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Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
May 17 2012 01:55 GMT
#11281
- Lich: Fixed timing on Chain Frost ministun.


Does this mean it acts like Dota 1 now and the ministun occurs the moment you cast it? Slight buff to lich
"I am a leaf on the wind."
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
May 17 2012 01:59 GMT
#11282
On May 17 2012 10:32 NB wrote:
i dont think swap should be implemented anytime soon, it just gona encourage people to random in pub games and once you random 5 carries, you are fucked. Not having swap make people more responsible in their pick if they wana win therefore overall increase the playing experience. I myself random a shit ton so i know.


Swap is more for single draft.
Never make a hydralisk.
s_side
Profile Joined May 2009
United States700 Posts
May 17 2012 02:00 GMT
#11283
This game is better supported as a BETA than Diablo 3 is as a $60 game. Valve is doing something right.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 17 2012 02:27 GMT
#11284
On May 17 2012 10:55 Hoban wrote:
Show nested quote +
- Lich: Fixed timing on Chain Frost ministun.


Does this mean it acts like Dota 1 now and the ministun occurs the moment you cast it? Slight buff to lich

More like going back to what it should be. Too many indirect 'buffs' in DotA 2. Think about Lycan and his wolves. Due to different neutral AI Lycan has an 84% chance to instantly take down a hard camp at level 1. Yeah go ward the small and pull, he's still okay.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 17 2012 02:32 GMT
#11285
Sooo.. I tried Treant quickly in Dota Test, can someone enlight me on how is he in comparaison of other big initiator heroes ? His ult is only a root, so Tide feel kinda of better already.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 02:59:26
May 17 2012 02:35 GMT
#11286
On May 17 2012 10:02 rabidch wrote:
is he still hard to click on that is the real question


Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 09:48 Wala.Revolution wrote:
"- Chen: Fixed Holy Persuasion working on Spirit Bear."

What lol


you could send the bear to fountain for even faster reheals. its actually stupidly good :/

That was part of the reason why MUFC defeated IG in the GDM tournament. Should they be disqualified (or a rematch scheduled or be handed a forfeit) for exploiting a bug similar to how coL were disqualified in the finals of the first Monthly Madness qualifier back in February for using the Puck phase shift bug?

vod: http://www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit/b/318302291?t=42m30s
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 17 2012 02:40 GMT
#11287
On May 17 2012 11:32 Noocta wrote:
Sooo.. I tried Treant quickly in Dota Test, can someone enlight me on how is he in comparaison of other big initiator heroes ? His ult is only a root, so Tide feel kinda of better already.

tide is better generally. treant isn't picked for initiation, he's picked because he has an excellent aura and a decent set of abilities, and he's also fat.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 17 2012 02:48 GMT
#11288
On May 17 2012 11:40 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 11:32 Noocta wrote:
Sooo.. I tried Treant quickly in Dota Test, can someone enlight me on how is he in comparaison of other big initiator heroes ? His ult is only a root, so Tide feel kinda of better already.

tide is better generally. treant isn't picked for initiation, he's picked because he has an excellent aura and a decent set of abilities, and he's also fat.


And where do people run him ? As a hardlane support ?
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
May 17 2012 02:48 GMT
#11289
So what skill order/items for treant? Max aura? Max drain? Blink rush? Arcane boots? Soul ring to spam drain?

Laning - hard support? Solo mid? Solo hard?
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
May 17 2012 02:49 GMT
#11290
I'd missed Treant and his Dota 2 model and voice actor are awesome. Gonna spam Tree games erry day
it's my first day
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 17 2012 03:17 GMT
#11291
Thank god they finally fixed Lich Chain Frost, that has made or broken a decent amount of fights I have experienced myself and ones I have even seen in competitive play.
WriterXiao8~~
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
May 17 2012 03:51 GMT
#11292
On May 17 2012 10:32 NB wrote:
i dont think swap should be implemented anytime soon, it just gona encourage people to random in pub games and once you random 5 carries, you are fucked. Not having swap make people more responsible in their pick if they wana win therefore overall increase the playing experience. I myself random a shit ton so i know.


Isn't the answer to that to stop giving bonus gold for randoming, not removing a really useful feature?
Logo
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 17 2012 03:54 GMT
#11293
Builds with Tree are situational. Generally, maxing aura is... so indelibly good. As a global passive early on, it grants such smooth laning for your entire team. You hold onto your mana for when you need it. In hard lanes, maxing Guise can help you sneak experience you normally wouldn't get. The drain is really good when coupled with other disables, but you don't have the mana to use it early.

Seriously though the aura is just so nice.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
May 17 2012 04:09 GMT
#11294
On May 17 2012 11:27 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 10:55 Hoban wrote:
- Lich: Fixed timing on Chain Frost ministun.


Does this mean it acts like Dota 1 now and the ministun occurs the moment you cast it? Slight buff to lich

More like going back to what it should be. Too many indirect 'buffs' in DotA 2. Think about Lycan and his wolves. Due to different neutral AI Lycan has an 84% chance to instantly take down a hard camp at level 1. Yeah go ward the small and pull, he's still okay.


What AI is this, is there more than just microing units back and not getting 3 units for certain camps?
Stuck.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 17 2012 04:47 GMT
#11295
On May 17 2012 13:09 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 11:27 flamewheel wrote:
On May 17 2012 10:55 Hoban wrote:
- Lich: Fixed timing on Chain Frost ministun.


Does this mean it acts like Dota 1 now and the ministun occurs the moment you cast it? Slight buff to lich

More like going back to what it should be. Too many indirect 'buffs' in DotA 2. Think about Lycan and his wolves. Due to different neutral AI Lycan has an 84% chance to instantly take down a hard camp at level 1. Yeah go ward the small and pull, he's still okay.


What AI is this, is there more than just microing units back and not getting 3 units for certain camps?

In DotA 1, Gnolls make sure every enemy has the poison buff instead of focusing one unit. Certain hard camp creep target melee heroes (Wildkins and Centaurs). You can't clarity under these and on hard camps your wolves won't be tanking damage since the big creep will be hitting you.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
May 17 2012 04:50 GMT
#11296
On May 17 2012 13:09 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 11:27 flamewheel wrote:
On May 17 2012 10:55 Hoban wrote:
- Lich: Fixed timing on Chain Frost ministun.


Does this mean it acts like Dota 1 now and the ministun occurs the moment you cast it? Slight buff to lich

More like going back to what it should be. Too many indirect 'buffs' in DotA 2. Think about Lycan and his wolves. Due to different neutral AI Lycan has an 84% chance to instantly take down a hard camp at level 1. Yeah go ward the small and pull, he's still okay.


What AI is this, is there more than just microing units back and not getting 3 units for certain camps?


A few of examples are the big wildkin not attacking the hero over the summons, satyrs not using his shockwave even though there are 3 units, and gnoll assassins not attacking all units to spread the poison. Conversely, wolves count as bodies which makes trolls harder (but they were piss easy in the first place so still doable).
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
May 17 2012 04:53 GMT
#11297
On May 17 2012 13:09 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 11:27 flamewheel wrote:
On May 17 2012 10:55 Hoban wrote:
- Lich: Fixed timing on Chain Frost ministun.


Does this mean it acts like Dota 1 now and the ministun occurs the moment you cast it? Slight buff to lich

More like going back to what it should be. Too many indirect 'buffs' in DotA 2. Think about Lycan and his wolves. Due to different neutral AI Lycan has an 84% chance to instantly take down a hard camp at level 1. Yeah go ward the small and pull, he's still okay.


What AI is this, is there more than just microing units back and not getting 3 units for certain camps?


The target selection of the neutral creeps. For example, specific camps will focus the hero over wolves, which means it's trickier keeping clarities up, and you need to bring a certain amount of starting life regen into jungle with you to stay safe.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 04:57:03
May 17 2012 04:56 GMT
#11298
Lucan jungle is marginally easier in dota2 in that u don't have to play about 3 games with it to know oh hey I have to micro this way and not pots here, tho the slightly different ai and lack of stuff getting shockwaved is a bit ... I personally think the lothars crit change and slight modifications to rng make much bigger differences
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 04:58:27
May 17 2012 04:58 GMT
#11299
New interview with Orange.Xtinct.

http://www.dotacommentaries.com/index.php/atre/12742/

Anyone else think Winter (2nd guy from right) looks like Kitamura from Toradora?
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
May 17 2012 05:54 GMT
#11300
On May 17 2012 10:02 rabidch wrote:
is he still hard to click on that is the real question


Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 09:48 Wala.Revolution wrote:
"- Chen: Fixed Holy Persuasion working on Spirit Bear."

What lol


you could send the bear to fountain for even faster reheals. its actually stupidly good :/


wasn't the DotA 1 model fixed, along with BH's, in a 6.6x update or something?
ffxiv enjoyer
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