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Caldeum1977 Posts
"Crusaders are unbending champions of faith and law. These living fortresses use impenetrable plate and towering shields to wade through scores of foes, leaving demonic bodies smoldering in their wake."
Some key class features:- Crusaders use strength as their main stat, and almost always use shields.
- Their class specific equipment are flails, both 1-hand and 2-hand variations, and crusader shields.
- Crusaders have a passive that will allow them to use a 2-hand weapon and a shield at the same time, for a small 15% movement speed penalty.
- A large portion of Crusader skills have cooldowns. All but one of their non primary and secondary skills have a cooldown.
- The Crusader was designed with the Diablo 2 Paladin as a model, so some skills and general game play will be similar (they are not Paladins though, from the lore they are entirely separate if not hostile toward each other).
- Crusaders can be played as melee or ranged, or a mix of both.
- Crusaders do NOT get the 30% damage reduction that barbarians and monks do, because they are balanced around using a shield and being more of a walking tank that does a lot of damage. As of patch 2.0.4 they do get a 15% damage reduction.
- Their resource is Wrath. Wrath is slowly generated while not in battle, and is also generated from primary skills, blocking attacks, and being hit hard. Quite like Fury really.
Links to more information on the Crusader:
Game guide - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/crusader/
Q&A with the voice actors - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/13290656/crusader-voice-acting-interview-with-blizzpro-3-13-2014
History of the Crusade - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/13183881/the-history-behind-the-crusade-3-10-2014
Lore and History Q&A - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/13183883
Crusader skill design Q&A - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/13354137/crusader-skill-design-qa-3-18-2014
Short story - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/lore/short-story/crusader/
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There's also the short story for the crusader. On mobile so I can't root around for it, but it was quite enjoyable.
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Caldeum1977 Posts
On March 19 2014 09:57 Amui wrote:
There's also the short story for the crusader. On mobile so I can't root around for it, but it was quite enjoyable.
Thanks, I had forgotten and it was good. I added it.
edit: got the real one now lol
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Did anyone keep up with the beta and has information on some of the better builds?
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Caldeum1977 Posts
In the latest hotfix they changed Akarat's Champion so that damage over time triggers the revive, so hopefully that is fixed but it might only be part of the problem so still be careful.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/crusader#WeVflO!ShYa!YZYbZY
That's the build I'm using on my Crusader right now. It's got a few heavy hitting cooldowns for elites and a lot of burst damage, with steed for some extra movement for bounties that can be changed for more offense or defense if needed. Smite with the Reaping rune and Renewal passive gives me some health regen, but I might change Renewal to something else until I get a bit more block. Blessed Hammer with Thunderstruck kills pretty much everything else and doesn't use much wrath at all so there are no wrath generation problems at all with this build. The biggest weakness is sustained damage for sure though, so if I waste my cooldowns on an elite with shielding or just miss-target it takes a lot longer to kill things.
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The Crusader is wonderfully OP at the moment. So much fun to play either with a fast 1h and shield or 2h and shield
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On March 28 2014 12:46 DeepElemBlues wrote:
The Crusader is wonderfully OP at the moment. So much fun to play either with a fast 1h and shield or 2h and shield
You must be playing a different game then cause to me the Crusader feels wimpy and unimpressive in almost every way when compared to my Monk who is worse geared.
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Can anyone confirm how Holy Cause passive works? Does it boost your dmg if your equipped weapon has holy dmg on it, or does it boost your dmg if you use holy dmg skills?
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On March 28 2014 20:37 ViperPL wrote:
Can anyone confirm how Holy Cause passive works? Does it boost your dmg if your equipped weapon has holy dmg on it, or does it boost your dmg if you use holy dmg skills?
It boosts the damage on a weapon that has Holy damage on it. If the weapon adds 1k holy damage the passive will increase that to 1100 damage.
It's a very minor damage buff, completely unnoticeable at lower levels.
The 1% healing effect however is very nice.
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On March 28 2014 17:59 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 12:46 DeepElemBlues wrote:
The Crusader is wonderfully OP at the moment. So much fun to play either with a fast 1h and shield or 2h and shield You must be playing a different game then cause to me the Crusader feels wimpy and unimpressive in almost every way when compared to my Monk who is worse geared.
Weird cus hit Akarat's Champion + have decent life on hit and you can stand there and whale away and basically ignore incoming damage 90% of the time. For me anyway. And even when AC is on cooldown I've had few problems on Master Difficulty so far, maybe when I hit 70 and turn it up to the Torment levels it'll be different.
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KillerSOS-1321/hero/44063550
My current T1 build. It is fantastic in groups with 100% crit and 100% crit damage on elites allowing for some insane burn. Obviously this builds regen is based on holy damage on weapon, and 1% hp regen on hit, so it really doesn't work without a solid holy weapon.
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/AinSophAur-1496/hero/44036346
Opinions on this build? I found this badass shield so I decided to do the whole shield thing. No idea what to think of it as I haven't really tried much of the Crusader's skill set.
Found an Andariel so now I'm kinda locked into using a fire skill ^_^
Also what sort of baselines are there for Torment? I feel like I could probably tank it already, but I don't even do enough damage to make it worthwhile ^_^
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On March 29 2014 09:27 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/AinSophAur-1496/hero/44036346Opinions on this build? I found this badass shield so I decided to do the whole shield thing. No idea what to think of it as I haven't really tried much of the Crusader's skill set.Found an Andariel so now I'm kinda locked into using a fire skill ^_^Also what sort of baselines are there for Torment? I feel like I could probably tank it already, but I don't even do enough damage to make it worthwhile ^_^
You can enchant that and get another damage type; I found a cold andariel on my crusader and switched the property out for holy damage on my first try.
I don't know about baselines, but my crusader only started feeling good doing T1 when I hit around 550k paper dps (and +35% holy damage). Though there are still some elites that annoy the shit out of me.
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On March 29 2014 15:13 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 09:27 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/AinSophAur-1496/hero/44036346Opinions on this build? I found this badass shield so I decided to do the whole shield thing. No idea what to think of it as I haven't really tried much of the Crusader's skill set.Found an Andariel so now I'm kinda locked into using a fire skill ^_^Also what sort of baselines are there for Torment? I feel like I could probably tank it already, but I don't even do enough damage to make it worthwhile ^_^ You can enchant that and get another damage type; I found a cold andariel on my crusader and switched the property out for holy damage on my first try. I don't know about baselines, but my crusader only started feeling good doing T1 when I hit around 550k paper dps (and +35% holy damage). Though there are still some elites that annoy the shit out of me.
The only being able to enchant once worries me though. What if I start playing a demon hunter and want a dex andariel 
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Holy hell. My brother playing his crusader for the 2nd day managed to get a weapon that +2 rays to Holy ray, then a shield that -45% cd off holy ray. With his own 30% cdr, his ray is now on a 7sec cooldown. Considering that the ray last for 4sec(3?) he pretty much can spam his ray all day long.
Those 2 legendaries are insane for crusaders i think?
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Caldeum1977 Posts
On March 30 2014 02:06 Mithhaike wrote:
Holy hell. My brother playing his crusader for the 2nd day managed to get a weapon that +2 rays to Holy ray, then a shield that -45% cd off holy ray. With his own 30% cdr, his ray is now on a 7sec cooldown. Considering that the ray last for 4sec(3?) he pretty much can spam his ray all day long.
Those 2 legendaries are insane for crusaders i think?
I use Holy Ray without having those items and it's awesome. I can't even imagine how crazy op it must be with those items.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kipsate-1495/hero/44166749
with defensive passives on around 8m Tough and 500k dps sheeth
On t1 I can kill elites between 1-5seconds, my combo of Judgement,Law and Bombardment can 1shot most blue packs and will take away ~80% of Yellow packs
The only problem is that my trash clearing is a bit slow and that I have trouble clearing out Act bosses/Rift bosses since they have a ton of hp and my combo is only up like once every minute or so.
oh yeah and you move like a slug ;;.
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Yeah I was thinking of doing something like that, with stacking cooldown, but it's probably going to get nerfed because of that dumb barbarian build king kongor uses. :/
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After rushing to 70 on day 1 with my Wiz, I was excited to start a Crusader and haven't stopped since today really. Very fun class for the most part. I picked up a Blade of Prophecy around level 64 or so I think, around when I finished Act V and began grinding adventure to get to 70. I'm still using it. The Blade of Prophecy + Condemn + Judgment/Resolved, along with a nice Bombardment and/or the crit enhancing Law active, is a hilariously fun combo that actually works really well for elite packs.
The problem is with everything in between. Normal mobs, especially if spread out, are painfully slow. Waiting for cooldowns gets grating, even though the combos when they're up are ridiculous. I tried my Wiz again today for the first time since starting the Crusader, and they're at similar gear levels, but the difference is striking. The Wiz is much faster and more efficient overall, and has the bonus of mobility as well.
I hope they nudge a few things around about the Crusader because I really like the overall class and feel (and they have some insanely cool gear too, yay transmog!!), but at 70 they feel pretty weak unfortunately. I think their long cooldowns are justified, because the combos, while fun, are considerably powerful even compared to other classes. But they really need to retool the wrath spenders I think, because the DPS inbetween cooldowns is ridiculously low, even with Sweep and +elemental damage synergy...
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Crusader Wrath generation is painfull slow and your spenders are unimpressive at best.
All the dmg a Crusader has seems to come from CD's and imo even those dont compare to almost every other class.
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How to lvl up from 60 to 70? I am "only" 67 but this is very demotiviate to play (from 60 to 70), i took ~20h for 7 lvl's. It's bounty/rift still the fastest way to lvl up?
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let your pride go and drop the difficulty.
I dropped to hard, too when i reached like 65, because there just arent any items dropping. At least in campaign they didnt.
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On March 30 2014 20:08 Dingodile wrote:
How to lvl up from 60 to 70? I am "only" 67 but this is very demotiviate to play (from 60 to 70), i took ~20h for 7 lvl's. It's bounty/rift still the fastest way to lvl up?
Find out where the bonus xp pools spawn and check those locations out to stack some bonus exp. That helped me immensely when I leveled the last 10 levels on my crusader.
Also don't waste too much time looking at gear + crafting. All that will quickly be obsolete once you're 70 and get your grind going.
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On March 30 2014 22:31 LaNague wrote:
let your pride go and drop the difficulty.
I dropped to hard, too when i reached like 65, because there just arent any items dropping. At least in campaign they didnt.
Also, never ever do anything on Expert difficulty. The mobs have twice the hp compared to hard, but only 25% more xp.
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On March 31 2014 13:06 nimbim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 22:31 LaNague wrote:
let your pride go and drop the difficulty.
I dropped to hard, too when i reached like 65, because there just arent any items dropping. At least in campaign they didnt. Also, never ever do anything on Expert difficulty. The mobs have twice the hp compared to hard, but only 25% more xp.
Thanks for this.
As it is now, I'm lvl 50ish and one-shot pretty much everything on expert.(due to lvl 60 wep with -13 lv req) Would you say Master is worth it then?
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On March 31 2014 19:05 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 13:06 nimbim wrote:On March 30 2014 22:31 LaNague wrote:
let your pride go and drop the difficulty.
I dropped to hard, too when i reached like 65, because there just arent any items dropping. At least in campaign they didnt. Also, never ever do anything on Expert difficulty. The mobs have twice the hp compared to hard, but only 25% more xp. Thanks for this. As it is now, I'm lvl 50ish and one-shot pretty much everything on expert.(due to lvl 60 wep with -13 lv req) Would you say Master is worth it then?
If you can kill everything reasonably fast, Master is worth it. If you can't kill a treasure goblin, you know the setting was too high.
It's just Expert difficulty that is completely pointless by design.
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So does Bombardment Ignore Treasure Goblins or is it just me.
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On March 31 2014 22:17 Kipsate wrote:
So does Bombardment Ignore Treasure Goblins or is it just me.
Treasure goblins have invincible frames as far as I can tell and are immune to everything.
It's just Expert difficulty that is completely pointless by design.
Expert gives you double blood shards on bounties as well. I haven't found blood shards to be particularly useful though beyond getting a set of ilvl 70 gear.
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Anyone has got any decent way to farm with the crusader ? Every build i try is just too slow to solo with compared to DH and Barb. I don't mind being a bit less efficient, but holy crap it just sucks at farming solo with him. Cooldowns are cool and stuff, but sometimes you need to kill trash and run around, and the crusader can't do any of those semi efficiently.
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On April 01 2014 07:19 Godwrath wrote:
Anyone has got any decent way to farm with the crusader ? Every build i try is just too slow to solo with compared to DH and Barb. I don't mind being a bit less efficient, but holy crap it just sucks at farming solo with him. Cooldowns are cool and stuff, but sometimes you need to kill trash and run around, and the crusader can't do any of those semi efficiently.
Farm 500 blood shards on one of the good classes and then go to the casino with crusader.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
DH/Barb etc are all way faster but my crusader can do T1 at a decent rate
Hammerdin build with lightning dmg
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kipsate-1495/hero/44166749
Provoke is strong for both wrath regen and damage(since wrath regen sucks you kinda need this)
Spam hammers, use Law of Valor and Champion if you want to go to town(use them often since the CDS are short)
Steed for mobility because Crusader is slow as hell(put your Paragon in 10% MS asap), if you don't mind the slowness then you can get Bombardment to destroy Elite Packs.
But yeah still very medicore compared to Wizards, Barbs DHs and Monks
don't know about WD because I never see one.
At T2 and above I either can't clear fast enough or I die to make it worth doing.
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On April 01 2014 07:19 Godwrath wrote:
Anyone has got any decent way to farm with the crusader ? Every build i try is just too slow to solo with compared to DH and Barb. I don't mind being a bit less efficient, but holy crap it just sucks at farming solo with him. Cooldowns are cool and stuff, but sometimes you need to kill trash and run around, and the crusader can't do any of those semi efficiently.
-15% maximum movespeed is quite the burden for farming rates.
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On April 01 2014 08:10 ViperPL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 07:19 Godwrath wrote:
Anyone has got any decent way to farm with the crusader ? Every build i try is just too slow to solo with compared to DH and Barb. I don't mind being a bit less efficient, but holy crap it just sucks at farming solo with him. Cooldowns are cool and stuff, but sometimes you need to kill trash and run around, and the crusader can't do any of those semi efficiently. Farm 500 blood shards on one of the good classes and then go to the casino with crusader.
This reply made me laugh so hard. It really does feel like that's the best way.
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Well I enjoy the class and I'm going to stick with it, it could definitely use some tweaks though, sustained DPS is pretty pitiful.
At 400k damage and 5 mil toughness I can't solo Torment 1 with efficent pace yet, might have to start leeching in groups even though I hate that.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Vaelone-2870/hero/39535786
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On April 01 2014 08:35 Kipsate wrote:DH/Barb etc are all way faster but my crusader can do T1 at a decent rate Hammerdin build with lightning dmg http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kipsate-1495/hero/44166749Provoke is strong for both wrath regen and damage(since wrath regen sucks you kinda need this) Spam hammers, use Law of Valor and Champion if you want to go to town(use them often since the CDS are short) Steed for mobility because Crusader is slow as hell(put your Paragon in 10% MS asap), if you don't mind the slowness then you can get Bombardment to destroy Elite Packs. But yeah still very medicore compared to Wizards, Barbs DHs and Monks don't know about WD because I never see one. At T2 and above I either can't clear fast enough or I die to make it worth doing.
Why Long Arm of the Law? Seems like a mediocre passive.
I'd take Finery, Hold Your Ground, or even Wrathful with your setup.
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On April 01 2014 16:16 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 08:35 Kipsate wrote:DH/Barb etc are all way faster but my crusader can do T1 at a decent rate Hammerdin build with lightning dmg http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kipsate-1495/hero/44166749Provoke is strong for both wrath regen and damage(since wrath regen sucks you kinda need this) Spam hammers, use Law of Valor and Champion if you want to go to town(use them often since the CDS are short) Steed for mobility because Crusader is slow as hell(put your Paragon in 10% MS asap), if you don't mind the slowness then you can get Bombardment to destroy Elite Packs. But yeah still very medicore compared to Wizards, Barbs DHs and Monks don't know about WD because I never see one. At T2 and above I either can't clear fast enough or I die to make it worth doing. Why Long Arm of the Law? Seems like a mediocre passive. I'd take Finery, Hold Your Ground, or even Wrathful with your setup.
where does the healing in there come from? i thought holy cause is basically core on crusader
anyways i have 34% CDR and use lord commander so bombard is pretty much up for every single fight i need it in. i haven't really tried to go past expert on HC yet since i don't have a pair of phase boots, what do you do when you get walled in? pop steed and pray you can path out?
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I like Long Arm of the Law for grouping and its strong for taking out Elites for that little burst that it provides, it also allows almost 100% uptime if I put on Champion so I can do some large amount of burst.
All my healing is LoH/Life regen, I don't do any holy damage so Holy Cause is a nono.
Ill take a look into Finery for soloing though, its 420 str for me.
I play SC so I can't really say anything about HC but in my experience the mobs are dead by the time whatever I am walled in starts doing damage(and I can facetank quite a bit+use a healing pot), if its mass arcane sentries I steed ou.
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oh i thought you used crack, not burst, on justice
is the aoe on burst worth it or are you just using it for stun/+lightning damage?
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Its mostly just for the lightning Damage, my build is based a ton around lightning damage(Thundergods vigor belt pls).
Blessed Hammer
Justice
Provoke
All have the lightning rune.
The stun and aoe on burst is nice but just a bonus. During my burst cycle of Champion, Law and Provoke(Provoke actually makes me do a ton of damage as Lightning as well) I only use Justice like a couple times times(with fast attack speed) before I go back to Blessed Hammer.
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http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Valle-2444/hero/38453889
is my build right now (swap out iron maiden for lord commander)
I really tried other spenderabilites than blessed hammer, but everything felt underwhelming. The Fires of Heaven Rune with Heavens Fury is great, but its so hard to generate wrath that I swapped it out again.
On higher difficulties or grpplay I swap out Steed Charge for Law of Valor with LoH or Crit or Akarat's Champion with Rally.
Overall I feel like a lot of Generators/Spenders are not on par with other classes, I'm also missing runes/passives for higher wrath generation since a lot of spenders break on the high cost in comparison to the low generation
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On April 01 2014 18:15 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 16:16 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 01 2014 08:35 Kipsate wrote:DH/Barb etc are all way faster but my crusader can do T1 at a decent rate Hammerdin build with lightning dmg http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kipsate-1495/hero/44166749Provoke is strong for both wrath regen and damage(since wrath regen sucks you kinda need this) Spam hammers, use Law of Valor and Champion if you want to go to town(use them often since the CDS are short) Steed for mobility because Crusader is slow as hell(put your Paragon in 10% MS asap), if you don't mind the slowness then you can get Bombardment to destroy Elite Packs. But yeah still very medicore compared to Wizards, Barbs DHs and Monks don't know about WD because I never see one. At T2 and above I either can't clear fast enough or I die to make it worth doing. Why Long Arm of the Law? Seems like a mediocre passive. I'd take Finery, Hold Your Ground, or even Wrathful with your setup. where does the healing in there come from? i thought holy cause is basically core on crusader anyways i have 34% CDR and use lord commander so bombard is pretty much up for every single fight i need it in. i haven't really tried to go past expert on HC yet since i don't have a pair of phase boots, what do you do when you get walled in? pop steed and pray you can path out?
I never had an issue pathing out with steed. What is really irritating is that steed has a long cooldown so you end up having to wait for the cooldown if you want to reengage.
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Caldeum1977 Posts
I just read that Long Arm of the Law is bugged and only increases the main skill's active effect by 5 seconds. In other words it only increases the attack speed duration on Law of Valor, but any runes like the crit damage on critical or the movement speed on wings of angels actually still lasts the regular time. I'm in class right now but as soon as I'm out I'll test this myself. If true Long Arm of the Law is pretty much a dead passive as far as I'm concerned, and I use it now.
Edit: Okay in testing I can verify that Wings of Angels and Eternal Hope on Law of Hope does not benefit from Long Arm of the Law, and that Invincible and Critical on Law of Valor does, as well as Faith's Armor and Immovable Object on Law of Justice. So it seems the bug is with Law of Hope only (that I could test at least).
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Caldeum1977 Posts
With the new patch Crusaders got a lot of changes. First off DO NOT use blessed shield with the shattering throw rune because it is bugged and can rebound at you and kill you. Hardcore players beware.
The full patch notes can be found here but the crusader-specific notes I've posted below. The general theme is that most everything got a damage buff, and Crusaders have a 15% damage reduction now, however the design flaw of generating vs spending wrath has been glazed over. I used code so I wouldn't have to format it because I'm lazy.
Crusader
Philosophy
Many of the Crusader's Wrath spenders are below where we would like, while Heaven's Fury -
Fires of Heaven was over-performing. We are toning back Fires of Heaven while increasing the
potency of most of the other Crusader spenders to encourage greater build exploration.
The single-target Wrath generator spells, Punish and Justice, don't feel meaty compared to
generators that can hit more than one target at a time. As a result, we are increasing the potency
of Punish and Justice to be more competitive.
We are making a few adjustments to improve Steed Charge. The cooldown and duration
of the skill have both been reduced. Overall, this makes the total uptime for the skill slightly
higher and, more importantly, you'll be able to hit the button more often. We're removing the
ability for Steed Charge to break stuns, which allows us to focus on Steed Charge being
primarily a mobility skill that can still get you out of root effects, such as Jailer. We still want
Steed Charge to be useful in combat, so we're also increasing the damage on damage-focused
runes.
General
Crusaders now take 15% less damage from all sources
Active Skills
Akarat's Champion
Skill Rune - Rally
Fixed an issue where Rally would not reduce the cooldown of Condemn
Blessed Hammer
Skill Rune - Burning Wrath
Increased radius from 5 to 8 yards
Increased pool damage from 95% to 150% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Icebound Hammer
Bug Fix: Fixed an issue where Icebound Hammer wasn't chilling enemies
Icebound Hammer no longer goes away when exploding
Blessed Shield
Increased base skill damage from 280% to 340% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Combust
Increased damage from 105% to 270% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Shattering Throw
Increased damage from 50% to 333% weapon damage
Known Issue: The tooltip for this skill rune does not reflect this change
Fist of the Heavens
Increased base skill's impact damage from 250% to 340% weapon damage
Increased base skill's bolt damage from 210% to 340% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Divine Well
Increased damage from 14% to 80% weapon damage
Increased bolt zap search radius from 12 to 18 yards
Skill Rune - Fissure
Increased area of effect damage from 80% to 400% weapon damage over 5 seconds
Increased Arc capsule damage radius from 3 to 6 yards
Skill Rune - Heaven's Tempest
Bug Fix: Fixed an issue where Heaven's Tempest was not moving around in its intended
pattern
Heaven's Fury
Skill Rune - Fires of Heaven
Reduced damage from 950% to 735% weapon damage
Justice
Increased base skill damage from 175% to 240% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Burst
Increased damage from 25% to 30% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Hammer of Pursuit
Hammer of Pursuit now seeks targets more quickly after cast
Increased damage from 200% to 300% weapon damage
Phalanx
Increased base skill damage from 295% to 380% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Bowmen
Increased damage from 85% to 160% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Bodyguard
Increased damage from 200% to 285% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Shield Charge
Increased damage from 75% to 180% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Stampede
Increased Stun chance from 25% to 30%
Punish
Increased base skill damage from 200% to 270% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Retaliate
Increased damage from 70% to 94% weapon damage
Shield Bash
Increased base skill damage from 325% to 370% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Crumble
Increased on death proc damage from 550% to 660% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Pound
Increased damage from 550% to 740% weapon damage
Increased bonus damage from shield Block Chance from 150% to 500%
Steed Charge
Reduced base skill cooldown from 25 to 16 seconds
Reduced base skill duration from 2 to 1.5 seconds
No longer breaks Stun
Skill Rune - Endurance
Reduced duration from 3 to 2 seconds
Skill Rune - Ramming Speed
Increased damage from 475% to 515% weapon damage
Skill Rune - Nightmare
Bug Fix: Fixed an issue where the Fire pools were not lasting their full intended
duration
Skill Rune - Draw and Quarter
Increased damage from 125% to 185% weapon damage
Sweep Attack
Increased base damage from 400% to 440% weapon damage
Passive Skills
Lord Commander
Now reduces the cooldown of Steed Charge by 25% and Bombardment by 35%
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Fist of Heavens Fissure seems quite strong now, wrath regen is a lil bit low still tho
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On April 01 2014 23:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 18:15 rauk wrote:On April 01 2014 16:16 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 01 2014 08:35 Kipsate wrote:DH/Barb etc are all way faster but my crusader can do T1 at a decent rate Hammerdin build with lightning dmg http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kipsate-1495/hero/44166749Provoke is strong for both wrath regen and damage(since wrath regen sucks you kinda need this) Spam hammers, use Law of Valor and Champion if you want to go to town(use them often since the CDS are short) Steed for mobility because Crusader is slow as hell(put your Paragon in 10% MS asap), if you don't mind the slowness then you can get Bombardment to destroy Elite Packs. But yeah still very medicore compared to Wizards, Barbs DHs and Monks don't know about WD because I never see one. At T2 and above I either can't clear fast enough or I die to make it worth doing. Why Long Arm of the Law? Seems like a mediocre passive. I'd take Finery, Hold Your Ground, or even Wrathful with your setup. where does the healing in there come from? i thought holy cause is basically core on crusader anyways i have 34% CDR and use lord commander so bombard is pretty much up for every single fight i need it in. i haven't really tried to go past expert on HC yet since i don't have a pair of phase boots, what do you do when you get walled in? pop steed and pray you can path out? I never had an issue pathing out with steed. What is really irritating is that steed has a long cooldown so you end up having to wait for the cooldown if you want to reengage.
About steed i am guessing you dont know you can right click your buff to stop it? So what you say is totally wrong.
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On April 09 2014 15:30 ffswowsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 23:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On April 01 2014 18:15 rauk wrote:On April 01 2014 16:16 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 01 2014 08:35 Kipsate wrote:DH/Barb etc are all way faster but my crusader can do T1 at a decent rate Hammerdin build with lightning dmg http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kipsate-1495/hero/44166749Provoke is strong for both wrath regen and damage(since wrath regen sucks you kinda need this) Spam hammers, use Law of Valor and Champion if you want to go to town(use them often since the CDS are short) Steed for mobility because Crusader is slow as hell(put your Paragon in 10% MS asap), if you don't mind the slowness then you can get Bombardment to destroy Elite Packs. But yeah still very medicore compared to Wizards, Barbs DHs and Monks don't know about WD because I never see one. At T2 and above I either can't clear fast enough or I die to make it worth doing. Why Long Arm of the Law? Seems like a mediocre passive. I'd take Finery, Hold Your Ground, or even Wrathful with your setup. where does the healing in there come from? i thought holy cause is basically core on crusader anyways i have 34% CDR and use lord commander so bombard is pretty much up for every single fight i need it in. i haven't really tried to go past expert on HC yet since i don't have a pair of phase boots, what do you do when you get walled in? pop steed and pray you can path out? I never had an issue pathing out with steed. What is really irritating is that steed has a long cooldown so you end up having to wait for the cooldown if you want to reengage. About steed i am guessing you dont know you can right click your buff to stop it? So what you say is totally wrong.
Hmm, i think you didn't understand what he said. He is speaking about reengaging a pack with the cooldown up, because it is risky to engage withouth it, and it has a long cooldown. By the way, you can cancel it just shift+whatever skill.
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Caldeum1977 Posts
On April 09 2014 08:12 Kipsate wrote:
Fist of Heavens Fissure seems quite strong now, wrath regen is a lil bit low still tho
By the way, if you are in a group with multiple crusaders and everyone uses Fissure, they will connect to each other no matter who casts them, dealing a lot of extra damage.
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Gutted about the Fires of Heaven nerf. That build was so much fun. I can't really justify using it now until they fix the up down aiming thing, although they probably consider it a feature not an issue to be fixed so i'm not hopeful. With all the holy damage and heaven's fury junk on my gear that i'm forced to reroll away from, i think i'll go level another class and hope they fix the directional thing. I can cope with terrible spells when they're op, but if you 'balance' them they need to be more user friendly.
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does anyone know if the Phalanx summons scale like normal skills or like pets?
The Bowmen seem very strong singletarget to me, but i am still leveling.
If they scale like skills(critdamage etc counts), they are very potent.
Also, Shieldbash needs a complete do-over, its almost impossible to hit the targeted mob with it as it pushes away first and then after half an eternetyit applies damage in a tiny zone.
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
The block chance cap according to the sheet is 75% but i've read comments / posts from people stating one can get above this using active abilities like punish - so is the 75% cap just a gear (+ passiv) cap or can't i get above 75% no matter what?
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Asked in the Crusader ingame community chat - they also stated that one can go above the cap (with active abilities only). So grab block chance till cap - punish = gg? :D
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anyone tried a build where you proc a bunch of stuff at enemies from Roar and go permanent 3 stack nephalim buff?
Its pretty fun, only problem is that Rifts often lack the mob density for it.
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Caldeum1977 Posts
I've always been saying that Crusaders must use a 2H weapon to do any damage and I finally found a 1H flail that is making me rethink everything I know about Crusaders. The only reason I'm actually thinking about using it is because it has the game-changing effect of removing the resource cost of Blessed Shield - Gyrfalcon's Foote. I want to know what other people think just based off what they see here because after testing I'm still conflicted. Here is my profile - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Valiver-1742/hero/44044343
The weapons themselves -
Sledge of Athskeleng
2884.2 dps
1.00 attacks per second
1067 Strength (rerolled from movement speed)
4244 Life per Hit
Socket
Gyrfalcon's Foote
2259.6 dps
1.40 attacks per second
697 Strength
10% Reduced Resource costs
+9 Maximum wrath
Removes the resource cost of Blessed Shield
Socket (rerolled from something)
2H build - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/crusader#WedlPi!SaiY!abYZaZ
1H build option 1 - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/crusader#SkQlPi!SUZh!YabZaZ
1H build option 2 - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/crusader#SPQlfi!ShZU!YbbZbZ
For direct damage comparisons - 2H is 823808 profile sheet dps and 1H is 616286 profile sheet dps.
In game damage is about 1.08 million vs 823k sheet dps.
Damage on crits for each ability -
Bowmen - 1.1 vs 2.2 million
Condemn - 11 vs 18 million
My 2H build is probably very close to optimal, however my 1H builds are still in progress since so many abilities change. It's also strange trying to find the best wrath spender that is better than Blessed Shield and I'd almost just not have one at all except it just feels wrong.
General philosophy and pros/cons for each -
1H
- I'm not restricted into using Heavenly Strength as a passive, which gives me another passive and 15% movement speed.
- Everything in the builds are fully ranged except for Condemn (take that goblins and ghosts).
- I don't need ANY wrath generation abilities since Blessed shield replaces Blessed Hammer as my main ability, so Provoke and Righteousness are gone for other stuff.
- The wrath generating passives (and Heavenly Strength) are replaced with Renewal, Fervor, and Hold Your Ground, so I gain 10% attack speed on kill, 15% block chance (which increases Blessed Shield damage) and Renewal is basically 46% chance to heal me for 12k when I'm hit.
- Better single target dps than Blessed Hammer, and no downtime for using Smite to get more wrath for main attack.
- Not as reliable mass aoe as Blessed Hammer builds.
- During long single target fights cooldowns will not do as much damage, however Blessed Shield will do enough damage to more than make up for it, and even do more than a Blessed Hammer build's damage.
2H
- My sheet dps looks so much better
- Each cooldown ability hits for much harder, which means the burst is higher.
- Blessed Hammer is better aoe damage than Blessed Shield.
- Provoke is good for rift groups where I can taunt enemies to save others.
- In long single target fights I will run out of wrath and have to use Smite some, which lowers the dps, even though each cooldown will hit much harder.
- The 4244 Life per Hit on the Sledge is worth a lot.
I'm slowly starting to think that the 1H is marginally better, and that my reluctance to using a 1H over a 2H is mostly just me resisting and systematically rejecting the idea that a 1H could be better than a 2H. There's also a small part of me that doesn't want my profile dps to look so low.
edit: there's also this shield: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/jekangbord that makes Blessed Shield bounce to 4-6 additional enemies. I don't have it (shields never drop) but if I did it might make the aoe of the 1H pass the 2H build.
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to bump this seemingly dead thread:
- are there any crusader players on tl?
- if yes: which spec do you play/prefer? shotgun/foh fire/foh holy/captain america?
- why?
- which build do you think is stronger for high torment rifting?
currently, im gathering gear to start my crusader. already got 3 akhan pieces + rrog (even though its a shitty one...)
atm, Im gambling for fate of the fell since i mostly want to try out the shotgun spec. got several clanmates that use shotgun and they always make my jaw drop when they go full beserker-rape mode on rift bosses.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I personally use Blessed shield Captain America with the Foote
I can run T5 quite comfortably but its not worth it for me to run T6. Crusader has a vast variety of builds and right now it appears as though Firestarter FoH fire build or Shotgun is the most used and strongest T6 build. I personally have not tried Shotgun as I have yet to come across one but I know Hoon uses it. I used to run FoH Lightning which was quite effective at T4, haven't tried it after getting 6p Akhans though but it worked fine(although suffered from wrath problems)
I like Blessed shield as it allows me to spam shit endlessly while retaining quite a bit of single target dmg in Phalanx and Heavens Fury, the most enjoyable parts of Blessed Shield is the way it bounces around doing tons of damage, you can spam it endlessly and shit happens.
I think the most important reason why I like Captain America build though is simply because it is different after having played FoH lightning for such a long time.
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I use shotgun, tried the other two, although with pretty badly rolled pieces.
I can farm T5 easily, T6 requires a bit of kiting so I dont think its worth it.
firestarter takes a few hits for the damage to start building up, so while it probably outdamages shotgun in solo play, it wont do as well with groups since frontloaded damage is more important there. your survivability is also a lot lower, so you would need to kite around a bit at higher torments.
BS Im not sure how good it is anymore after the aoe nerf, doesnt feel like the damage is as competitive on higher torment compared to the other two.
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Caldeum1977 Posts
I have an amazing Gyrfalcon and played blessed shield for over a month, but I got a fate of the fell last week. It's only a 2400 dps one and yet it puts that Gyrf to shame. The damage output is so much higher than blessed shield can ever do, and to be honest after so long using Gyrf it's just fun to do something different (not that blessed shield wasn't fun, but I was the same build for a month). I got a 2350 dps Darklight the other day that I'm going to try out soon, but for now I can say that Shotgun is easily better than Captain America for T5+. For T4 solo blessed shield did about the same and was an easy playstyle, but it couldn't handle single targets at all, and took over a minute to kill a rift guardian so higher wasn't efficient.
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