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On May 18 2012 06:54 SQWKZ wrote:
Why do people take the stability thing this way? Stability is the most important factor for the players invited, because they have to play together as the five invitees when the tournament comes. From Valve's point of view, they haven't invited the Na`Vi brand's team, but rather LoH, PPY, XBOCT, Dendi, and AA as individual members of one team... If they decided to swap out XBOCT for another carry now, they'd still have to play with him at the international. Stabilizing your team is important, so you can play good when it's crunch time.
I really doubt the main gauge of validity from Valve's point of view will be who has the least swaps in the last 4 months, over performance (and possibly recognizability). Of course, if teams change rosters just before their invites, they'll be reconsidered, but I think the timeframe for this will be within reason. Don't know, if Valve is in any kind of hurry with the invites. If mouz starts playing worse with 1437, they naturally have less of a chance, but imo replacing Fire can't hurt 'em. EU slots are really hard to predict atm anyway.
IIRC synderen said on his stream that they will get invited, but they must have a stable roster from that date - I think it was about a month ago.
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glorious interview, and I'm proud to say I read it with his voice
heh bamboo :D
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Doto too hard some times especially when there's a roaming alchemist with feking boots plus orb of venom first that punches you until you die 3 times in less than 5 minutes. Games like that make me want to switch to Legue of Lehendas but then registration is too hard and game was no go. I hate Dota.
LOL
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Netherlands45349 Posts
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On May 18 2012 06:54 SQWKZ wrote:
Why do people take the stability thing this way?
Because it takes quite a while to get a passport into the US from many countries
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Is there gonna be an update this week?
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Can you expand on that a bit? I'm just wondering why people feel the mouz change, and other recent or not-so-recent changes are the hugest things. Even after Dreamhack, teams will have two months to get a visa. Is that too short? What's the appropriate deadline for Valve to get all invites out? Dreamhack and the time up to that should give teams good time to show their merit.
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
On May 18 2012 08:51 Darkren wrote:
Is there gonna be an update this week?
Er, yeah. Feel free to check the last few pages. Basically Treant Protector new hero.
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Servers are down I suppose?
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
dat tree
coming soon to a tree near u
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Canada2068 Posts
On May 18 2012 09:05 SQWKZ wrote:
Can you expand on that a bit? I'm just wondering why people feel the mouz change, and other recent or not-so-recent changes are the hugest things. Even after Dreamhack, teams will have two months to get a visa. Is that too short? What's the appropriate deadline for Valve to get all invites out? Dreamhack and the time up to that should give teams good time to show their merit.
It has to do with the legitimacy of the e-sport and how it looks compared to regular sports. If a team changes rosters every 2 weeks, it looks terrible and looks like a bunch of children playing a game for fun rather than a professional e-sport. No sponsor would want to touch that, because what's to prevent the 5 players on your payroll from leaving to join another team/sponsor 2 weeks from now?
Also from Valve's standpoint, they want the publicity from mainstream media to mention the tournament in newspapers and news websites. How embarrassing will it be for them if they invited a bunch of teams to a million-dollar tournament, but the teams change rosters say 2 weeks before the tournament? That's probably why they're looking to use a team's stability up till now as a predictor for unlikely the team is to make any more roster changes.
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On May 18 2012 10:01 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 09:05 SQWKZ wrote:
Can you expand on that a bit? I'm just wondering why people feel the mouz change, and other recent or not-so-recent changes are the hugest things. Even after Dreamhack, teams will have two months to get a visa. Is that too short? What's the appropriate deadline for Valve to get all invites out? Dreamhack and the time up to that should give teams good time to show their merit. It has to do with the legitimacy of the e-sport and how it looks compared to regular sports. If a team changes rosters every 2 weeks, it looks terrible and looks like a bunch of children playing a game for fun rather than a professional e-sport. No sponsor would want to touch that, because what's to prevent the 5 players on your payroll from leaving to join another team/sponsor 2 weeks from now? Also from Valve's standpoint, they want the publicity from mainstream media to mention the tournament in newspapers and news websites. How embarrassing will it be for them if they invited a bunch of teams, but they change rosters say 2 weeks before the tournament? It could be embarrassing for Valve if that gets reported in the news and a good predictor for stability is how stable your roster up till now.
Actually think that isn't the issue. It's more a visa issue and valve wants to invite top teams, hard to say if a team is top or not if it's a different roster constantly. The whole "killing" esports vibe i find is a bit overdone. I mean quite a few teams at the last international weren't the same roster at the time as at the event.
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Canada2068 Posts
On May 18 2012 10:05 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 10:01 CountChocula wrote:On May 18 2012 09:05 SQWKZ wrote:
Can you expand on that a bit? I'm just wondering why people feel the mouz change, and other recent or not-so-recent changes are the hugest things. Even after Dreamhack, teams will have two months to get a visa. Is that too short? What's the appropriate deadline for Valve to get all invites out? Dreamhack and the time up to that should give teams good time to show their merit. It has to do with the legitimacy of the e-sport and how it looks compared to regular sports. If a team changes rosters every 2 weeks, it looks terrible and looks like a bunch of children playing a game for fun rather than a professional e-sport. No sponsor would want to touch that, because what's to prevent the 5 players on your payroll from leaving to join another team/sponsor 2 weeks from now? Also from Valve's standpoint, they want the publicity from mainstream media to mention the tournament in newspapers and news websites. How embarrassing will it be for them if they invited a bunch of teams, but they change rosters say 2 weeks before the tournament? It could be embarrassing for Valve if that gets reported in the news and a good predictor for stability is how stable your roster up till now. Actually think that isn't the issue. It's more a visa issue and valve wants to invite top teams, hard to say if a team is top or not if it's a different roster constantly. The whole "killing" esports vibe i find is a bit overdone. I mean quite a few teams at the last international weren't the same roster at the time as at the event.
Yeah, I think that's why Valve is trying to fix that (especially the Chinese roster changes last year) by exerting a stabilizing influence on the scene. It's not hard to imagine friendships and teams getting torn apart by the allure of a $1M prize. It's been happening in the Chinese scene with the EHOME scandal and possibly happening in the West too (1437 ditching IG for mouz). That's why I suspect Valve might be trying to make up for the disorder that's been in part due to them by making it clear they'll be rewarding the teams that stick together with an invite. I guess only time will tell.
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Well teams that stick together naturally get rewarded by generally being better than other teams that constantly change like a Navi. To my knowledge valve hasn't officially said anything about stability merely other people saying valve are looking at it. We are acting like it's a be all and end all when I doubt that's the case. Hell iG got an invite when they weren't even playing dota 2 so obviously valve look at a lot more than just one thing. There must be a marketing aspect to it and your point was that roster instability(It's months away come now) harms marketing because of news outlets etc. which I think is extremely exaggerated. All news outlets care about is the hype of big money, hearing that Mouz were running with X instead of Y is hardly a big deal for them.
Also how was it happening in EHOME scandal. That just seemed like a massive mess of communication as well as a player just not wanting to play in a team. The biggest issue in current Western dota 2 scene isn't so much teams changing, it's full rosters not actually playing in tournament(subs constantly). You act like changing rosters is always a bad thing, look at mtw/ww situation. They are arguably performing far better now than they were a while back before the merger. In Mouz situation they clearly have had issues and are trying to resolve them, sometimes these things take time to find the right people for a team. You can't just say "oh look how bad they are changing rosters constantly". It takes some time to get 5 players on the same page and sometimes when you think you have that something happens and the situation changes. If we were having this discussion after the first international would we be talking about Navi in the same light?
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On May 18 2012 10:50 Numy wrote:
Well teams that stick together naturally get rewarded by generally being better than other teams that constantly change like a Navi. To my knowledge valve hasn't officially said anything about stability merely other people saying valve are looking at it. We are acting like it's a be all and end all when I doubt that's the case. Hell iG got an invite when they weren't even playing dota 2 so obviously valve look at a lot more than just one thing. There must be a marketing aspect to it and your point was that roster instability(It's months away come now) harms marketing because of news outlets etc. which I think is extremely exaggerated. All news outlets care about is the hype of big money, hearing that Mouz were running with X instead of Y is hardly a big deal for them.
Also how was it happening in EHOME scandal. That just seemed like a massive mess of communication as well as a player just not wanting to play in a team. The biggest issue in current Western dota 2 scene isn't so much teams changing, it's full rosters not actually playing in tournament(subs constantly). You act like changing rosters is always a bad thing, look at mtw/ww situation. They are arguably performing far better now than they were a while back before the merger. In Mouz situation they clearly have had issues and are trying to resolve them, sometimes these things take time to find the right people for a team. You can't just say "oh look how bad they are changing rosters constantly". It takes some time to get 5 players on the same page and sometimes when you think you have that something happens and the situation changes. If we were having this discussion after the first international would we be talking about Navi in the same light?
That wasn't a massive mess of communication. Those players knew what they were leaving and going to and Crystal (and Awoke) got scammed in the end.
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On May 18 2012 07:43 Candadar wrote:Show nested quote +Doto too hard some times especially when there's a roaming alchemist with feking boots plus orb of venom first that punches you until you die 3 times in less than 5 minutes. Games like that make me want to switch to Legue of Lehendas but then registration is too hard and game was no go. I hate Dota. LOL
I think they censored him and that the exact quote was 'there's a roaming alchemist with feking boots plus orb of venom first that punches you in the dick until you die 3 times in less than 5 minutes.'
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anyone noticed this when you scroll over "LOG"?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jhgWb.jpg)
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FUCK YOU KELLY doin the same shit as yoko ono! Fuck you lacoste for joonibg my favourite team. Lacoste plays fucking enigma all the time but i never see a black hole from him. God i DO NOT WANT him in CLG.
Guess i will cheer for keita from now on
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On May 18 2012 17:37 eqez wrote:
FUCK YOU KELLY doin the same shit as yoko ono! Fuck you lacoste for joonibg my favourite team. Lacoste plays fucking enigma all the time but i never see a black hole from him. God i DO NOT WANT him in CLG.
Guess i will cheer for keita from now on
source: http://clgaming.net/news/161-welcome-clg-misery-and-clg-lacoste-to-clg-s-dota-2-roster
lol. this might be a wrench in clg and darers near future results.
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EPT
