On October 18 2013 04:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
When they say X is dodgeable?

does that mean heroes like Void can dodge it or something else entirely?

It means blink for example can dodge it, which wasn't possible before(it would hit you after blink)

OopsOopsBaby

Singapore3425 Posts

October 17 2013 19:10 GMT

#482

On October 18 2013 04:07 trinxified wrote:

Show nested quote +

Any spell that is now dodgeable means going Invisible or Blinking will dodge it. But it's still works how it's targeted now.

i thought it would say disjointable if thats the case.

trinxified

Canada7774 Posts

October 17 2013 19:10 GMT

#483

On October 18 2013 04:08 Logo wrote:
Are we going to see more venge now? With blink dagger she should generally be able to queue up a swap so that she can just straight up pull a hero in without putting herself at risk (swap + queued blink dagger back). Blink is an expensive item for a support, but it seems like it'd be a fairly strong initiation now.

Force Staff is a better buy in any case. IF you're support, your life for a carry or a key hero trade-off is good. Plus farming for a Blink Dagger is risky.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

October 17 2013 19:11 GMT

#484

On October 18 2013 04:09 Fatalize wrote:

Show nested quote +

Dodging with Blink or invisibility

Cool thanks!

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

October 17 2013 19:11 GMT

#485

XP change for pulls not as bad as I thought it could be for Radiant. Dire gets fucked though.

canikizu

4860 Posts

October 17 2013 19:11 GMT

#486

So is there any news about 6.79 for dota1? or IF just stops updating dota1?

Fatalize

France5210 Posts

October 17 2013 19:12 GMT

#487

On October 18 2013 04:11 canikizu wrote:
So is there any news about 6.79 for dota1? or IF just stops updating dota1?

Some changes are not doable in DotA 1 I'm pretty sure. Like the movespeed cap on Bloodseeker, I think you can't bypass the movespeed cap in the War3 engine

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

October 17 2013 19:12 GMT

#488

On October 18 2013 04:11 canikizu wrote:
So is there any news about 6.79 for dota1? or IF just stops updating dota1?

If he can find a way to make Stormbolt dodgeable in Dota 1 it would be fun.

aintz

Canada5624 Posts

October 17 2013 19:13 GMT

#489

i think its up on the test client cuz theres already screenshots.

Altsa

Finland990 Posts

October 17 2013 19:13 GMT

#490

Undying+1 offlanes gonna eat your brains.

Comeh

United States18918 Posts

October 17 2013 19:13 GMT

#491

On October 18 2013 03:59 TheYango wrote:
Jungle changes + creep wave meets further up + buff to strong offlane duo laners (e.g. Lich, Shaker) means we might see a shift back to 2-1-2, 2-2-1 or dual roam.

It's a big hit to trilaning if the 2nd support cannot safely and reliably get XP because of how hard pulling was changed.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. Very interesting.

We might see a 1-1-2 with one in the jungle as ewll, but I guess thats the same thing. I'm undecided if this hurts 1v1 laners that aren't mid or not.

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

October 17 2013 19:13 GMT

#492

On October 18 2013 04:13 aintz wrote:
i think its up on the test client cuz theres already screenshots.

It is, testing shit there right now.

NeonFlare

Finland1307 Posts

October 17 2013 19:14 GMT

#493

On October 18 2013 04:13 Altsa wrote:
Undying+1 offlanes gonna eat your brains.

Undying + CM or KotL is going to be so damn annoying.

OopsOopsBaby

Singapore3425 Posts

October 17 2013 19:14 GMT

#494

Skeleton King
- Removed Mortal Strike active

WHY ICEFROG WHY?

LuckoftheIrish

United States4791 Posts

October 17 2013 19:14 GMT

#495

On October 18 2013 04:06 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
spirit lance dodgeable. so its a skill shot now?

The only thing that was changed in this way was Nyx's Impale.

Fatalize

France5210 Posts

October 17 2013 19:15 GMT

#496

On October 18 2013 04:14 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
Skeleton King
- Removed Mortal Strike active

WHY ICEFROG WHY?

SK forever 1 spell

trinxified

Canada7774 Posts

October 17 2013 19:15 GMT

#497

It's a bit exciting because it's like a new game, but if the changes end up being worse than before, then it sucks balls.

Honestly though, I think I might skip playing pubs in the next 2 weeks or so. I think it will grief me hard with all the imba stuff going on.

Knowing my luck, I'll always be on the receiving end of it.

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

October 17 2013 19:16 GMT

#498

On October 18 2013 04:15 trinxified wrote:
It's a bit exciting because it's like a new game, but if the changes end up being worse than before, then it sucks balls.

-More aggro shit
-More action
-More chaos

Depends on what you wanted. =P

Hermanoid

Sweden213 Posts

October 17 2013 19:16 GMT

#499

I've only read what's not in the spoiler tag, but here goes.

The buyback change is huge. It'll make the endgame even more unstable and tip-toe. I honestly don't like it. Buyback was fine the way it was.

Rosh respawn timer being random forces the teams to pay closer attention to Rosh. I actually like this change. You still have a reason to time Rosh, but you have to check it more frequently so that you won't accidently give it away to the other team.

The new neutral camp allocation is good. They make chainpulling very viable, as the small camp dies much quicker and allows for quicker pulling. It's very biased toward Radiant however, as they have access to a much closer camp for chaining and will be able to do it with just one puller. Dire will probably need two players to chainpull, since the pull window for the camp you would use at the right side jungle was nerfed and probably made unusable. I hope it wasn't though. I really hope it wasnt. Then it would be a different story.

Overall, jungling seems to have become easier, but less rewarding for everyone. This might allow for new jungling heroes. I hope it does.

The new exp mechanic hopefully makes more heroes viable for offlaning, now that just surviving has major rewards. You'll most likely still be up against trilanes or duo with a jungler though.

Overall, the changes are interesing, but I hope they won't make Dota be less about clutch teamfights. That's what separates it from LoL.