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Jaaaaasper
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Plansix
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teddyoojo
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
We get that shit all the time at trial where people claim "they were in contact with the opposition" which amounts to them making a bunch of requests our clients aren't able to grant and then claiming they were trying to work something out. But the court eats it up, just like reddit. I don't dislike Fnatic, but I wish people wouldn't take these press releases at 100% fact. The sole purpose of the press release and its length is to convince you that Fnatic did everything right and Valve is being unreasonable, which may or may not be true. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
On June 27 2014 08:39 Jaaaaasper wrote: Fnatic waited way too long. EG had this set up with valve months ago, Fnatic waited till the last minute and wants le reddit lynch mob to cover their fuck up. At least it isn't a team with a chance of going far getting booted. Good to know that if a player has a car accident from this point onwards that leaves him unable to move at all, his team gets DQed for "being too late" to announce a replacement. Shit should have been planned in advance you know, | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
in other news 2gd is at 5.1k | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 27 2014 10:08 SpiZe wrote: Good to know that if a player has a car accident from this point onwards that leaves him unable to move at all, his team gets DQed for "being too late" to announce a replacement. Shit should have been planned in advance you know, Except that isn't close to what happened at all and we don't know how Valve would treat that. There was nothing unforeseen about this. So your pretty much wrong is almost every way. On June 27 2014 10:09 Erasme wrote: dang in other news 2gd is at 5.1k And he is still a scummy bastard. A likeable bastard, but a bastard non-the-less. 8/10, but would not introduce him to my fiancee. | ||
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Mecha King Ghidorah
United States595 Posts
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Kuroeeah
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On June 27 2014 10:08 SpiZe wrote: Good to know that if a player has a car accident from this point onwards that leaves him unable to move at all, his team gets DQed for "being too late" to announce a replacement. Shit should have been planned in advance you know, Because this is clearly the exact same situation. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
On June 27 2014 10:13 Plansix wrote: Except that isn't close to what happened at all and we don't know how Valve would treat that. There was nothing unforeseen about this. So your pretty much wrong is almost every way. According to Fnatic (according to Fnatic), there had been no problem with Era's health after the D2L. He went to Starladder and DH and did not show any signs of illness so he appeared stable and everyone though he would play every other tournament. Signs starts repearing after DH, (so start of June). So I would argue that it was unforseen. Fnatic says they contacted Valve when Era left the bootcamp, ( and announced by the same fact that he would not play The Summit), I do not know what this is but I assume the team started to look for a standin after and apparently they had 2 days to train with xcalibur so I don't know where that brings us on the timeline, but I don't think fnatic lost time finding a standin after they knew Era couldn't play Summit. EDIT : of course it isnt the same situation, change it to "if a player develops an illness from this point onwards that leaves him unable to play" if you prefer... | ||
TheEmulator
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Although if it's party MMR then it doesn't count. If it's solo, then thumbs up dude  | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 27 2014 10:29 SpiZe wrote: According to Fnatic (according to Fnatic), there had been no problem with Era's health after the D2L. He went to Starladder and DH and did not show any signs of illness so he appeared stable and everyone though he would play every other tournament. Signs starts repearing after DH, (so start of June). So I would argue that it was unforseen. Fnatic says they contacted Valve when Era left the bootcamp, ( and announced by the same fact that he would not play The Summit), I do not know what this is but I assume the team started to look for a standin after and apparently they had 2 days to train with xcalibur so I don't know where that brings us on the timeline, but I don't think fnatic lost time finding a standin after they knew Era couldn't play Summit. EDIT : of course it isnt the same situation, change it to "if a player develops an illness from this point onwards that leaves him unable to play" if you prefer... The problem is that you're assuming Fnatic did everything within their power to let Valve know this was a legitimate medical concern. For all we know, their manager emailed the Valve contact with a statement that amounted to "Era has been throwing up at bootcamp, we think it's anxiety problems, he won't be playing in the next 2 months". Which, quite frankly, would not fly. If they got a doctor's professional diagnosis, and it showed that Era would be unfit for travel/competition within the TI4 timeframe, and Valve still rejected it, then that would be something worth bitching about. But making some blanket statement and pretending Valve is just an ultimate hard-ass trying to make fanboys cry is just stupid. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
On June 27 2014 12:36 WolfintheSheep wrote: Oh I don't assume anything of the sort, I'm just arguing against the "fnatic contacted Valve too late for their standin to be accepted". I don't know anything about Valve and Fnatic exchange, hell Valve refusal might even be warranted. I just think the "too late" argument is stupid, that's all I'm saying.The problem is that you're assuming Fnatic did everything within their power to let Valve know this was a legitimate medical concern. For all we know, their manager emailed the Valve contact with a statement that amounted to "Era has been throwing up at bootcamp, we think it's anxiety problems, he won't be playing in the next 2 months". Which, quite frankly, would not fly. If they got a doctor's professional diagnosis, and it showed that Era would be unfit for travel/competition within the TI4 timeframe, and Valve still rejected it, then that would be something worth bitching about. But making some blanket statement and pretending Valve is just an ultimate hard-ass trying to make fanboys cry is just stupid. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
HGT replaced KaKa 2 weeks before the qualifiers due to illness. And it was said they were allowed to because they provided documentation. Although I personally don't think the time frame really matters and as long as the teams will handle any flights/visas for replaced players (up to a maximum of 2) and can provide proof of a valid reason for not being able to attend, then they should be allowed to up until like 2 days before. And if we make some assumptions based on their message, it seems they contacted Valve around the 15th of May. Which is by no means early but it's also not that late. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On June 27 2014 10:50 TheEmulator wrote: Not surprised 2GD is 5.1k MMR. Wasn't he good at some FPS games in his past? Although if it's party MMR then it doesn't count. If it's solo, then thumbs up dude nah its solo | ||
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Kuroeeah
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Cause of CIS's visa issues I have doubts they'll be able to attend either so on a more light hearted Team Liquid is BACK, #DemonDota #Proteinpower #USA | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
http://www.esl-one.com/dota2/frankfurt-2014/ | ||
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