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I agree that there has to be more to it than whats in Fnatic's statement but Valve at the very least needs to respond.
There's absolutely nothing in my mind right now that's remotely plausible into them allowing EG to swap what used to be their confirmed roster but not allow Fnatic to do the same. I really think the situation is similar enough that allowing Fnatic to swap Era is within reason.
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On June 27 2014 07:07 Laurens wrote: Panic attacks caused by travelling. Solution: no more gaming.
I don't know how official the diagnosis is, the article remains quite vague about the health issue. Valve probably has similar doubts? Idk.
Sucks for Fnatic and Era. Well someone told him he shouldn't go to events this summer. Unless that was his mom, there should be someone qualified who told him that and would vouch for his condition.
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Wouldn't you think diagnosing what might be a severe psychological/mental issue would take a little longer than Fear's case of having tennis elbow?
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I don't think it would take 5 months no.
I have a family member who has severe joint problems and hasn't been able to walk without support for like 6 years, for what every doctor says is for psychological reasons (and given that I know this person, I believe that). Didn't take that long for any of them to say this.
Regardless, we're talking about someone saying if they're fit to travel and compete. They don't need to pinpoint exactly what the problem is.
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On June 27 2014 06:52 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:49 teapoted wrote: Something seems missing from that fnatic story. Pretty much this. There's no way Valve take that stance based on only what has been shared by Fnatic. Edit: Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:51 Emnjay808 wrote: Can someone copy paste w/e is on that site. It wont let me view it for some reason. From the fnatic discussion thread: Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:35 weak0r wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Provided here is an account of the events in the past half year, based on what has unfolded within the team The purpose of this post is to establish an understanding of our current circumstances and how it came to be. We feel that we owe this statement to the Dota 2 community and our loyal fans. The details disclosed are permitted by Era.
Early this year (January – April)
As many already know, Adrian ‘Era’ Kryeziu has not been participating in recent tournaments due to health issues. As some might remember, the first LAN that Era refrained from playing was the D2L Season 4 LAN Finals in Las Vegas, NV in January of this year. To the rest of the team, this came as a big surprise as there had been no prior indication of sickness (at the very least, Era had never mentioned this before). Our team managed to get 2nd place with two stand-ins. This feat in itself demonstrates the level of commitment and dedication we have to the game.
Later that month, we participated in SLTV’s Starladder Season 8 LAN Finals in Kiev. Era did not exhibit any noticeable health issues and did not voice any concerns. We felt that things were back to normal. Fast forward to April, Dreamhack Bucharest LAN Finals. Again, Era was fully able to travel and appeared normal. However, the rest of the team was completely unaware that Era’s health condition had taken a turn for the worse.
Bootcamp (May- June)
In our preparations for this year’s The International, we were planning on bootcamping in London, the location of Fnatic’s headquarter office. I flew there after DHBucharest, while the remaining four members were to follow suit in late May. Shortly before our scheduled arrival date, we were informed by management that Era would be arriving a few days later than planned. There was an unforeseen relapse in his health condition, and he would be accompanied by his girlfriend and her parents. When he finally arrived, he was not the Era that the team had come to know and love as a brother; he was not himself—he was vomiting every day from anxiety attacks for the short duration of his stay, which was less than a week. He later explained to us that panic attacks would arise every time he had to travel. His condition forced him to return home shortly after his arrival.
The moment that Era left for home, we immediately informed Valve of our circumstances. At the same time, we searched for a stand-in for BeyondTheSummit’s The Summit LAN Finals in Los Angeles, CA. Of course, we considered the possibility of a more extended leave of absence from Era, which is why we chose Steve ‘Xcalibur’ Ye. We were looking for a talented player who could synergize with our team and had the potential to grow, but would also have a completely clear schedule, as none of us knew when Era would fully recover. At the time, Xcalibur felt like the best shot we had.
As we have explained in many interviews, we only had two short days to train with Xcalibur before flying out to BTS. Even with a bleak outlook, we managed to beat arguably one of the strongest teams to date, DK, as well as ViciGaming, who took 1st at EMS, and Na’Vi.US, the winners of TI4’s US Qualifiers. Yes, we were disappointed with 5th/6th place, but given the time we had to prepare, the team felt Xcalibur had raw skill that had the potential to achieve great results with some guidance.
With DreamLeague Season 1 around the corner and ESL One later this month, there were decisions that had to be made, and quickly. Time was not a luxury we had. At this point, we were emphasizing communication on all channels—between Valve, future tournament admins, Era and his family, Era’s doctor, and Fnatic’s upper management. Although we were quite depressed as a team, we could not even begin to imagine Era’s position. His doctor had advised him to avoid games for some time to relieve some anxiety and pressure, so we could not practice with him, even from his home. This would inherently diminish our chances at LANs, so we did not know how to proceed. On the other hand, Era wanted so much to compete with the rest of the team, but the world was against him. This frustration led to his tweet where he states “Not allowed to play at any LAN during the summer. I would’ve loved to, though”. In the end, we hoped to get more practice with Xcalibur while giving Era more room for recovery.
After DreamLeague, we reassessed the situation. Again, Era and his doctor were voicing concerns and again, we were unsure if he would be ready to participate at ESL One, and the fast approaching The International.
As many have seen, we have been playing the past month with Xcalibur. We have beaten Na’Vi in a best-of-three and Alliance in a best-of-five, culminating in a 3rd place finish in D2L Western Challenge and 2nd place in D2CL Season 3, respectively this past week. As mentioned before, we have taken games off other top teams, including DK, VG, and Empire.
The International
It is important to note that we have been in constant communication with Valve from the very beginning. We have kept them informed of our situation and Era’s recovery progress, however slow it has been. Valve consistently stated that those five players that were originally invited to play (namely, Fly, N0tail, Era, Trixi, H4nn1) remain the five players expected to be present in Seattle.
Even though we understood Valve’s position, we appealed to them, stating that our circumstances were starkly different from prior roster changes, as Era’s health condition was unforeseen and has been inconsistent thus far. This is not carpal tunnel or a broken finger. Era’s health condition is psychological in nature and, if not handled correctly, can have detrimental effects extending into his adult years. This is a risk no one wants to take, least of all Era. We want to be 100% confident in Era and his condition. Nevertheless, Valve insists that the original five players play or we cannot play at all.
What Now…
As we approach TI4, we are at a crossroads—to play with Era without knowing if we are damaging his health, or to be disqualified. To play with Era would also mean extreme lack of preparation. We have not been practicing as the original five for some time now because of everything recounted in this post. As such, even if we were once able to perform on that level fans love and crave, we cannot reproduce this performance without practice and preparation.
It is Era’s goal to participate in The International (and our hope); we support Era and hope to see him play alongside us, but in the event that something should happen, we would still like to be granted the opportunity to compete to show our Dota 2 fans and community that same level of commitment and dedication we have to the game.
Thank you for taking the time to read our story. Thanks to friends and family who have stood by us during this difficult time, and to our unwavering fans. We hope to see you all in Seattle!
Sincerely,
Fnatic Dota 2:
Tal ‘Fly’ Aizik Johan ‘N0tail’ Sundstein Kai ‘H4nn1’ Hanbueckers Kalle ‘Trixi’ Saarinen Adrian ‘Era’ Kryeziu Patrik Sättermon Sahil Deva Statement in Spoiler It was kind of expected. Era's disappearance was kind of mysterious but I hope that if he can provide good grounds for his absence, Fnatic can play with Excalibur
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I mean if what's the drawing the line for Valve IS the "problem", that would just come across as insanely unreasonable to me. There really has to be more to this
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Situation sucks for fnatic, but it is what it is. It sucks to come this close but not be able to compete, but there's an international once a year. I wish them the best of luck next year. Maybe if xcaliber had been part of the team when the invites went out, he would have a chance at going, but as it is, standins are looked at worse than forfeits.
+ Show Spoiler +Though I do think fnatic has a chance at top 8 with xcaliber, situation sucks.
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On June 27 2014 07:24 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:Situation sucks for fnatic, but it is what it is. It sucks to come this close but not be able to compete, but there's an international once a year. I wish them the best of luck next year. Maybe if xcaliber had been part of the team when the invites went out, he would have a chance at going, but as it is, standins are looked at worse than forfeits. + Show Spoiler +Though I do think fnatic has a chance at top 8 with xcaliber, situation sucks.
+ Show Spoiler +i think fnatic would have had a better chance with era than xcalibur
seriously he can play like 3 heroes real talk
but that's all not important right now, era's wellbeing is, anxiety is shitty, and anxiety isn't even the worst part, it's all the bad shit in your head that the anxiety starts that becomes the real problem.
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So basically Fnatic has to choose the lesser of the two evils. Play at TI 4 with Era at the risk of his health or not play at all. That's the problem with the current invite format, teams should be allowed a reserve incase something like this happens.
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Too bad for fnatic, valve may change their mind but i doubt it. Tbh they wouldnt have gone far with exca. Maybe next year.
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sup erasme
nice items erasme
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This seems pretty fucking ridiculous. Firstly, they allowed EG to do much the same. Yes, Fnatic's request came later than EG's, but if there's a deadline for substituting players with a medical condition, why the hell doesn't Valve make that public? Secondly, and more importantly, they've put Era into about the shittiest situation they could put someone with an anxiety disorder into. He can either go through the horror of going to TI knowing there's a good chance it will trigger more panic attacks (would it happen between games? on stage even? there's so much added pressure here, even ignoring the pressure to perform well). Or he can be the 'reason' (yes, he's not the reason, but it's hard not to feel that way if you're Era) his team doesn't get to compete for 10 million dollars.
I'll wait for Valve's statement I guess, but this looks like a horrendous decision.
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Had Mason even officially transitioned from "I never want to be anything more than a stand-in" to "I'm on EG" when the invites went out? I honestly can't remember the timeline.
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comparing the fear/mason and era thing is pretty dumb there are substantial differences in the two cases
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On June 27 2014 07:53 andyrau wrote: comparing the fear/mason and era thing is pretty dumb there are substantial differences in the two cases
Agree with this.
Also Valve needs to have official rules for roster replacements and stuff so teams know what to expect and how to handle it because this shit happens way too often (Valve's fault).
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On June 27 2014 07:41 Gosi wrote: sup erasme
nice items erasme
sup gosi
nice items gosi But one day, when ill be smurfing to play with targe, ill build those items on pl and (more than certainly) win.
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ty erasme for showing me radiance bloodseeker
On June 27 2014 07:56 Erasme wrote:sup gosi nice items gosi But one day, when ill be smurfing to play with targe, ill build those items on pl and (more than certainly) win.
hey you dont need to smurf to play with me anymore!!1
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I am waiting to see what valve says and more information. I really feel like we are getting one side of the story and that press release was lacking in specific information. If his situation was that serious, I would think the team would have pulled the trigger sooner.
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On June 27 2014 08:07 Plansix wrote: I am waiting to see what valve says and more information. I really feel like we are getting one side of the story and that press release was lacking in specific information. If his situation was that serious, I would think the team would have pulled the trigger sooner.
valve communicating...hahaha
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On June 27 2014 08:09 Churrass wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:07 Plansix wrote: I am waiting to see what valve says and more information. I really feel like we are getting one side of the story and that press release was lacking in specific information. If his situation was that serious, I would think the team would have pulled the trigger sooner. valve communicating...hahaha They clearly communicate with the teams, just not us(which I don't know why they would communicate with us).
Look, I don't have anything against Fantic, but they waited until the 11th hour out to change their roster. EG pulled the trigger some time ago. I don't know what their reasoning is for doing so and I am sure they are taking their case to Valve. This is what happens when you make decisions like to keep an unhealthy team mate on your team and then try to swap them out less than 30 days before the main event.
And for people who want "clear rules", remember that all rules are subject to discretion of the party enforcing them. Rules and laws are not binary in their enforcement. Thats why judges hand down rulings after considering all the facts.
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