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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 12 2012 15:29 GMT
#12521
On June 12 2012 15:47 Kipsate wrote:
Lina CK fun fun fun

let's do this at some point
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 15:59:36
June 12 2012 15:55 GMT
#12522
I feel like Lion is fairly underused with the new buff to hex(4 seconds is pretty frigging huge), only problem is that Lion has no Anti-Push(Impale requires you to be fairly close to the creepwave) but I feel like he is being overlooked a bit, against Morphling he would actually be a great pick imo aswell as against the ow so popular QoP.
WriterXiao8~~
AbuseYouMerc
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands171 Posts
June 12 2012 16:09 GMT
#12523
EU servers down btw? :/
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 16:19:37
June 12 2012 16:18 GMT
#12524
The problem with Lion is laning. You only have two options, solo mid or tri lane. As support he dishes out too little dmg since level 6 is slow and impale starts low, thus he is fooder early game. As solo mid he does well, yet compare him to SS or QoP.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 12 2012 16:19 GMT
#12525
lich ck mid is automatic lost lane unless you fail it or they come and gank you multiple times. against strong dual or tris CK lina or CK AA more preferable


On June 13 2012 00:55 Kipsate wrote:
I feel like Lion is fairly underused with the new buff to hex(4 seconds is pretty frigging huge), only problem is that Lion has no Anti-Push(Impale requires you to be fairly close to the creepwave) but I feel like he is being overlooked a bit, against Morphling he would actually be a great pick imo aswell as against the ow so popular QoP.

theres more than a problem, he has squishy issues and isnt a reliable core because hes dependent on levels, so you can only peg him at the 3 or 4 position, but in most team comps other heroes have priority on the 4 position most notably es and chen, while putting him on the 3 position means playing him as a semicarry where i think heroes like WR, DS, rhasta, BM are much more useful and reliable to have. maybe we'll see him more because of CK, but other than that i dont think hes really overlooked at all because he still is picked wisely sometimes
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 16:22:00
June 12 2012 16:21 GMT
#12526
On June 13 2012 01:09 AbuseYouMerc wrote:
EU servers down btw? :/

it just took me like 30minutes to find a game O.o

and yeah I guess Lion is fairly level dependant and needs some form of farm.
WriterXiao8~~
uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 18:38:25
June 12 2012 18:37 GMT
#12527
Sorry wrong thread.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
June 12 2012 18:38 GMT
#12528
Wrong forum i guess?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 12 2012 18:42 GMT
#12529
In regards to Lion, there's also the fact that he has weak AoE (1 spell, long-ish cd), meaning that not only is he a weak counter-pusher, but he also farms slowly when he's behind, meaning that if you don't have a good early game, it's hard to catch up.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 12 2012 19:04 GMT
#12530
And Shadow Shaman is better than him in every way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
June 12 2012 19:07 GMT
#12531
Imo Lina is a better pickup than Lion. Less disable, much better creep-clearing abilities, easier to quickly farm, more of an impact in mid-late game teamfights (through more damage). Plus her passive can actually be pretty awesome, the increased mobility in a teamfight (and drastically increased right click) is very important.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
June 12 2012 19:25 GMT
#12532
you wrote less dissable like its a better thing :D, it depends what your lineup needs more, if you lack dissable lion is a better pickup than lina
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
June 12 2012 20:10 GMT
#12533
--- Nuked ---
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 12 2012 20:41 GMT
#12534
I refuse to run support Lion. Any Lion I play definitely goes mid.

Also Arcane Boots -> Dagger leaves you with like 800 HP yeesh.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
June 12 2012 20:46 GMT
#12535
why would you get arcanes on lion
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 21:14:51
June 12 2012 21:05 GMT
#12536
On June 13 2012 05:46 cilinder007 wrote:
why would you get arcanes on lion

What else are you going to get? Naked Lion at level 11 doesn't have the mana to use Impale (4), Hex (1), and Finger of Death (2).

Edit: I've assumed a "best case scenario" where you only have one level of Hex. If you've maxed Hex by 11 then you definitely don't have mana to support.

And to preempt some banal responses:

"You can get Null Talisman(s)" -> why would you get null talismans on lion
"You have Mana Regen from Bottle or Wand" -> still not enough to pull off combo
"You can use Mana Drain" -> Yeah stand there and suck somebody dry when the intent is to solo kill an enemy hero
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
June 12 2012 21:11 GMT
#12537
add a magic wand and treads and he does
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 12 2012 21:16 GMT
#12538
On June 13 2012 06:11 cilinder007 wrote:
add a magic wand and treads and he does

why would you get treads on lion
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 21:19:54
June 12 2012 21:18 GMT
#12539
On June 13 2012 06:11 cilinder007 wrote:
add a magic wand and treads and he does

Wait, so in order to not buy Arcane Boots, you'd rather force yourself to only ever be able to pull off a full combo when you have like 10 wand charges stacked?

That seems...odd. Especially since its not like Treads actually do that much more for Lion, since you're not going to be right-clicking people to death.

The only alternative I can really see to Arcanes is Tranquils.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 21:22:07
June 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#12540
Non-STR treads on non-STR, non-AS heroes are just... bad. Say you're an INT hero. If you want damage, the +8 damage is measly compared to +24 from Phase. If you want mana, the +104 (8*13) mana you get from INT treads pales in comparison to the +250 mana and +(135-25)/45s mana regeneration you get from Arcanes. If you want HP, get a bracer and turn it into a Janggo.

Or get STR treads. Then you don't get any mana.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
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