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Dattish
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On May 12 2012 22:16 paralleluniverse wrote: Your defense is that these heroes can be countered in the early game, so that they aren't so OP in the late game. This isn't reflected in the stats. These heroes have a >50% win rate throughout the game, including the early game, and get better as the game progresses. Sometimes you just need to take a deep breath. Everyone goes full retard sometimes. Just take a few hours to think about what you are saying. "I want to win even though im terrible." I recommend taking a cold shower and deep squatting 20 times everytime you feel the need to post something incredibly rediculous. User was warned for this post | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On May 12 2012 22:21 Dattish wrote: Anti-mage op As I said, it's not just Riki and Ursa, they were examples of carries. It's carries in general. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On May 12 2012 22:16 paralleluniverse wrote: Your defense is that these heroes can be countered in the early game, so that they aren't so OP in the late game. This isn't reflected in the stats. These heroes have a >50% win rate throughout the game, including the early game, and get better as the game progresses. It's like arguing with a bunch of scientific illiterates. Spectre has a 51% winrate, that's pretty close to the 50% you're talking about, no? http://stats.dota2.be/herostats Riki has 52%. Close to 50% as well. And ursa is the highest but he's also the king of pubstomps, and is a horrible hero. And no, carries in DotA aren't OP. Seriously you're a horrible player getting stomped in pubs, you have no idea of what balance in DotA is about. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On May 12 2012 22:25 Unleashing wrote: Spectre has a 51% winrate, that's pretty close to the 50% you're talking about, no? http://stats.dota2.be/herostats Riki has 52%. Close to 50% as well. And ursa is the highest but he's also the king of pubstomps, and is a horrible hero. And no, carries in DotA aren't OP. Seriously you're a horrible player getting stomped in pubs, you have no idea of what balance in DotA is about. Ursa is 58% on those stats, and these heroes get better as the game goes on, while the stats do not show them getting worse at the start of the game. Interesting that all this talk about me knowing nothing about the game has suddenly stopped, as the numbers show these heroes are overpowered. Although that was only one of the many points in my post. The other being very lopsided games, which nonetheless needlessly drag on. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On May 12 2012 22:34 rabidch wrote: I don't see any motivation for using statistics based on an extremely biased pool of data to glean some worthless conclusions about balance in Dota2. If you have evidence of bias please show it. Otherwise, stop the baseless rumormongering. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
I swear, the next thing you'll tell me is that blood seeker is a good hero. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
On May 12 2012 22:24 paralleluniverse wrote: As I said, it's not just Riki and Ursa, they were examples of carries. It's carries in general. I will assume that you were basing this on stats.dota2.be, linked here: http://stats.dota2.be/herostats/recent Well then, let's take this a step further, shall we? Based on your logic that stats is definitive whether a hero is OP or UP: - Lich is almost as OP as Ursa - Tidehunter is OP - Zeus is OP - Batrider is massively UP at only 42.74% winrate, please buff even though he's #1 pick/ban in the Chinese scene, they clearly don't know what they're doing - Brood is also UP even though he's used very often in competitive play - Invoker is sub 50%, needs a buff - Etc etc All the above suggestions that I just made are ludicrous to anyone that has experience in DotA. You cannot simply base your opinions on pure stats. There are so many other considerations that have to be made before saying a hero is OP or UP or whatever. Do you intend on basing your opinions on anything beyond these statistics? It is quite clear that the community as a whole disagrees with you. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On May 12 2012 22:37 paralleluniverse wrote: If you have evidence of bias please show it. Otherwise, stop the baseless rumormongering. The vast majority of Dota2 players are low skill and have little insight into the game. The game is not easy to learn by any means. I don't need any evidence here, take it or leave it. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Crissaegrim
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Lets go back to where the thread was a few pages back. Say the International is coming up again, anyone excited for that? I sure am! | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
On May 12 2012 22:37 paralleluniverse wrote: If you have evidence of bias please show it. Otherwise, stop the baseless rumormongering. Yeah because the new guy ask the other of the burden of proof that Ursa or riki are imba. Have you ever played this game? This was debated like 1 million times on every dota board, and you know what? Mirana was deemed imbalanced for like 15 versions? THEN IT WAS BUFFED. And again, and again, and again. And Mirana is where is it now, situational. Meta changed, strat changed, heroes aren't as effective as before. In every single version, since 6.48 onward, Ursa was never good. Riki was good for a couple of vers (when backstab dealt magical damage and when sentries were nerfed hard). AM has been good for 1, 2 version if u want to consider him good now (6.74). SK and Es have been good for like what, 10 version? Then they both fell out of grace when chinese showed the world how to farm. The large majority of Dota games are played by players that are frankly embarrassingly bad. I consider myself mediocre even though i've played for 5 years now, and i'd never consider picking Ursa already, if not for fun strats like Ursa + Leo. No one of the teams i've scrimmed with ever considered picking Ursa. Carries are overpowered? Carries are overpowered in the same sense that Strikers are overpowered in soccer. They're the heroes that get the praise and win games, but you can't play with 11 strikers, because you'd suck hard. Same in dota. Team games mechanics are different from 1vs1, now please just go troll elsewhere. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On May 12 2012 22:46 Crissaegrim wrote: Please just stop responding to him. Hopefully he will go away and complain about imbalance etc somewhere else. Lets go back to where the thread was a few pages back. Say the International is coming up again, anyone excited for that? I sure am! Oh the international sure gonna be big, the first one had a lot of coverage and this one might get even more! I can't get hyped without knowing all the teams somehow thou :/ | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On May 12 2012 22:48 Qbek wrote: Oh the international sure gonna be big, the first one had a lot of coverage and this one might get even more! I can't get hyped without knowing all the teams somehow thou :/ Yea I hope that this year they actually show more than just the games and a animated gif during games. | ||
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