Gamescom announcement.

On August 02 2013 10:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't even know how they can entice and bring back burned consumers? I'm interested in seeing the expansion, but honestly; D3 has remained on my shelf as the biggest purchase I've made this year.

I mean... what can they do to make the game so much more fulfilling?

On August 03 2013 00:59 flexgd wrote:
1.0.9 is my bet

On August 04 2013 02:00 Muecke wrote:
If the expansion does not have a Non-RMAH Mode, the game is dead for good.

On August 04 2013 05:05 KittenYossarian wrote:

The Game already has a Non-RMAH Mode: Hardcore Mode.

On August 04 2013 05:11 Muecke wrote:


Hardcore is fucking terrible in D3.

On August 02 2013 18:50 ReignSupreme. wrote:



I don't think you watched pre-release content where they actually showed off a PvP arena, and mentioned plans to include something similar to WoW's Arena ranking system. And then scratched it from the game without mentioning it.

Such as this, which was released at Blizzcon 2010. :

and this, where a PvP Matchmaking system is mentioned in the first minutes (2011):

And remember this game came out mid-2012, so perhaps you should at least know the facts before telling someone that they don't listen properly.

On August 02 2013 10:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't even know how they can entice and bring back burned consumers? I'm interested in seeing the expansion, but honestly; D3 has remained on my shelf as the biggest purchase I've made this year.

I mean... what can they do to make the game so much more fulfilling?

On August 04 2013 19:02 Seiniyta wrote:


They've already improved the game a lot since launch. You should definitly check it out again. And remember, only a small minority of the 12 million pc sales complained. It's telling that still over a million people play this game every month. that's a pretty big number. Also, Loot 2.0 is coming a bit after Blizzcon (patch 1.09) Or before that which should make it a lot more interesting. Also, if the expansion fixes a lot of the more harder to repair stuff (the story in the expansion being decent) etc sure. They can bring a lot of consumers back.

On August 05 2013 03:50 unkkz wrote:
There has to be a ladder which resets every few months like in d2 or d3 will never, ever work. No matter how they change the loot the economy is stupidly inflated even in hc. In general they have to port a bunch of stuff over from d2 if the game is supposed to have longevity

On August 05 2013 04:44 Black Gun wrote:

d2 had the same problems with inflation, they just unfolded at a slower pace than the d3 inflation, thanks to the AH. due to the lower (but still high) inflation of d2, ladder resets every 6-12 months solved the issue. as long as the AH is present in d3 and amplifies the inflation, they would have to reset the ladder every 2 months to keep the inflation at bay. and then, the game would lose its appeal as well. nobody will enjoy going through a complete start from scratch that often.

the only chance at longevity i see for d3 is if they introduce casual races and events like on PoE AND introduce ladder seasons AND solve the AH issue.

my hopes are not really high for this to happen....

On August 04 2013 20:26 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
i know guys that had pretty much teary eyes a day before release cause they couldnt believe they finally had d3 in their hands, same guys stopped playing 3 weeks later cause they just didnt like the game at all.

On August 04 2013 18:39 cutler wrote:
Can't wait for new content! I still play D3 daily and it is truly one of my favorite games of all time.

On August 05 2013 16:20 KurtistheTurtle wrote:

this guy

then I found dota 2, and valve. never going back

On August 06 2013 05:35 SarcasmMonster wrote:
It's a bit of a shame, one bad game out of many classics and suddenly people swear to never buy from Blizzard again. D3 expansion might be bad, might be good, it's not like it's impossible for Blizz to put out a decent expansion.

On August 06 2013 06:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:

Given Blizzard's direction with Diablo 3, I'm almost certain that an expansion means more interesting items and one more act.

As long as the game is solely about farming to increase DPS to farm faster, I can't see the game being salvaged.

On August 06 2013 23:45 Duka08 wrote:

Then what made Diablo 2 so successful? What other incentives or end-game could they provide (sans PvP, which is not for everyone) that wouldn't be farming loot "just" to have better loot/DPS?

I find it strange that so many people are still so vehemently against everything related to Diablo 3, even to the point of shitting on others that still enjoy and play the game. Don't get me wrong, I have lots of issues with it as well. I just tried it again recently after not touching it since a month after release, and while there are definitely some ok changes, especially the addition of monster power, it's not enough to rope me back in. Nonetheless, is it so hard to see why people still play the game?

Honestly though, I'm curious to see what changes people could propose that would repair the game to a level where they're even remotely satisfied. My only suggestion lies somewhere in the "remove the AH" as I see that as the one piece of the puzzle that caused the avalanche, for numerous reasons. But that will obviously never happen, for even more numerous reasons.

(btw, rant directed at thread in general, not necessarily you, WolfintheSheep)

On August 06 2013 23:45 Duka08 wrote:

Then what made Diablo 2 so successful? What other incentives or end-game could they provide (sans PvP, which is not for everyone) that wouldn't be farming loot "just" to have better loot/DPS?

I find it strange that so many people are still so vehemently against everything related to Diablo 3, even to the point of shitting on others that still enjoy and play the game. Don't get me wrong, I have lots of issues with it as well. I just tried it again recently after not touching it since a month after release, and while there are definitely some ok changes, especially the addition of monster power, it's not enough to rope me back in. Nonetheless, is it so hard to see why people still play the game?

Honestly though, I'm curious to see what changes people could propose that would repair the game to a level where they're even remotely satisfied. My only suggestion lies somewhere in the "remove the AH" as I see that as the one piece of the puzzle that caused the avalanche, for numerous reasons. But that will obviously never happen, for even more numerous reasons.

(btw, rant directed at thread in general, not necessarily you, WolfintheSheep)

On August 07 2013 07:51 CamTSU wrote:


2 things, plain and simple, PvP and ambiance is what made Diablo 2 so successful.

Even if you never entered PvP a single time in your entire time playing-
What gave items meaning, value, and kept people hungry for the item hunt, was the process of gearing out an amazing PvP character. It really didn't matter if PvP wasn't your thing, the ones that NEEDED the items, that kept the hunger for them alive for so long, were the hardcore players, and when I say hardcore I don't mean literally on hardcore, but the min-maxers that PvP'ed with an obsessive passion. This, in effect, raised the value of these items to the "holy grail" status, so that people hunting monsters might have gotten bored and didn't need them to keep running Baal runs, but they stayed insanely valuable because the ceiling of PvP was infinite due to them. So much of the community was driven by this that it effected the entire thing as a whole, and so many of us kept on playing to duel, and chase those perfect characters, as well as get those super unique items that you could build an entire character build around and start from the beginning with a twinky creative build.

The second thing was ambiance, the story was cool, the scenery, music, atmosphere were all so superior it's not even close. You really felt immersed in diablo 2, in diablo 3 it's terrible. I got bored of the atmosphere of diablo 3 within the first week, it's boring and repetitive. The only saving grace was the insanely unique opportunity to visit Heaven, but even that they only gave us a couple small maps inside a copy pasted linear path, it was a massive disappointment for such an incredibly potential idea for an environment. Another major flop on the part of blizzard.
Diablo 2 created an incredibly nostalgic and addictive environment with aesthetically pleasing, different places to explore, diablo 3 gave us shit.

Oh and it goes without saying really, the Auction House implementation (both the real money and regular auction houses) also had a huge hand in murdering the fun of the item hunt. Why do I care about hunting for drops endlessly when I can simply buy them off the auction house when I get some money? Another terrible addition that gave us nothing to benefit the experience of a game like this.

On August 07 2013 13:59 Duka08 wrote:

I agree with your sentiments, for the most part. Again, I was mostly aiming (probably a bit harshly) at people who find it so profound that anyone still plays Diablo 3. A sentiment which has become pervasive in modern gaming, everything is either the best thing ever, or a piece of shit. Nothing between. It's hard to argue that Blizz doesn't make quality products. I can see why people are upset, and they make tons of mistakes, but it's not hard to see why people might still enjoy playing it. And "playing it" doesn't always mean grinding it for hours every day just with the intention of farming.

More to your points though, you're correct (though all of your points about PvP driving farming and economics I still think could be similarly attributed to the AH, as you said). I just find that so many people simply say "Diablo 2 was better", without offering suggestions as to why, in detail, or how to fix it, in detail. I'm also not trivializing that issue though! It's really hard to point fingers at lots of specific things and how to change it. It's just the overall product. Hard to put a finger on.

It was a disappointment, no doubt. Just not to the degree I find other people saying. And I also don't think it's beyond repair (i.e. I'm not on the "no more Blizz anything" train yet)

On August 10 2013 20:24 plgElwood wrote:
I got D2 after sc2 and have to say it is boring as shit if you play with someone who knows the game well
(lots if clicking and running, skipping story, no atmosphere..). Just because it was "the game" when you were 12, don´t hype it now....

On August 10 2013 20:40 dartoo wrote:



lost of clicking and running in a computer game....really? If you play sc2 with someone you know it's going to be boring build orders that they've read on a website or copied from some pro player...not to mention lost of clicking and tapping on the keyboard.
d2 had waaay more atmosphere than d3. a lot of it in part due to the music and the darker,gothic graphic style.

On August 14 2013 23:41 okinoki wrote:
Soooo it's the expansion "Reaper of Souls"?!

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/reaper-of-souls/

On August 04 2013 19:02 Seiniyta wrote:


They've already improved the game a lot since launch. You should definitly check it out again. And remember, only a small minority of the 12 million pc sales complained. It's telling that still over a million people play this game every month. that's a pretty big number. Also, Loot 2.0 is coming a bit after Blizzcon (patch 1.09) Or before that which should make it a lot more interesting. Also, if the expansion fixes a lot of the more harder to repair stuff (the story in the expansion being decent) etc sure. They can bring a lot of consumers back.

On August 16 2013 06:20 Avs wrote:


I don't know, the story got pretty fucked pretty fast in D3. Sure you can salvage it but that's like writing some bullshit to cover some bullshit, it takes more than a single expansion to fix the plot holes. I think most people who've stopped are either done with D3 or waiting for some sort of magical patch that fixes everything and gives them a reason to start over once again. Just look how dead this forum has become.

On August 20 2013 19:50 kudlaty_true wrote:


Hmmmm...
With Mortal Kombat story it WAS bullshit covering all the bullshit that happen after Mortal kombat trilogy and it worked out pretty awesome. But that was because the MK9 alone was actually a pretty nice, fun game. They got it right for once.
I think that salvaging Diablo 3 is doable at least, IF they put their shit together and come up with something ground breaking.

I think that - when it comes to the story arc - when you'll make a game that is just plain fun and enjoyable, the story kinda goes with it, even if it's bullshit covering some more bullshit.

On August 21 2013 09:51 rezoacken wrote:
The sad part about my relation with Blizzard these days is while I was hugely disapointed by D3 and SC2 and their overall direction/communication and think its becoming an average developer, I will still probably buy the next one... just because I loved their older games so much.

Not sure how long I can keep getting disappointed.

On August 21 2013 10:48 Assault_1 wrote:
how long until they announce this joke

On August 21 2013 17:43 okinoki wrote:


Gamescom starts tomorrow until sunday. So I guess they announce it friday/saturday?!

I'm just hoping that it's not only a trailer and nothing about changes at all.
Maybe new class? Maybe loot 2.0? Maybe the new vendor? New mechanics? New endgame?

I don't think there ever will be a ladder reset because of the RMAH. If they get rid of it, mmmmaybe. But they kinda would have to refund anything that people spent on the RMAH then, not going to happen.
Maybe different Realm without AH and ladders?

Nevermind what is coming, it will take forever to the actual release.

IMO they need to overwork the items and basic stats for characters, so not everybody wants the same gear and more builds become available. Why not buff the trash legendaries? There are so many that are completely useless... Also some kind of new endgame content pls. Infinite random dungeons with random bosses would be cool. Something like that would make the game much more interesting. Now it's just not rewarding. You play, you get shit drops and 1 out of 100 pick-up-worthy items you can maybe sell in the AH to get gold to buy upgrades which are ridiculously expensive at some point.

edit: ok, I just saw it's starting today. Only press can enter now though, dunno if that's a good or a bad thing.

On August 21 2013 19:47 zuqbu wrote:


paragon levels are now infinite, account wide and you can spend stat points…

On August 21 2013 20:35 Dingodile wrote:
what happens with my chars in d3 if i install this addon? I am not fine if i lost all 5 ulow lvl60 chars but i am fine if i lost all items. Maybe so if i play (new) one char to lvl60 or 70, then my 5 lvl60 chars are enabled to play.

On August 21 2013 19:50 Ahzz wrote:

lmao. ahahaha.
So this is how they fix the complaints about not being able to spend stat points :D

On August 21 2013 21:05 FliedLice wrote:


By adding stat points, yes.

On August 21 2013 21:49 HornyHerring wrote:
Funny, everyone being so negative yet I'm sure 99% of you will actually buy the expansion. : )

On August 21 2013 21:09 goiflin wrote:


And in the current context of the game, there's no reason to add them since stats are so shallow that you're only ever going to want two stats. They need to fix that first before they go and add the mechanic in.

On August 21 2013 22:02 Mithhaike wrote:
So it's time to go back to D3 and level my paragon in preparation for the expansion?

On August 21 2013 22:07 Big G wrote:

It's not just stat points, there are 4 categories (core, attack, defense, utility) to customize.

It's probably pointless, we'll be facing lv70+ monsters so the actual 100 levels of Paragon will be a joke.

On August 21 2013 22:37 CruelZeratul wrote:
Anyone else thinks Tyrael will be a "real" angel at the end of act 5 again?

On August 21 2013 21:23 Nekovivie wrote:
Spending stat points 101

Are you a barb? Go STR all the way!
Are you a wiz/wd? Go INT all the way!
Are you a monk/dh? Go DEX all the way!

That's about as much thought needed with the current stat system.

On August 21 2013 21:23 Nekovivie wrote:
Spending stat points 101

Are you a barb? Go STR all the way!
Are you a wiz/wd? Go INT all the way!
Are you a monk/dh? Go DEX all the way!

That's about as much thought needed with the current stat system.

On August 21 2013 21:49 HornyHerring wrote:
Funny, everyone being so negative yet I'm sure 99% of you will actually buy the expansion. : )

On August 22 2013 01:07 strength wrote:
Hopefully they will make baal runs for this game. Please bring Reaper runs !!

On August 22 2013 01:30 Zelniq wrote:
So let me get this straight, they still don't have PvP?

On August 21 2013 22:37 CruelZeratul wrote:
Anyone else thinks Tyrael will be a "real" angel at the end of act 5 again?

On August 22 2013 01:51 Joedaddy wrote:


Aren't you thankful for the PvP you DO have?

On August 22 2013 00:40 architecture wrote:
Not buying without PvP geared revamp.

There's no depth to the gameplay otherwise. That's fine for a hacknslash, but grinding gear for 1000 hours, that's not worth 40-60 dollars.

On August 22 2013 01:30 Zelniq wrote:
So let me get this straight, they still don't have PvP?

On August 22 2013 01:59 RCMDVA wrote:

For example... Strength shoulders. How do you know if you have Vitality + Combo STR/VIT... or STR + Combo STR/VIT...and how do you decide between the two affixes which one to re-roll.

On August 22 2013 02:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
So the new class is a defensive shield-based character in a game that's based on red-lining offensive capabilities to approach maximum farming speed?

No, it's cool. I'm sure you guys know what you're doing, yeah....

On August 21 2013 19:37 PandaCore wrote:
Nice weapon :D
+ Show Spoiler +

Also to be honest, I'm actually quite excited for the expansion. I've spent quite some time with D3 (~400+ hours minimum), even though I was disappointed at first as well. But meh, it's still a nice game. Lately I prefer to play hardcore over softcore though, due to the economy.

On August 22 2013 03:24 Rowa wrote:
In my opinion, unlimited Paragon levels is not equal to unlimited magic find boost, they'll most likely keep the 300 mf max.

On August 22 2013 02:31 Big G wrote:



Defensive?

"The armor percentage is calculated into the damage Crusader does". It is designed so that toughness = damage.

On August 22 2013 06:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


My point was that a character with a shield is probably not going to be the fastest farmer of all the character classes. Unless they go full D2 and we get some kind of weird niche Teleport + Hammer build situation that becomes super mainstream. He could be nice for Hardcore community though. I'll retract my snarkiness for now.

On August 22 2013 06:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


My point was that a character with a shield is probably not going to be the fastest farmer of all the character classes. Unless they go full D2 and we get some kind of weird niche Teleport + Hammer build situation that becomes super mainstream. He could be nice for Hardcore community though. I'll retract my snarkiness for now.

On August 22 2013 07:44 RagequitBM wrote:
If it's $30 or less I'll probably cave in, and try it though.

On August 04 2013 07:35 Qwyn wrote:


Honestly? How is it terrible? I've been playing it for some 60 odd hours and I've quite enjoyed myself.

On August 22 2013 08:15 ViperPL wrote:


Don't forget it's Greedzzard we're dealing with here, so the most probable price is gonna be 60$.

On August 22 2013 02:46 Iblis wrote:
No Matchmaking based PvP...
The technology isn't there yet or they find it not that fun in the end. I must say I'm disappointed how can they not put it in the game when they already invested so much in doing it (it was working in 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1MNiM3Wfz4 ) and that a lot of players wants it.

It makes more specifics PVP items be wanted broadening the ah market and gives more playstyle to aim for.