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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 03 2013 11:16 GMT
#85221
On November 03 2013 10:28 Klonere wrote:
alright lets talk about how you lane an offlane timber vs razor

i lost as timber extremely hard in a tlih a few days ago, wasn't sure how to approach the lane

You can timberchain away when he starts linking, then you win the lane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 03 2013 11:18 GMT
#85222
On November 03 2013 20:16 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 10:28 Klonere wrote:
alright lets talk about how you lane an offlane timber vs razor

i lost as timber extremely hard in a tlih a few days ago, wasn't sure how to approach the lane

You can timberchain away when he starts linking, then you win the lane

oh hmm... i thought the way to beat razor is to bring a sharper razor. preferably a lot of sharp razors attached to a chain
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
November 03 2013 11:20 GMT
#85223
On November 03 2013 16:03 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 12:14 Nilrem wrote:
Oh this discussion brings back memories. It still cracks me up how he dared to say that he poured years of his life into the community only to realize how he gave the very same community a big "F-U". Must be obvious to him now that he long since burned the bridge to the DotA community. Not that is matters now since he has a new community to be a part of.

LoL community hates him too, though, lol.

Guy must be real suave.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 03 2013 12:26 GMT
#85224
On November 03 2013 16:56 Firebolt145 wrote:
Holy crap like five pages overnight.

Regarding s4's stream: we are aware and are trying to list him. His current stream on TL links to the wrong twitch stream (s4dota instead of s4) and it seems only admins can edit it. As for his resolution/bitrate being too high, that is a Twitch function and not our own. I would guess he has only recently started streaming again and Twitch have not gotten round to partnering him yet.

he's not partnered yet and he was actively trying to fix the lag problem yesterday, he started the stream on 1080p
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
November 03 2013 13:43 GMT
#85225
I remember reading somewhere (long long time ago) that in DOTA2 heroes will have both names and titles in the end, i wonder if it was true and someday it will happen. Would be nice see how Valve tries to bypass some copyrights. Instead of Pudge the Butcher we could have a Pudge the Fat Hooker, since he is fat and uses a hook.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
November 03 2013 13:45 GMT
#85226
It won't happen, don't get your hopes up.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
November 03 2013 14:15 GMT
#85227
Pudge the Butcher falls under blizz copywrite? What? I thought this was a problem related only to Furion and the like.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
November 03 2013 14:16 GMT
#85228
On November 03 2013 22:43 Kaniol wrote:
I remember reading somewhere (long long time ago) that in DOTA2 heroes will have both names and titles in the end, i wonder if it was true and someday it will happen. Would be nice see how Valve tries to bypass some copyrights. Instead of Pudge the Butcher we could have a Pudge the Fat Hooker, since he is fat and uses a hook.

Pudge is already Pudge the butcher.
Pudge is his name and The butcher is his title, also in dota2.

A lot of heroes still have their titles and names from WC3 dota, it's primarily in their lore text.
From Pudge's lore text:
Flocked by carrion birds who need him to cut their meals into beak-sized chunks, Pudge the Butcher hones his skills with blades that grow sharper the longer he uses them.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
November 03 2013 14:17 GMT
#85229
On November 03 2013 23:15 Sbrubbles wrote:
Pudge the Butcher falls under blizz copywrite? What? I thought this was a problem related only to Furion and the like.

Dunno, i thought he was the reference to Diablo's Butcher, same with Leoric referring to Diablo's Skeleton King
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
November 03 2013 14:20 GMT
#85230
On November 03 2013 23:17 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 23:15 Sbrubbles wrote:
Pudge the Butcher falls under blizz copywrite? What? I thought this was a problem related only to Furion and the like.

Dunno, i thought he was the reference to Diablo's Butcher, same with Leoric referring to Diablo's Skeleton King

He is a reference to the butcher from Diablo more than likely, but so what? Blizzard doesn't have copyright on a title like "The butcher"
However they do more than likely have the copyrights for stuff like "Leoric the skeleton king" but not "The skeleton king".

From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 14:22:47
November 03 2013 14:22 GMT
#85231
On November 03 2013 23:20 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 23:17 Kaniol wrote:
On November 03 2013 23:15 Sbrubbles wrote:
Pudge the Butcher falls under blizz copywrite? What? I thought this was a problem related only to Furion and the like.

Dunno, i thought he was the reference to Diablo's Butcher, same with Leoric referring to Diablo's Skeleton King

He is a reference to the butcher from Diablo more than likely, but so what? Blizzard doesn't have copyright on a title like "The butcher"
However they do more than likely have the copyrights for stuff like "Leoric the skeleton king" but not "The skeleton king".


I guess this makes sense, Butcher in Diablo was just Butcher, not Pudge The Butcher ^^
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
November 03 2013 14:25 GMT
#85232
DOTA2 literally means 'dota2' but not 'defense of the ancients 2'. iirc the law suit was about whether valve can use 'DOTA2' or not (in which valve has won/came to an agreement with bliz). 'DotA' (defense of the ancients) however is definitely not allowed to be used by anyone except bliz because of the original eula from war3 etc.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
November 03 2013 14:49 GMT
#85233
i bet 50% of dota players dont even know what dota stands for anyways

also i just got 50% on invoker again finally
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 15:00:07
November 03 2013 14:57 GMT
#85234
On November 03 2013 23:25 BurningSera wrote:
DOTA2 literally means 'dota2' but not 'defense of the ancients 2'. iirc the law suit was about whether valve can use 'DOTA2' or not (in which valve has won/came to an agreement with bliz). 'DotA' (defense of the ancients) however is definitely not allowed to be used by anyone except bliz because of the original eula from war3 etc.
This is false. Valve owns "Defense of the Ancients" as well, they just decided to drop the abbreviation. And they granted permission to use the mark in things like custom maps since that's where it originated. Blizzard may not use it for commercial purposes.

http://www.valvesoftware.com/trademarkguidelines.html
Once you Goblak...
sacrilegious
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada863 Posts
November 03 2013 15:05 GMT
#85235
On November 03 2013 22:43 Kaniol wrote:
I remember reading somewhere (long long time ago) that in DOTA2 heroes will have both names and titles in the end, i wonder if it was true and someday it will happen. Would be nice see how Valve tries to bypass some copyrights. Instead of Pudge the Butcher we could have a Pudge the Fat Hooker, since he is fat and uses a hook.

I argued this to death on playdota.com and dev.dota2.com, and sadly most people just shrug it off and accept the names that are given because that's what people used to call them in DOTA 1. My problem with that is that the majority of the heroes show their descriptive names (e.g. Phantom Assassin, Skeleton King), while the minority of heroes should their actual names (e.g. Pudge, Puck, Slark, Jakiro), which is just stupid because it makes the naming convention look inconsistent and stupid in my eyes.

You can argue that there are certain copyright issues of descriptive names that can't be used (e.g. Wisp, Faerie Dragon, Murloc Nightcrawler), but if that's the case is it so hard to implement alternative names that bypass this (e.g. Light Spirit, Pixie Dragon, Nightcrawler). Or as most people suggested, find a way to put both the actual and descriptive names in the HUDs. Yes obviously space is an issue and it would screw up most or almost all of the custom HUDs that have been made over the last few years, but a start would be adding a new section for the actual name right above where the current name of the hero is, or getting rid of the exp number in the exp bar and putting the descriptive name of the hero there instead
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 03 2013 15:14 GMT
#85236
On November 04 2013 00:05 sacrilegious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 22:43 Kaniol wrote:
I remember reading somewhere (long long time ago) that in DOTA2 heroes will have both names and titles in the end, i wonder if it was true and someday it will happen. Would be nice see how Valve tries to bypass some copyrights. Instead of Pudge the Butcher we could have a Pudge the Fat Hooker, since he is fat and uses a hook.

I argued this to death on playdota.com and dev.dota2.com, and sadly most people just shrug it off and accept the names that are given because that's what people used to call them in DOTA 1. My problem with that is that the majority of the heroes show their descriptive names (e.g. Phantom Assassin, Skeleton King), while the minority of heroes should their actual names (e.g. Pudge, Puck, Slark, Jakiro), which is just stupid because it makes the naming convention look inconsistent and stupid in my eyes.

You can argue that there are certain copyright issues of descriptive names that can't be used (e.g. Wisp, Faerie Dragon, Murloc Nightcrawler), but if that's the case is it so hard to implement alternative names that bypass this (e.g. Light Spirit, Pixie Dragon, Nightcrawler). Or as most people suggested, find a way to put both the actual and descriptive names in the HUDs. Yes obviously space is an issue and it would screw up most or almost all of the custom HUDs that have been made over the last few years, but a start would be adding a new section for the actual name right above where the current name of the hero is, or getting rid of the exp number in the exp bar and putting the descriptive name of the hero there instead

some people just don't care about whatever name it's called and find stuff like the exp number more interesting
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
November 03 2013 15:15 GMT
#85237
i think id never play puck again if he gets called pixie dragon
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 03 2013 15:16 GMT
#85238
he still looks so much more like a fairy than a dragon
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
November 03 2013 15:24 GMT
#85239
On November 04 2013 00:16 Targe wrote:
he still looks so much more like a fairy than a dragon


It.."he's" an it
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 03 2013 15:27 GMT
#85240
On November 04 2013 00:24 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 00:16 Targe wrote:
he still looks so much more like a fairy than a dragon


It.."he's" an it

said he out of habit, if i was gonna give puck a gender it would be female
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
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