so underplayed for no reason .

Because he's stupidly unrewarding for his skill curve. You need a team to depend on in order for him to dominate games.


Well obviously not in low level pubs =/
Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
June 25 2012 08:27 GMT
#13117
Radiance.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
June 25 2012 08:32 GMT
#13118
On June 25 2012 17:27 Corr wrote:
Radiance.


Doesn't work on Bat Rider afaik. I think it got fixed.
High Risk Low Reward
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 25 2012 08:36 GMT
#13119
hmm... practice the shit outa enchan recently but sadly pubs cant really handle how awesome the hero is... No matter how much kill you earn, how many towers you claim, pubs just cant really watch the mini map and learn space control and read missing correctly. If they can do that somehow, they cant last hit.... Or just having a really shitty hero...

TLDR: enchan isnt a pub stomp hero if you are alone.


I have been winning a lot in DotA2 recently into the point that im now bored... really need to join an IH league, not sure if i have enough commitment though.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
June 25 2012 08:55 GMT
#13120
Why do you need commitment to join an IH league. Just make a few friends.
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