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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 26 2014 21:38 GMT
#115321
dh bm tinker
triforce
to slay all the orcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 26 2014 21:42 GMT
#115322
Website crashed by anxious fnatic fans
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Mecha King Ghidorah
Profile Joined April 2014
United States595 Posts
June 26 2014 21:43 GMT
#115323
No Dota, 2 more weeks until I come back from vacation. >_<
☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
June 26 2014 21:44 GMT
#115324
It says Era has health problem, mental health problem since January. His doctor told him to not play games or travel to relieve stress. Fnatic was in constant contact with Valve during the year but they don't want to see any player other than the 5 onvited. TI situation unknown for fnactic
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
June 26 2014 21:49 GMT
#115325
Something seems missing from that fnatic story.
Once you Goblak...
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
June 26 2014 21:50 GMT
#115326
What do you mean?
But does it djent?
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
June 26 2014 21:51 GMT
#115327
Can someone copy paste w/e is on that site. It wont let me view it for some reason.
Skol
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 26 2014 21:51 GMT
#115328
rip fnatic ti4 dream
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 21:53:27
June 26 2014 21:52 GMT
#115329
On June 27 2014 06:49 teapoted wrote:
Something seems missing from that fnatic story.

Pretty much this.

There's no way Valve take that stance based on only what has been shared by Fnatic.
Edit:
On June 27 2014 06:51 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone copy paste w/e is on that site. It wont let me view it for some reason.

From the fnatic discussion thread:
On June 27 2014 06:35 weak0r wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Provided here is an account of the events in the past half year, based on what has unfolded within the team The purpose of this post is to establish an understanding of our current circumstances and how it came to be. We feel that we owe this statement to the Dota 2 community and our loyal fans. The details disclosed are permitted by Era.

Early this year (January – April)

As many already know, Adrian ‘Era’ Kryeziu has not been participating in recent tournaments due to health issues. As some might remember, the first LAN that Era refrained from playing was the D2L Season 4 LAN Finals in Las Vegas, NV in January of this year. To the rest of the team, this came as a big surprise as there had been no prior indication of sickness (at the very least, Era had never mentioned this before). Our team managed to get 2nd place with two stand-ins. This feat in itself demonstrates the level of commitment and dedication we have to the game.

Later that month, we participated in SLTV’s Starladder Season 8 LAN Finals in Kiev. Era did not exhibit any noticeable health issues and did not voice any concerns. We felt that things were back to normal. Fast forward to April, Dreamhack Bucharest LAN Finals. Again, Era was fully able to travel and appeared normal. However, the rest of the team was completely unaware that Era’s health condition had taken a turn for the worse.

Bootcamp (May- June)

In our preparations for this year’s The International, we were planning on bootcamping in London, the location of Fnatic’s headquarter office. I flew there after DHBucharest, while the remaining four members were to follow suit in late May. Shortly before our scheduled arrival date, we were informed by management that Era would be arriving a few days later than planned. There was an unforeseen relapse in his health condition, and he would be accompanied by his girlfriend and her parents. When he finally arrived, he was not the Era that the team had come to know and love as a brother; he was not himself—he was vomiting every day from anxiety attacks for the short duration of his stay, which was less than a week. He later explained to us that panic attacks would arise every time he had to travel. His condition forced him to return home shortly after his arrival.

The moment that Era left for home, we immediately informed Valve of our circumstances. At the same time, we searched for a stand-in for BeyondTheSummit’s The Summit LAN Finals in Los Angeles, CA. Of course, we considered the possibility of a more extended leave of absence from Era, which is why we chose Steve ‘Xcalibur’ Ye. We were looking for a talented player who could synergize with our team and had the potential to grow, but would also have a completely clear schedule, as none of us knew when Era would fully recover. At the time, Xcalibur felt like the best shot we had.

As we have explained in many interviews, we only had two short days to train with Xcalibur before flying out to BTS. Even with a bleak outlook, we managed to beat arguably one of the strongest teams to date, DK, as well as ViciGaming, who took 1st at EMS, and Na’Vi.US, the winners of TI4’s US Qualifiers. Yes, we were disappointed with 5th/6th place, but given the time we had to prepare, the team felt Xcalibur had raw skill that had the potential to achieve great results with some guidance.

With DreamLeague Season 1 around the corner and ESL One later this month, there were decisions that had to be made, and quickly. Time was not a luxury we had. At this point, we were emphasizing communication on all channels—between Valve, future tournament admins, Era and his family, Era’s doctor, and Fnatic’s upper management. Although we were quite depressed as a team, we could not even begin to imagine Era’s position. His doctor had advised him to avoid games for some time to relieve some anxiety and pressure, so we could not practice with him, even from his home. This would inherently diminish our chances at LANs, so we did not know how to proceed. On the other hand, Era wanted so much to compete with the rest of the team, but the world was against him. This frustration led to his tweet where he states “Not allowed to play at any LAN during the summer. I would’ve loved to, though”. In the end, we hoped to get more practice with Xcalibur while giving Era more room for recovery.

After DreamLeague, we reassessed the situation. Again, Era and his doctor were voicing concerns and again, we were unsure if he would be ready to participate at ESL One, and the fast approaching The International.

As many have seen, we have been playing the past month with Xcalibur. We have beaten Na’Vi in a best-of-three and Alliance in a best-of-five, culminating in a 3rd place finish in D2L Western Challenge and 2nd place in D2CL Season 3, respectively this past week. As mentioned before, we have taken games off other top teams, including DK, VG, and Empire.

The International

It is important to note that we have been in constant communication with Valve from the very beginning. We have kept them informed of our situation and Era’s recovery progress, however slow it has been. Valve consistently stated that those five players that were originally invited to play (namely, Fly, N0tail, Era, Trixi, H4nn1) remain the five players expected to be present in Seattle.

Even though we understood Valve’s position, we appealed to them, stating that our circumstances were starkly different from prior roster changes, as Era’s health condition was unforeseen and has been inconsistent thus far. This is not carpal tunnel or a broken finger. Era’s health condition is psychological in nature and, if not handled correctly, can have detrimental effects extending into his adult years. This is a risk no one wants to take, least of all Era. We want to be 100% confident in Era and his condition. Nevertheless, Valve insists that the original five players play or we cannot play at all.

What Now…

As we approach TI4, we are at a crossroads—to play with Era without knowing if we are damaging his health, or to be disqualified. To play with Era would also mean extreme lack of preparation. We have not been practicing as the original five for some time now because of everything recounted in this post. As such, even if we were once able to perform on that level fans love and crave, we cannot reproduce this performance without practice and preparation.

It is Era’s goal to participate in The International (and our hope); we support Era and hope to see him play alongside us, but in the event that something should happen, we would still like to be granted the opportunity to compete to show our Dota 2 fans and community that same level of commitment and dedication we have to the game.

Thank you for taking the time to read our story. Thanks to friends and family who have stood by us during this difficult time, and to our unwavering fans. We hope to see you all in Seattle!

Sincerely,

Fnatic Dota 2:

Tal ‘Fly’ Aizik
Johan ‘N0tail’ Sundstein
Kai ‘H4nn1’ Hanbueckers
Kalle ‘Trixi’ Saarinen
Adrian ‘Era’ Kryeziu
Patrik Sättermon
Sahil Deva


Statement in Spoiler
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 26 2014 21:55 GMT
#115330
it is fucking retarded that they wouldnt allow fnatic with xcalibur
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 22:00:06
June 26 2014 21:56 GMT
#115331
I don't buy that they could under no circumstances play with a stand-in for a player who can prove a medical condition with some sort of official notice months in advance.

Granted it's somewhat different from EG since EG wasn't playing with fear when they got the invite even.

Valve only does things like this to prove a point (like with LGD). And there's no point to be made here since there's precedence for having a stand-in for a player who's unable to play. The only thing they would be doing is pissing people off and giving the illusion of favoritism.

It's a lose-lose-lose, and Valve isn't that stupid.
Once you Goblak...
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 26 2014 21:58 GMT
#115332
On June 27 2014 06:52 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 06:49 teapoted wrote:
Something seems missing from that fnatic story.

Pretty much this.

There's no way Valve take that stance based on only what has been shared by Fnatic.
Edit:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 06:51 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone copy paste w/e is on that site. It wont let me view it for some reason.

From the fnatic discussion thread:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 06:35 weak0r wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Provided here is an account of the events in the past half year, based on what has unfolded within the team The purpose of this post is to establish an understanding of our current circumstances and how it came to be. We feel that we owe this statement to the Dota 2 community and our loyal fans. The details disclosed are permitted by Era.

Early this year (January – April)

As many already know, Adrian ‘Era’ Kryeziu has not been participating in recent tournaments due to health issues. As some might remember, the first LAN that Era refrained from playing was the D2L Season 4 LAN Finals in Las Vegas, NV in January of this year. To the rest of the team, this came as a big surprise as there had been no prior indication of sickness (at the very least, Era had never mentioned this before). Our team managed to get 2nd place with two stand-ins. This feat in itself demonstrates the level of commitment and dedication we have to the game.

Later that month, we participated in SLTV’s Starladder Season 8 LAN Finals in Kiev. Era did not exhibit any noticeable health issues and did not voice any concerns. We felt that things were back to normal. Fast forward to April, Dreamhack Bucharest LAN Finals. Again, Era was fully able to travel and appeared normal. However, the rest of the team was completely unaware that Era’s health condition had taken a turn for the worse.

Bootcamp (May- June)

In our preparations for this year’s The International, we were planning on bootcamping in London, the location of Fnatic’s headquarter office. I flew there after DHBucharest, while the remaining four members were to follow suit in late May. Shortly before our scheduled arrival date, we were informed by management that Era would be arriving a few days later than planned. There was an unforeseen relapse in his health condition, and he would be accompanied by his girlfriend and her parents. When he finally arrived, he was not the Era that the team had come to know and love as a brother; he was not himself—he was vomiting every day from anxiety attacks for the short duration of his stay, which was less than a week. He later explained to us that panic attacks would arise every time he had to travel. His condition forced him to return home shortly after his arrival.

The moment that Era left for home, we immediately informed Valve of our circumstances. At the same time, we searched for a stand-in for BeyondTheSummit’s The Summit LAN Finals in Los Angeles, CA. Of course, we considered the possibility of a more extended leave of absence from Era, which is why we chose Steve ‘Xcalibur’ Ye. We were looking for a talented player who could synergize with our team and had the potential to grow, but would also have a completely clear schedule, as none of us knew when Era would fully recover. At the time, Xcalibur felt like the best shot we had.

As we have explained in many interviews, we only had two short days to train with Xcalibur before flying out to BTS. Even with a bleak outlook, we managed to beat arguably one of the strongest teams to date, DK, as well as ViciGaming, who took 1st at EMS, and Na’Vi.US, the winners of TI4’s US Qualifiers. Yes, we were disappointed with 5th/6th place, but given the time we had to prepare, the team felt Xcalibur had raw skill that had the potential to achieve great results with some guidance.

With DreamLeague Season 1 around the corner and ESL One later this month, there were decisions that had to be made, and quickly. Time was not a luxury we had. At this point, we were emphasizing communication on all channels—between Valve, future tournament admins, Era and his family, Era’s doctor, and Fnatic’s upper management. Although we were quite depressed as a team, we could not even begin to imagine Era’s position. His doctor had advised him to avoid games for some time to relieve some anxiety and pressure, so we could not practice with him, even from his home. This would inherently diminish our chances at LANs, so we did not know how to proceed. On the other hand, Era wanted so much to compete with the rest of the team, but the world was against him. This frustration led to his tweet where he states “Not allowed to play at any LAN during the summer. I would’ve loved to, though”. In the end, we hoped to get more practice with Xcalibur while giving Era more room for recovery.

After DreamLeague, we reassessed the situation. Again, Era and his doctor were voicing concerns and again, we were unsure if he would be ready to participate at ESL One, and the fast approaching The International.

As many have seen, we have been playing the past month with Xcalibur. We have beaten Na’Vi in a best-of-three and Alliance in a best-of-five, culminating in a 3rd place finish in D2L Western Challenge and 2nd place in D2CL Season 3, respectively this past week. As mentioned before, we have taken games off other top teams, including DK, VG, and Empire.

The International

It is important to note that we have been in constant communication with Valve from the very beginning. We have kept them informed of our situation and Era’s recovery progress, however slow it has been. Valve consistently stated that those five players that were originally invited to play (namely, Fly, N0tail, Era, Trixi, H4nn1) remain the five players expected to be present in Seattle.

Even though we understood Valve’s position, we appealed to them, stating that our circumstances were starkly different from prior roster changes, as Era’s health condition was unforeseen and has been inconsistent thus far. This is not carpal tunnel or a broken finger. Era’s health condition is psychological in nature and, if not handled correctly, can have detrimental effects extending into his adult years. This is a risk no one wants to take, least of all Era. We want to be 100% confident in Era and his condition. Nevertheless, Valve insists that the original five players play or we cannot play at all.

What Now…

As we approach TI4, we are at a crossroads—to play with Era without knowing if we are damaging his health, or to be disqualified. To play with Era would also mean extreme lack of preparation. We have not been practicing as the original five for some time now because of everything recounted in this post. As such, even if we were once able to perform on that level fans love and crave, we cannot reproduce this performance without practice and preparation.

It is Era’s goal to participate in The International (and our hope); we support Era and hope to see him play alongside us, but in the event that something should happen, we would still like to be granted the opportunity to compete to show our Dota 2 fans and community that same level of commitment and dedication we have to the game.

Thank you for taking the time to read our story. Thanks to friends and family who have stood by us during this difficult time, and to our unwavering fans. We hope to see you all in Seattle!

Sincerely,

Fnatic Dota 2:

Tal ‘Fly’ Aizik
Johan ‘N0tail’ Sundstein
Kai ‘H4nn1’ Hanbueckers
Kalle ‘Trixi’ Saarinen
Adrian ‘Era’ Kryeziu
Patrik Sättermon
Sahil Deva


Statement in Spoiler

ty sn0 man
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 26 2014 21:59 GMT
#115333
not me dude weak0r
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
June 26 2014 22:01 GMT
#115334
So he has major anxiety problems? How did this suddenly crop up? That huge TI4 prize pool must have raped his mind or something....
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 26 2014 22:02 GMT
#115335
On June 27 2014 07:01 Ayaz2810 wrote:
So he has major anxiety problems? How did this suddenly crop up? That huge TI4 prize pool must have raped his mind or something....

I mean the statement explicitly says he skipped the D2L finals in January cuz of this, which occured before TI4 was even announced so... It doesn't have anything to do with that.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
June 26 2014 22:03 GMT
#115336
if there's a doctor and an official diagnosis, why wouldn't valve let them use xcalibur? either something is off or valve-time response?
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
June 26 2014 22:06 GMT
#115337
On June 27 2014 07:01 Ayaz2810 wrote:
So he has major anxiety problems? How did this suddenly crop up? That huge TI4 prize pool must have raped his mind or something....
Well there's no way to know. Physically manifesting psychological issues could be caused by and appears as just about everything.
Once you Goblak...
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
June 26 2014 22:06 GMT
#115338
ErA disclosing his medical condition takes a lot of guts. Especially when its to the gaming community. I hope he gets better and wont stress himself too much over this whole thing.

Idk, I think Valve is just standing tall right now. And after some unnecessary chicken steps they will allow Fnatic to attend TI4 with their +1 stand in.
Skol
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 26 2014 22:06 GMT
#115339
On June 27 2014 06:59 Sn0_Man wrote:
not me dude weak0r

u brought it to me tho
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
June 26 2014 22:07 GMT
#115340
Panic attacks caused by travelling. Solution: no more gaming.

I don't know how official the diagnosis is, the article remains quite vague about the health issue. Valve probably has similar doubts? Idk.

Sucks for Fnatic and Era.
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