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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On June 12 2012 21:35 Unleashing wrote: Hm i've been wondering. Why don't people pcik up lion against morphling if they have a carry that they don't want replicated? Mana drain instantly pops illus after all. Shotgun morph instantly pops lion after all | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
On June 12 2012 21:35 Unleashing wrote: Hm i've been wondering. Why don't people pcik up lion against morphling if they have a carry that they don't want replicated? Mana drain instantly pops illus after all. One ability from Lion countering one ability from morphling doesn't a counter make. | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
On June 12 2012 21:54 Firebolt145 wrote: One ability from Lion countering one ability from morphling doesn't a counter make. Well you can put Lion also against Morphling in the lane which counters morphling too till he has more range and can stun -> drain, you know bro? Now put also an iniator on that lane and morph gonna shit bricks. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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dtz
5834 Posts
On June 12 2012 21:59 D4V3Z02 wrote: Well you can put Lion also against Morphling in the lane which counters morphling too till he has more range and can stun -> drain, you know bro? Now put also an iniator on that lane and morph gonna shit bricks. Technically this might be right. But if a team is hell bent on protecting their morph, they will put him on a safe lane where his support can pull ( deward the pull camp if it was blocked) and the lion won't be able to do anything except by having a trilane on their own. But, a morph trilane is the strongest trilane around. Very seldom do teams contest a morph trilane. Usually they just give up the fact that the morph is gonna be farmed and instead focus on protecting their own carry and making sure he has a good time. That's why you see so many AM Morph farm fest. Most of the time, it's nearly impossible to gimp morph's farm.You might end up feeding him instead on top of the free farm that he has. I think a trilane versus trilane is really rare nowadays anyway because the one in the safe lane is gonna win most of the times with pulls and what not. So most teams don't bother unless they have solo mid furion or AA or clock or something to assist their trilane. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On June 12 2012 21:54 Firebolt145 wrote: One ability from Lion countering one ability from morphling doesn't a counter make. I wasn't talking about a counter. I just feel that lion is a good support that isn't picked enough in the EU scene. You can pick lion as a support if you don't want to have to use a hex on the illusions. Lion has two abilities that instant removes illus. I just feel he's underused, that is all. Your point being? Shotgun morphs instantly pops most supports. I'm not talking about putting the lion in the lane against morph, i'm talking about picking lion as a part of your lineup, having his abilities work against morph illu is just a plus. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
And if you for whatever reason still prefer treads, make sure to use int treads. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
On June 12 2012 20:44 5-s wrote: Treads or phase is pretty standard. Treads is generally better for late game, whereas phase helps you catch more people with reality. Bottle + stick + urn is plenty if you manage your mana right, can add a drums if needed. Bottle and urn don't help mid fight though. Your combo uses up your full mana pool if you don't have any buffer for it. If a fight extends long enough then you can't really cast anything again. Janngo is a good idea though. Sometimes I forget how awesome *cough OP cough* it is. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
On June 12 2012 22:35 Yoshi- wrote: Never get treads on CK absolute nonsense. And if you for whatever reason still prefer treads, make sure to use int treads. It's definitely not a 'never ever'. And switch the treads between all 3 attributes is always the way to go. | ||
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The Great Taste
389 Posts
On June 12 2012 22:25 Unleashing wrote: I wasn't talking about a counter. I just feel that lion is a good support that isn't picked enough in the EU scene. You can pick lion as a support if you don't want to have to use a hex on the illusions. Lion has two abilities that instant removes illus. I just feel he's underused, that is all. Your point being? Shotgun morphs instantly pops most supports. I'm not talking about putting the lion in the lane against morph, i'm talking about picking lion as a part of your lineup, having his abilities work against morph illu is just a plus. Lion needs to level up fast. His spells are very weak until say level 5-6. Because of this: 1) If used as a support, he doesn't get levels fast and can be easily a liability early. Most other supports are a lot more effective early. 2) If used as a farmer (say solo mid) he can get dominated in lane early on because he needs these levels so much. Strong solo mid heroes or dual lanes will destroy him. I suppose you could consider dual-laning with him (say Lion/ES like the common AA/ES lane) but then you leech a bit of XP away from him and he's still weak early. Of course, he's a very strong counter to AM and I suppose Morph with his 2 disables, but I think the risk of him getting dominated early could put you at a big disadvantage that is not worth it. He's not particularly suited to the current metagame either, as he doesn't have counter-push or pushing abilities. Lion has been played a few times in pro games (I'm guessing purely for the fact an AM was on the other team and they were lacking disables). What you noted is a neat and often overlooked point of 'Drain' spells, maybe he could be a good pickup against Morph. It all depends on his early game I think. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On June 12 2012 22:40 Firebolt145 wrote: It's definitely not a 'never ever'. And switch the treads between all 3 attributes is always the way to go. Treads is useless, you can neither chase properly nor use your combo more than once. The attackspeed is good in later stages of the game, but CK is so good early to mid game. No reason to throw that at away just for late game. Also phase are just so superior on him, he has insane starting movement speed, with phase he is way faster than anyother hero. Similar to a WEX invoker. The stats switching is maybe quite handy, but get heavily outshined by phase or mana from arcance | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
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The Great Taste
389 Posts
On June 12 2012 22:40 Firebolt145 wrote: It's definitely not a 'never ever'. And switch the treads between all 3 attributes is always the way to go. I don't understand why it is absolute nonsense. Treads is good on almost every hero (bar Tinker who needs travels). It may not be *best* for some of them, but it's good because it gives a good str bonus without taking up an extra slot. I've only seen treads on CK in pro games. He's quite fast already and usually you get Janggo anyway so phase isn't really needed. Arcane isn't great if you play him as a semi-carry (which he usually is played as). With that Str bonus he is so tanky early game. EDIT: In response to post a bit above me, you have a chasing ability already in Reality Rift which has a huge cast range and your stun lasts for quite long. If you catch someone with a Rift/Stun combo and at least 1 teammate is around they aren't getting away. I don't think he benefits as much from even more MS like Q/W Invoker he can stand and fight most of the time and as mentioned Rift is already plenty chasing power IMO. | ||
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Ramanujan
137 Posts
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
On June 12 2012 23:42 Ramanujan wrote: Haven't played dota 2 for two months and now when I play I seem to have some kind of annoying delay, despite good ping and fps. It feels like my hero is walking through mud. Is it some new kind of feature or something? Sounds like a bug: http://dev.dota2.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23 | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On June 12 2012 23:42 Ramanujan wrote: Haven't played dota 2 for two months and now when I play I seem to have some kind of annoying delay, despite good ping and fps. It feels like my hero is walking through mud. Is it some new kind of feature or something? Its the dota2 servers I think | ||
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
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Cocacooh
Norway1510 Posts
On June 13 2012 00:12 [17]Purple wrote: Who do you think, out of the three heroes, will have the most impact in CM? I would like to see all of them, especially gyro. I think CK will have the most impact, I know hes played in dota 1 and I've heard so much about this lina/ck combo that I need to see it! | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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