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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On September 04 2014 04:55 lprk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 04:50 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
Not in terms of the finals, but throughout the entire event
The finals of ti4 was basically the same as the first 4 games of the ti3 finals without the last game The entire event yeah, I agree. I think the format this year was much better, which helped a ton. The first 4 games of TI 3 finals were way better than TI4 finals. Tons of cool picks and new stuff, carry venge in the first game, mid wisp, bulldog's unbanned bear, Ogre picked for the first time in the entire event in the third game, Nightstalker was also picked for like only the third time in the fourth game. And the games were pretty close, only game 1 and 2 were stomps comparable to Newbee vs VG. No games weren't pretty close, in all first 4 games winner was known around 15 minutes mark at most, and 5th game was only entertaining because neither team played well. And about TI2 buildup, during TI4 NewBee storyline is very simillar to NaVi from TI2 except they won.
You really hate fun, don't you?
And yeah, I feel like most people's favourite teams got eliminated, so they started cheering for VG in the finals and they got rolled over in 4 games with a combined game time of 80 minutes. Then everyone went "well, fuck this shit". Personally I cheered for Mouz, then for Na'Vi, then C9, then EG, then VG. The playoffs were basically one big disappointment.
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On September 04 2014 04:04 BluemoonSC wrote:
you've never won a game bc the enemy team who was impossibly ahead got cocky and threw themselves into your t3's a few too many times? i'd rather be forced to fight until the ancient falls than have the option to bail the moment the game goes bad.
There's a difference between a group of five strangers getting a forfeit option and a team of five professional players getting a forfeit option.
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The only problem with the story is that it was a Chinese team that nobody, including valve, saw fit to frame and present
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On September 04 2014 05:01 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 04:55 lprk wrote:On September 04 2014 04:50 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
Not in terms of the finals, but throughout the entire event
The finals of ti4 was basically the same as the first 4 games of the ti3 finals without the last game The entire event yeah, I agree. I think the format this year was much better, which helped a ton. The first 4 games of TI 3 finals were way better than TI4 finals. Tons of cool picks and new stuff, carry venge in the first game, mid wisp, bulldog's unbanned bear, Ogre picked for the first time in the entire event in the third game, Nightstalker was also picked for like only the third time in the fourth game. And the games were pretty close, only game 1 and 2 were stomps comparable to Newbee vs VG. No games weren't pretty close, in all first 4 games winner was known around 15 minutes mark at most, and 5th game was only entertaining because neither team played well. And about TI2 buildup, during TI4 NewBee storyline is very simillar to NaVi from TI2 except they won. You really hate fun, don't you? And yeah, I feel like most people's favourite teams got eliminated, so they started cheering for VG in the finals and they got rolled over in 4 games with a combined game time of 80 minutes. Then everyone went "well, fuck this shit". Personally I cheered for Mouz, then for Na'Vi, then C9, then EG, then VG. The playoffs were basically one big disappointment.
I cheered for good dota during ti3 and got maybe 2.5 games of it during the main event
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On September 04 2014 05:03 Kupon3ss wrote:
The only problem with the story is that it was a Chinese team that nobody, including valve, saw fit to frame and present
I mean, at least one of the teams was racist.
That's already one thing in common with TI3.
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On September 04 2014 05:01 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 04:55 lprk wrote:On September 04 2014 04:50 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
Not in terms of the finals, but throughout the entire event
The finals of ti4 was basically the same as the first 4 games of the ti3 finals without the last game The entire event yeah, I agree. I think the format this year was much better, which helped a ton. The first 4 games of TI 3 finals were way better than TI4 finals. Tons of cool picks and new stuff, carry venge in the first game, mid wisp, bulldog's unbanned bear, Ogre picked for the first time in the entire event in the third game, Nightstalker was also picked for like only the third time in the fourth game. And the games were pretty close, only game 1 and 2 were stomps comparable to Newbee vs VG. No games weren't pretty close, in all first 4 games winner was known around 15 minutes mark at most, and 5th game was only entertaining because neither team played well. And about TI2 buildup, during TI4 NewBee storyline is very simillar to NaVi from TI2 except they won. You really hate fun, don't you? And yeah, I feel like most people's favourite teams got eliminated, so they started cheering for VG in the finals and they got rolled over in 4 games with a combined game time of 80 minutes. Then everyone went "well, fuck this shit". Personally I cheered for Mouz, then for Na'Vi, then C9, then EG, then VG. The playoffs were basically one big disappointment.
The same thing happens in normal sports. The MLB loves it when the RedSox and Yankees show down in the play offs because it means huge viewership and $$$$. If the Cubs ever make it to the world series again, the rating will be huge. Same with the Super Bowl when fan favorites are there.
Its not a huge shocker that the same rules of hype and viewership apply to Dota and all other Esports.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On September 04 2014 05:04 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 05:01 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:55 lprk wrote:On September 04 2014 04:50 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
Not in terms of the finals, but throughout the entire event
The finals of ti4 was basically the same as the first 4 games of the ti3 finals without the last game The entire event yeah, I agree. I think the format this year was much better, which helped a ton. The first 4 games of TI 3 finals were way better than TI4 finals. Tons of cool picks and new stuff, carry venge in the first game, mid wisp, bulldog's unbanned bear, Ogre picked for the first time in the entire event in the third game, Nightstalker was also picked for like only the third time in the fourth game. And the games were pretty close, only game 1 and 2 were stomps comparable to Newbee vs VG. No games weren't pretty close, in all first 4 games winner was known around 15 minutes mark at most, and 5th game was only entertaining because neither team played well. And about TI2 buildup, during TI4 NewBee storyline is very simillar to NaVi from TI2 except they won. You really hate fun, don't you? And yeah, I feel like most people's favourite teams got eliminated, so they started cheering for VG in the finals and they got rolled over in 4 games with a combined game time of 80 minutes. Then everyone went "well, fuck this shit". Personally I cheered for Mouz, then for Na'Vi, then C9, then EG, then VG. The playoffs were basically one big disappointment. I cheered for good dota during ti3 and got maybe 2.5 games of it
Can you explain that? TI3 was the biggest esports tournament in existence at that time and all teams were preparing for it. But.... there was no good dota played there? I really don't get what you mean.
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I'm more curious as to what games Kupon actually considered to be good.
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On September 04 2014 05:07 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 05:04 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 04 2014 05:01 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:55 lprk wrote:On September 04 2014 04:50 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
Not in terms of the finals, but throughout the entire event
The finals of ti4 was basically the same as the first 4 games of the ti3 finals without the last game The entire event yeah, I agree. I think the format this year was much better, which helped a ton. The first 4 games of TI 3 finals were way better than TI4 finals. Tons of cool picks and new stuff, carry venge in the first game, mid wisp, bulldog's unbanned bear, Ogre picked for the first time in the entire event in the third game, Nightstalker was also picked for like only the third time in the fourth game. And the games were pretty close, only game 1 and 2 were stomps comparable to Newbee vs VG. No games weren't pretty close, in all first 4 games winner was known around 15 minutes mark at most, and 5th game was only entertaining because neither team played well. And about TI2 buildup, during TI4 NewBee storyline is very simillar to NaVi from TI2 except they won. You really hate fun, don't you? And yeah, I feel like most people's favourite teams got eliminated, so they started cheering for VG in the finals and they got rolled over in 4 games with a combined game time of 80 minutes. Then everyone went "well, fuck this shit". Personally I cheered for Mouz, then for Na'Vi, then C9, then EG, then VG. The playoffs were basically one big disappointment. I cheered for good dota during ti3 and got maybe 2.5 games of it Can you explain that? TI3 was the biggest esports tournament in existence at that time and all teams were preparing for it. But.... there was no good dota played there? I really don't get what you mean.
Kupon3ss has very high standards. Like that friend who watches only the most critically acclaimed movies that you watch for the craft of making a firm, but in dota form. Or that guy who is super into coffee to the point where he roasts the beans himself.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On September 04 2014 05:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 05:07 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 05:04 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 04 2014 05:01 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:55 lprk wrote:On September 04 2014 04:50 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
Not in terms of the finals, but throughout the entire event
The finals of ti4 was basically the same as the first 4 games of the ti3 finals without the last game The entire event yeah, I agree. I think the format this year was much better, which helped a ton. The first 4 games of TI 3 finals were way better than TI4 finals. Tons of cool picks and new stuff, carry venge in the first game, mid wisp, bulldog's unbanned bear, Ogre picked for the first time in the entire event in the third game, Nightstalker was also picked for like only the third time in the fourth game. And the games were pretty close, only game 1 and 2 were stomps comparable to Newbee vs VG. No games weren't pretty close, in all first 4 games winner was known around 15 minutes mark at most, and 5th game was only entertaining because neither team played well. And about TI2 buildup, during TI4 NewBee storyline is very simillar to NaVi from TI2 except they won. You really hate fun, don't you? And yeah, I feel like most people's favourite teams got eliminated, so they started cheering for VG in the finals and they got rolled over in 4 games with a combined game time of 80 minutes. Then everyone went "well, fuck this shit". Personally I cheered for Mouz, then for Na'Vi, then C9, then EG, then VG. The playoffs were basically one big disappointment. I cheered for good dota during ti3 and got maybe 2.5 games of it Can you explain that? TI3 was the biggest esports tournament in existence at that time and all teams were preparing for it. But.... there was no good dota played there? I really don't get what you mean. Kupon3ss has very high standards. Like that friend who watches only the most critically acclaimed movies that you watch for the craft of making a firm, but in dota form. Or that guy who is super into coffee to the point where he roasts the beans himself.
But that doesn't even make any sense. I would get that compared to today the plays at TI3 are not as impressive, but back then it was by far the most skilled Dota one could ever see. Kupo sounds like a bitter Chinese dota fanboy if anything, to be honest.
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Good and entertaining dota games are two very different things.
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On September 04 2014 05:15 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 05:12 Plansix wrote:On September 04 2014 05:07 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 05:04 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 04 2014 05:01 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:55 lprk wrote:On September 04 2014 04:50 cecek wrote:On September 04 2014 04:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
Not in terms of the finals, but throughout the entire event
The finals of ti4 was basically the same as the first 4 games of the ti3 finals without the last game The entire event yeah, I agree. I think the format this year was much better, which helped a ton. The first 4 games of TI 3 finals were way better than TI4 finals. Tons of cool picks and new stuff, carry venge in the first game, mid wisp, bulldog's unbanned bear, Ogre picked for the first time in the entire event in the third game, Nightstalker was also picked for like only the third time in the fourth game. And the games were pretty close, only game 1 and 2 were stomps comparable to Newbee vs VG. No games weren't pretty close, in all first 4 games winner was known around 15 minutes mark at most, and 5th game was only entertaining because neither team played well. And about TI2 buildup, during TI4 NewBee storyline is very simillar to NaVi from TI2 except they won. You really hate fun, don't you? And yeah, I feel like most people's favourite teams got eliminated, so they started cheering for VG in the finals and they got rolled over in 4 games with a combined game time of 80 minutes. Then everyone went "well, fuck this shit". Personally I cheered for Mouz, then for Na'Vi, then C9, then EG, then VG. The playoffs were basically one big disappointment. I cheered for good dota during ti3 and got maybe 2.5 games of it Can you explain that? TI3 was the biggest esports tournament in existence at that time and all teams were preparing for it. But.... there was no good dota played there? I really don't get what you mean. Kupon3ss has very high standards. Like that friend who watches only the most critically acclaimed movies that you watch for the craft of making a firm, but in dota form. Or that guy who is super into coffee to the point where he roasts the beans himself. But that doesn't even make any sense. I would get that compared to today the plays at TI3 are not as impressive, but back then it was by far the most skilled Dota one could ever see. Kupo sounds like a bitter Chinese dota fanboy if anything, to be honest.
So what if all the super high quality, Oscar winning dota happened to be played by Chinese teams? That doesn't mean anything.
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the puj fountain hook navi tongfu game is an excellent example of awful, but extremely entertaining dota
My favorite game of ti3 was also game 1 of orange vs navi, which was probably the best overall series at ti3, even if it ended with the second biggest throw in TI history
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I don't think peoples personal opinions on what is quality dota are really worth debating, even if those opinions are said in declarative statements like they are fact. We all like what we like.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
sounds like some of u guys have never spoken to kupo before ^_^
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I have no problems with people liking games that I personally find wastes of time
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Well, some things can be objectified (is that a word?). If a strategy is new, it is objectively more entertaining than something you've seen multiple times already, etc. But let's not get into that, who gives a shit.
I'm starting to lose track of all the new rosters. I was watching highlights from NVMI vs Hellraisers and was wondering which of the players is Vigoss. Took me a while until I figured out that Vigoss is playing in Moscow5 with PGG, not in Hellraisers with ArtStyle.
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Complaints about the meta aside, I for one am glad that we get to see a lot of earthshaker picks these days.
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I think Earthshaker should be steered towards more of a core role. Nerf Fissure, buff Enchant Totem. Crits for days.
I'm only slightly sarcastic here.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
It's already kind of happening, isn't it? I don't know the exact stats, but wasn't shaker played more as a core than as a support at TI4? The crits don't really matter, but with a lot of levels and a very quick dagger, the shaker is devastating.
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