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Crissaegrim
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On June 13 2012 19:30 sandyph wrote: isnt max level is 4x crit damage which is 400% and phantom strike make you attack 4 time per seconds at max 15% chance of 4x crit is still only a 60% increase. And for a level 3 ultimate that's meh. CKs crit is a 30% dps increase. For a regular skill. Then we have rikis backstab which, most of the time is a 60~80% DPS increase. And no, phantom strike adds 100 attack speed for 4 attacks. I just feel she's lackluster in almost everything. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
.85 * 1 + .15 * 4 ck's is 20% .9 * 1 + .1 * 3 juggernaut has the next best crit at 35% bonus damage .65 * 1 + .35 * 2 | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On June 13 2012 19:40 Unleashing wrote: 15% chance of 4x crit is still only a 60% increase. And for a level 3 ultimate that's meh. CKs crit is a 30% dps increase. For a regular skill. Then we have rikis backstab which, most of the time is a 60~80% DPS increase. And no, phantom strike adds 100 attack speed for 4 attacks. I just feel she's lackluster in almost everything. the phantom strike make sense though for the ultimate I read it as : there's a 15% chance that the attack will do 4x damage so, if let say the damage is 100 and she attack 2 time per second the chances for her dps will be 200 (no crit), 500(1 crit 1 normal) or 800 (2 crit) is this not correct ? edit. according to playdota, phantom strike is 100% bonus attack speed, not 100. so at the minimum she will get 100 IAS, but if you have any item which increase attack speed then it will also be added into the phantom strike bonus (with mjolnir, her attack speed will be 360 from 180 instead of 280) | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On June 13 2012 19:46 Dead9 wrote: it's 45% dps increase .85 * 1 + .15 * 4 ck's is 20% .9 * 1 + .1 * 3 juggernaut has the next best crit at 35% bonus damage .65 * 1 + .35 * 2 Ah yea, too early in the morning for math for me it appears. My point was, it's a very mediocre DPS increase. On June 13 2012 19:49 sandyph wrote: the phantom strike make sense though for the ultimate I read it as : there's a 15% chance that the attack will do 4x damage so, if let say the damage is 100 and she attack 2 time per second the chances for her dps will be 200 (no crit), 500(1 crit 1 normal) or 800 (2 crit) is this not correct ? edit. according to playdota, phantom strike is 100% bonus attack speed, not 100. so at the minimum she will get 100 IAS, but if you have any item which increase attack speed then it will also be added into the phantom strike bonus (with mjolnir, her attack speed will be 360 from 180 instead of 280) That's not how DPS works. You calculate average DPS, not theoretical DPS in a WHAT IF situation. Overall as stated above, it's a 45% dps increase. I mean theoretically you could crit in 10 hits in a row and then have the highest dps in the game. Or you could go a whole teamfight with no crits at all. That's why you judge a skill from the average contribution is does, as in, the average DPS increase it will add. And that's not how attack speed works either: http://www.playdota.com/mechanics/attackspeed "Attack speed is represented in game as a number, usually with a percentage sign (%), but sometimes not. Regardless of whether a percentage sign is included or not, the attack speed acts the same." "All sources of IAS stack additively, if a hero has 30 Agility, a Hand of Midas, and is affected by a Shiva's Guard aura from an enemy unit, the hero will have 30+30-25=35 total IAS." Just like BM aura, it says 40% increasd attack speed, but what it really does is just +40 IAS. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
Real man do rapier rush and stack multiply aegis. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On June 13 2012 22:21 Yoshi- wrote: After? pff Real man do rapier rush and stack multiply aegis. I prefer one hitting teams rather than heroes but to each his own | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
On June 13 2012 23:27 Dead9 wrote: dont worry im rly good at math i've always wondered, does morphling's morph work when hit by AA's ult? pls explain in detail | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
in dota 1 aa ult works like this 1. store your hp value 2. wait .1 seconds or so 3. check your hp value. if it is greater than the value stored in step 1, set it to the value stored in step 1 4. go to step 1 so no sources of hp regen or healing work fun thing you can do is swap treads over and over while aa ult is on you you die really fast anyways that was a mechanics question not a math one lol | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 13 2012 23:45 Dead9 wrote: no, it used to in dota 2 but it was fixed semi-recently in dota 1 aa ult works like this 1. store your hp value 2. wait .1 seconds or so 3. check your hp value. if it is greater than the value stored in step 1, set it to the value stored in step 1 4. go to step 1 so no sources of hp regen or healing work fun thing you can do is swap treads over and over while aa ult is on you you die really fast anyways that was a mechanics question not a math one lol Related: If Treads swapping puts you below the AA ult shatter threshold, does that deny yourself, or does it wait until the next actual damage source before you shatter? | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
On June 13 2012 23:45 Dead9 wrote: no, it used to in dota 2 but it was fixed semi-recently in dota 1 aa ult works like this 1. store your hp value 2. wait .1 seconds or so 3. check your hp value. if it is greater than the value stored in step 1, set it to the value stored in step 1 4. go to step 1 so no sources of hp regen or healing work fun thing you can do is swap treads over and over while aa ult is on you you die really fast anyways that was a mechanics question not a math one lol I was semi trolling, about 100 pages ago we had several pages dedicated to this question. Not quite as long as 'ursa OP' but it was one of the big controversies of this thread. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On June 14 2012 00:56 Erasme wrote: And as Pudge, if you're hit by aa's ult and rot yourself to death, is it a suicide ? Yes :C | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On June 14 2012 00:52 TheYango wrote: Related: If Treads swapping puts you below the AA ult shatter threshold, does that deny yourself, or does it wait until the next actual damage source before you shatter? next damage source and u die to aa would make sense but dota doesn't make sense so i'm not really sure lol edit: pudge can't deny himself in dota 1, it's probably a bug in dota 2 | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On June 14 2012 00:52 TheYango wrote: Related: If Treads swapping puts you below the AA ult shatter threshold, does that deny yourself, or does it wait until the next actual damage source before you shatter? You won't damage yourself by tread switching, so no. | ||
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