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On November 03 2013 11:31 Kuroeeah wrote: Is Eul actually employed by Valve? Yes, he has been for a long time. http://i.imgur.com/LNw6I.jpg If I remember correctly he worked there before Icefrog even.
edit: "IceFrog was the catalyst; he's the main reason why we're making DOTA 2" -- says Johnson. "A lot of us are DOTA fans also from a game-design perspective, and at Valve we already have the original creator of DOTA, Eul." "So," continues Newell, "Adrian made sure that the Source engine could support this kind of game, and then more and more people got into the project." He notes, "It grew out of the same enthusiast fan-spirit that brought Rob Walker and John Cook to build the original Team Fortress out of their love for Quake." http://www.1up.com/previews/dota-2-valve-fanboys-developers
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On November 03 2013 11:31 Kuroeeah wrote: Is Eul actually employed by Valve? Yes
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All I know is fuck Pendragon.
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I already know Eul oversees some of the game's development or design but can someone give me a proper definitive proof that he's employed at Valve?
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On November 03 2013 11:36 teapoted wrote: I edited the post. nice, thank you.
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On November 03 2013 11:35 kirsed wrote: All I know is fuck Pendragon.
Because of LoL? then fuck Guinsoo too!!
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On November 03 2013 11:40 Grettin wrote:Because of LoL? then fuck Guinsoo too!!
No because the dota allstars shit.
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On November 03 2013 11:41 kirsed wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 11:40 Grettin wrote:On November 03 2013 11:35 kirsed wrote: All I know is fuck Pendragon. Because of LoL? then fuck Guinsoo too!! No because the dota allstars shit.
i dont know that one
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He killed Dota Allstars site then basically said play LoL you nerds stop playing DotA.
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On November 03 2013 11:41 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 11:41 kirsed wrote:On November 03 2013 11:40 Grettin wrote:On November 03 2013 11:35 kirsed wrote: All I know is fuck Pendragon. Because of LoL? then fuck Guinsoo too!! No because the dota allstars shit. i dont know that one  He closed the "TL of Dota", put an ad for the new game he was developing for Dota fans (LoL) and said he would release the archives in the future, which he didn't (did he release it recently? I don't recall, but either way it took ages). There were even some acusations that he used the hero suggestions from Dota Allstars to develop LoL heroes, but that can be crazy talk.
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Long story short : Pendragon was the creator of the original Dota allstars website and forum community members would pitch in ideas such as heroes or suggestions to further develop Dota (most popular community site for the game at that time). He was employed by Riot, immediately closed the forums down completely and is suggested to have taken ideas originally meant for DotA into developing LoL ("Teeeeemo was my idea!") and told everyone to go play LoL instead.
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On November 03 2013 11:44 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 11:41 Grettin wrote:On November 03 2013 11:41 kirsed wrote:On November 03 2013 11:40 Grettin wrote:On November 03 2013 11:35 kirsed wrote: All I know is fuck Pendragon. Because of LoL? then fuck Guinsoo too!! No because the dota allstars shit. i dont know that one  He closed the "TL of Dota", put an ad for the new game he was developing for Dota fans (LoL) and said he would release the archives in the future, which he didn't (did he release it recently? I don't recall, but either way it took ages). There were even some acusations that he used the hero suggestions from Dota Allstars to develop LoL heroes, but that can be crazy talk.
I'm pretty sure it's all gone.
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oh yeah i remember that. Didn't know the story completely tho. Thanks.
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On November 03 2013 11:46 kirsed wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 11:44 SKC wrote:On November 03 2013 11:41 Grettin wrote:On November 03 2013 11:41 kirsed wrote:On November 03 2013 11:40 Grettin wrote:On November 03 2013 11:35 kirsed wrote: All I know is fuck Pendragon. Because of LoL? then fuck Guinsoo too!! No because the dota allstars shit. i dont know that one  He closed the "TL of Dota", put an ad for the new game he was developing for Dota fans (LoL) and said he would release the archives in the future, which he didn't (did he release it recently? I don't recall, but either way it took ages). There were even some acusations that he used the hero suggestions from Dota Allstars to develop LoL heroes, but that can be crazy talk. I'm pretty sure it's all gone. It isn't. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381796
But apparently there was some stuff missing.
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"I created Teemo! TEEMO WAS MINE!!"
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On November 03 2013 11:26 Nilrem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 11:18 Kuroeeah wrote: Blizzard attempted to sue Valve because they believed Valve was infringing their copyright. Blizzard's case was that the game was made under their game as well as their toolset (the editor) and specifically made the argument that name doesn't belong to them because it broke their EULA (which is technically true). Whether the game was abbreviated Dota or DotA, Blizzard's argument for the case would have been the same regardless so I really don't see how this would have had any significant impact against Valve.
If Valve opted to change the abbreviation from Dota2 to DotA2, do you honestly believe Blizzard will step in now? Blizzard did not attempt 'sue' valve. Blizzard had filed a 'complaint' to the United States Patent Office with regards to DOTA. This is Blizzard's challenge to the trademark. + Show Spoiler +1. By this Opposition, Blizzard seeks to prevent registration by its competitor Valve Corporation ("Valve") of a trademark, DOTA, that for more than seven years has been used exclusively by Blizzard and its fan community, under license from Blizzard. By virtue of that use, the DOTA mark has become firmly associated in the mind of consumers with Blizzard, including to signify a highly popular scenario or variant of one of Blizzard's best-selling computer games, Warcraft III. Over the past seven years, the mark DOTA has been used exclusively in connection with Blizzard and its products, namely Warcraft III. Most notably, DOTA has been used as the popular name of a Warcraft III software "mod" file that has been distributed, marketed, and promoted by Blizzard and its fans (under license from Blizzard); that utilizes and is built upon the Warcraft III game engine, interface, and gameplay mechanics; that is comprised of Warcraft III characters, items, spells, artwork, textures, and color palates; that can be played only using Warcraft III software and via Blizzard's online service Battle.net ; and whose name (DOTA, an acronym for "Defense of the Ancients") is a reference to Warcraft III characters known as the "Ancients."
2. In contrast to Blizzard, Applicant Valve Corporation ("Valve") has never used the mark DOTA in connection with any product or service that currently is available to the public. By attempting to register the mark DOTA, Valve seeks to appropriate the more than seven years of goodwill that Blizzard has developed in the mark DOTA and in its Warcraft III computer game and take for itself a name that has come to signify the product of years of time and energy expended by Blizzard and by fans of Warcraft III. Valve has no right to the registration it seeks. If such registration is issued, it not only will damage Blizzard, but also the legions of Blizzard fans that have worked for years with Blizzard and its products, including by causing consumers to falsely believe that Valve's products are affiliated, sponsored or endorsed by Blizzard and are related or connected to Warcraft III. U.S. Patent Office Complaint He is correct, Blizzard filed a complaint for copyright violation due to the content in Dota Prime is made up entirely of Blizzard assets.. One thing that most people don't know about copyrights is that you have to defend them to keep them. If you allow people to use your copyrighted material unchecked for a long period of time, you might lose the ability to control it or stop them from making a profit from it. Its a true, "use it for lose it" sort of thing. It is a very slippery section of law and it does not reward people who act "after the fact" to defend their copyrights.
Blizzard likely didn't "want" to sue Valve about Dota 2, but did so to protect their copyrights that are connected the original mod(art, names, lore, that stuff). The agreement they reached was likely just to avoid losing anything, rather than to stop Valve. At the end of the day, I don't think Blizzard really cared that Valve was making Dota 2 on a production level.
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