I am planning to go back to playing D3. I left my Barb after reaching paragon 40.
I just want to know from you guys, what are your motivation to still play diablo 3.
As for me, I got pretty bored running Act 3 inferno in MP 3 for standard mindless runs. A3 MP 1-2 to level paragon A3 MP 5-6 for item hunting.
The game pretty much died for me, it is like having a girlfriend since 13 that you grew old and fell out of love.
Last thing got me excited was to hunt for leoric's signet that I got after making my monk 60 but after I got that and reached paragon 40 I got tired and tried to explore other games like Ragnarok Online 2 or probably going back to SC2 in preparation for HoTs. Last thing I heard there was a PTR for PvP.
Again I am just curious on how are people still motivated in playing diablo3.
It's like gambling for me - no different than a slot machine. You put in the time (or money IRL) and hope you get lucky. It can be addicting and fun.
I've recently moved to a new house and don't have internet so I cashed out a month ago or so and haven't played since. I don't really miss it as weird as that sounds - I played for hours every single day and I enjoyed it a lot. I thought I'd really miss it but so far, I have other games/things to keep me entertained. And, like you, I am looking forward to HotS and getting back into SC2.
If you enjoy it then play it, if you don't, then don't play it. There's no reason to try to make yourself enjoy something.
I try to play with friends, play in Hardcore mode only, and play with builds that I enjoy (for me, I like having skill and good decisions rewarded so I do a skill-shot Wiz).
My game-of-choice at the moment would be the HotS beta, but I have a very young baby at home, so I'm often called away for some time and laddering is impractical. So I need a game that will entertain me without requiring too much attention and that can be paused instantly and indefinitely if needed.
Of course, I play Hardcore only, where there's more of a sense of progression. It doesn't mix too well with insomnia though.
On February 08 2013 01:58 woreyour wrote: I am planning to go back to playing D3. I left my Barb after reaching paragon 40.
I just want to know from you guys, what are your motivation to still play diablo 3.
As for me, I got pretty bored running Act 3 inferno in MP 3 for standard mindless runs. A3 MP 1-2 to level paragon A3 MP 5-6 for item hunting.
The game pretty much died for me, it is like having a girlfriend since 13 that you grew old and fell out of love.
Last thing got me excited was to hunt for leoric's signet that I got after making my monk 60 but after I got that and reached paragon 40 I got tired and tried to explore other games like Ragnarok Online 2 or probably going back to SC2 in preparation for HoTs. Last thing I heard there was a PTR for PvP.
Again I am just curious on how are people still motivated in playing diablo3.
Thanks in advance for sharing.
If you quit because you were bored, you wont be back for very long. Nobody is coming back to the game after this patch. There's really nothing gamebreaking being implemented. No radical changes at all. It's still the same game with some shitty pvp sprinkled on top.
I play the game primarily when I want to kill a lot of monsters and feel like a badass. Despite its flaws, D3's combat system is a definite success in my book, and that is the most appealing part of it. When the combat stops being fun, I take a break for a week or so and come back when I'm in the mood. I don't grind endlessly for loot; that has never been the appeal of Diablo games for me, personally.
I also have some benchmark goals I want to hit with my characters that keeps me somewhat interested, but really it is just about killing monsters. Finding good loot is always fun, but isn't a driving force for me.
Personally my motivation is trying out different classes/builds, and the one i like the most i stick with for most of the time. Every now and then when i get bored of a class I just hop on another (I got everything level 60, but only 1 with gear.) To be honest i think i enjoyed barb the least; it just got boring after a while ( I only reached 10 paragon or so ).
Just try something different in the game (as it doesn't really offer all that much at the minute, not as much as it should do anyways.)
On February 08 2013 02:11 AnomalySC2 wrote: Well you said you're trying out other games like Ragnarok Online 2 to try and replace D3, so why not check out Path Of Exile, if you haven't already.
this really didn't address his question at all.
i still play because i don't have a ton of time to devote to video games, so d3 suits my lifestyle really well being only able to play 1-2 hours at a time. with that time i'm able to grind towards a plvl or maybe get a lucky drop. i still get really excited when i get a legendary drop, even though i've only had a couple decent ones.
On February 08 2013 02:11 AnomalySC2 wrote: Well you said you're trying out other games like Ragnarok Online 2 to try and replace D3, so why not check out Path Of Exile, if you haven't already.
this really didn't address his question at all.
i still play because i don't have a ton of time to devote to video games, so d3 suits my lifestyle really well being only able to play 1-2 hours at a time. with that time i'm able to grind towards a plvl or maybe get a lucky drop. i still get really excited when i get a legendary drop, even though i've only had a couple decent ones.
Well I can't answer his direct question as I don't play D3 myself anymore. I was just offering him a friendly suggestion as I'm loving the hell out of PoE.
On February 08 2013 05:30 HornyHerring wrote: Path of Exile, definitely.
Which shines in everything but gameplay...
What? Quite the opposite. PoE is not the prettiest game ever but the gameplay is miles above any other arpg. But I mean play whatever you like more, that's all that really matters.
On February 08 2013 06:09 Barrin wrote: EVERYONE MUST PLAY THE GAME THAT I LIKE MORE
Whats wrong with that? The more people playing, say PoE (just as an example), the better the game will be because of it. More money for the devs, more content for me. Everyone wins <3
On February 08 2013 06:09 Barrin wrote: EVERYONE MUST PLAY THE GAME THAT I LIKE MORE
Whats wrong with that? The more people playing, say PoE (just as an example), the better the game will be because of it. More money for the devs, more content for me. Everyone wins <3
They sold 12 Million copies of Diablo 3 last year. I played WoW for 8 years, you know how many WoW killer-of-the-month came and went during that time? I'm sure when they finally announce the next D3 expansion with some teaser class / runes / whatevershouldhavebeeninD3release and the xpack will sell at least 6+ million copies. >_> And by then no one will remember PoE is my guess.
On February 08 2013 07:21 Burrfoot wrote: They sold 12 Million copies of Diablo 3 last year. I played WoW for 8 years, you know how many WoW killer-of-the-month came and went during that time? I'm sure when they finally announce the next D3 expansion with some teaser class / runes / whatevershouldhavebeeninD3release and the xpack will sell at least 6+ million copies. >_> And by then no one will remember PoE is my guess.
WoW is not the same genre as D3/PoE. There was never a WoW killer true, but WoW also didn't belly flop into the asphault like D3.
My motivation is to find the perfect item. As far as I am aware there has yet to be a single 100% perfect item. Which actually kind of puts me off from trying. After 9 months with tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people trying... we have yet to win the lottery.
On February 08 2013 07:21 Burrfoot wrote: They sold 12 Million copies of Diablo 3 last year. I played WoW for 8 years, you know how many WoW killer-of-the-month came and went during that time? I'm sure when they finally announce the next D3 expansion with some teaser class / runes / whatevershouldhavebeeninD3release and the xpack will sell at least 6+ million copies. >_> And by then no one will remember PoE is my guess.
WoW is not the same genre as D3/PoE.
i think we should probably stay on topic. this has nothing to do with what the op was asking. poe vs. d3 is being actively discussed in several other threads in the d3 forum already.
On February 08 2013 07:21 Burrfoot wrote: They sold 12 Million copies of Diablo 3 last year. I played WoW for 8 years, you know how many WoW killer-of-the-month came and went during that time? I'm sure when they finally announce the next D3 expansion with some teaser class / runes / whatevershouldhavebeeninD3release and the xpack will sell at least 6+ million copies. >_> And by then no one will remember PoE is my guess.
The problem with the WoW-killer mentality is that people are attached to a game they actively play, and like many things, the more time you invest, the harder it is to step away. You don't take WoW's players by making a better game, you simply attract the people who were already bored and were looking for something new to begin with.
Games don't "kill" other games, players just lose interest in games and wait for something else to occupy their time.
A large percentage of D3's player-base is already at that stage, as anyone can see from post-patch traffic. You've got your die-hard core that will keep playing regardless of anything, and then everyone else that just pops in from time-to-time, and will have some interest when new content arrives.
Gearing up for MP10 ubers on my CM wizard kept me going for a while. I suppose patch 1.07 and the new crafting will keep entertainment for another week.
I was really hoping this game would do truth to the Diablo franchise but it just didn't do it for me. Couple characters played on hardcore and then I lost interest. What happened when you level?..... nothing, follow the line.
For me it is mainly about the drops. Had some good luck first 25 paragon levels and found 3 items around 50M, and a few around 20M. After paragon 30 though (now 50), I have found nothing I sold for more than 10M, and only one or two above 5M. Which does make it boring. How many hours of farming for that 6cc-mempo-class drop before I give up? We will see...
On February 08 2013 09:33 Cascade wrote: For me it is mainly about the drops. Had some good luck first 25 paragon levels and found 3 items around 50M, and a few around 20M. After paragon 30 though (now 50), I have found nothing I sold for more than 10M, and only one or two above 5M. Which does make it boring. How many hours of farming for that 6cc-mempo-class drop before I give up? We will see...
Doing keys/ubers does make it better though.
Strange, I had like the exact same experience. First 25 paragon levels I found several items which were worth a lot... I am up to like 40ish now and basically nothing. Even went about 3 levels (was like 32-35) without a single legendary dropping.
On February 08 2013 09:33 Cascade wrote: For me it is mainly about the drops. Had some good luck first 25 paragon levels and found 3 items around 50M, and a few around 20M. After paragon 30 though (now 50), I have found nothing I sold for more than 10M, and only one or two above 5M. Which does make it boring. How many hours of farming for that 6cc-mempo-class drop before I give up? We will see...
Doing keys/ubers does make it better though.
Strange, I had like the exact same experience. First 25 paragon levels I found several items which were worth a lot... I am up to like 40ish now and basically nothing. Even went about 3 levels (was like 32-35) without a single legendary dropping.
But in all seriousness, I hear you. At a certain point it also felt like I got good drops just after I had gotten more MF gear... >_>
In the end it is not outside what you can expect from RNG though. Maybe we also feel a bit biased, because at first, every legendary makes you a bit excited, even if it ends up being salvaged, but now I don't even blink when legendary two handed sword number 3 in the same run drops... Imagine how lucky I would have felt if I got three legendaries in the same run when I was paragon lvl 10!
I'll share how it went/goes for me in a chronological format heh:
-In the start it was plain fun, leveling was fun, playing with IRL friends was fun -Got boring. Time to quit? But then this TL thread popped up about A3 mf/group farming.. Became lots of fun again for a monthish -Many players moved on from the game, to hardcore, etc. At this point I began playing AH3 -- found that I was actually having a lot of fun doing that (can multitask, can just hop in for a 15 minute session, etc). Made a ton of gold doing it too. But then, this slowed down too. No fun -With tons of gold massed, rather than cashout/quit, completed some key upgrades, became capable breezing thru mp10 ubers easily, did hundreds of runs. Got a sick trifecta + life% HF ring after ~100 runs, continued doing them exclusively and nothing else for pure fun with D3 friends (no real life friends/TL friends left playing at this point for the most part) -Now i've grown tired of ubers, wrists sore from spamming lol. More players/friends from D3 have quit. AH traffic is all but dead -- no more possibility of playing "AH3". -Cashing out, moving on, satisfied
On February 08 2013 12:42 FallDownMarigold wrote: I'll share how it went/goes for me in a chronological format heh:
-In the start it was plain fun, leveling was fun, playing with IRL friends was fun -Got boring. Time to quit? But then this TL thread popped up about A3 mf/group farming.. Became lots of fun again for a monthish -Many players moved on from the game, to hardcore, etc. At this point I began playing AH3 -- found that I was actually having a lot of fun doing that (can multitask, can just hop in for a 15 minute session, etc). Made a ton of gold doing it too. But then, this slowed down too. No fun -With tons of gold massed, rather than cashout/quit, completed some key upgrades, became capable breezing thru mp10 ubers easily, did hundreds of runs. Got a sick trifecta + life% HF ring after ~100 runs, continued doing them exclusively and nothing else for pure fun with D3 friends (no real life friends/TL friends left playing at this point for the most part) -Now i've grown tired of ubers, wrists sore from spamming lol. More players/friends from D3 have quit. AH traffic is all but dead -- no more possibility of playing "AH3". -Cashing out, moving on, satisfied
There is an un-written part that goes like this; "Expansion comes out. I come back to D3 and so do 90% of my friends and now the game is a lot better than it was before so I'm enjoying it again."
Let's not forget that every Blizz game has gotten wayyyy better with expansions. Let's give it hope, if the expansion face flops on the ground, then the game is officially over/dead in my eyes.
On February 08 2013 07:51 Doso wrote: Gearing up for MP10 ubers on my CM wizard kept me going for a while. I suppose patch 1.07 and the new crafting will keep entertainment for another week.
Why you wanna do that? High MPs are never worth it. Because the ridiculous amount of HP will never make it possible to farm efficiently.
On February 08 2013 07:51 Doso wrote: Gearing up for MP10 ubers on my CM wizard kept me going for a while. I suppose patch 1.07 and the new crafting will keep entertainment for another week.
Why you wanna do that? High MPs are never worth it. Because the ridiculous amount of HP will never make it possible to farm efficiently.
You run ubers on MP0?
I agree that gearing up for higher MPs adds to the fun, and ubers are what motivates me to do that, so that is one thing working well in D3 imo.
On February 08 2013 02:11 AnomalySC2 wrote: Well you said you're trying out other games like Ragnarok Online 2 to try and replace D3, so why not check out Path Of Exile, if you haven't already.
thanks, yeah i am planning to try this. I stumbled upon this when I googled "hack and slash similar to diablo" lol
I love it how the PoE players always highjack d3 threads Come on guys, if it's sooooo good, why you spend your time on d3 forums (not only this one) trying to convert people. We've understood that you have the biggest skill tree in fuckin history but the game is only fun when you choose attack speed!
Id seriously advise you to play hardcore self found. or at least hardcore. You may think it makes no difference, but the truth is, between the adrenalin rushes you get each time your screen goes red and an(kinda)well working aunction house, its a completely different experience. There is also an active community on TL here:
I played sorc until 1.02, then started speculating on AH. After 1.04 it became less profitable and I quit for like 4 months. Then I returned to play a barb just to slaughter some monsters. By that time I forgot everything and was just enjoying the game in the old D2-style. I was intrigued by the hellfire ring (2 months after it came out lol) and started farming it. Then I found out that barbs were actually OPed and started doing Alkaizer runs, which are damn fun as a barb! I have a couple of friends that were doing it also with other classes and I immensely enjoyed getting way ahead of them while spending very little time playing.
About 2 weeks ago I discovered hardcore. That's where the real fun began.
On February 08 2013 07:37 TheRabidDeer wrote: My motivation is to find the perfect item. As far as I am aware there has yet to be a single 100% perfect item. Which actually kind of puts me off from trying. After 9 months with tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people trying... we have yet to win the lottery.
yeah I have the same motivation way back.. but investing say 4-5hrs a day and looting nothing valuable really made me frustrated.
my past motivations include finding uber rare/legendary item - problem now is looking for a party - all my friends quit lol
On February 08 2013 09:28 Goshawk. wrote: Why do you even need to find motivation to play the game? If it's boring just don't play it.
I am just interested with other people's motivation and also try to check other options. Well yes thats what im doing for the past months - not playing it but i am trying to find out other ways and other points of view and maybe love the game again.
On February 08 2013 06:17 Burrfoot wrote: My motivation is to actually find a $250 item. I've sold a bunch of items for $200+ (all flipped) but that one uber drop still eludes me!
Yeah that was one of my goals before, but after seeing a decline numbers in players I really don't see the benefit if I found one. Are you still able to sell one?
On February 08 2013 06:29 Frankenberry wrote: Play Hardcore only or Path of the Exile =)
Or try something original, like melee demon hunter or something silly.
Believe me it crossed my mind as well lol ^^ I just hate it why bows are not working with my barb
The odds of finding an item to sell for $200+ are incredibly low, although still possible imo.
For D3 - playing hardcore with self bound limitations such as not using whatever is "the" best build for whichever class you are playing. Either that or slot machine mentality and hope you get lucky to find said item.
As others have said, checking out PoE is worthwhile IMO, the combat doesn't feel as good as D3 but the game is worth checking out just for Lunaris Temple lvl 3, the kind of atmosphere there sets a bar for environments that D3 hasn't even come close to accomplishing
All the rabid PoE fandom (looking at you Anomaly) aside, there's no way D3 is even remotely close to the addiction level of WoW. For one the late game/long time motivation factor is lower by far but most importantly D3 (and Sc2 for that matter) has close to zero social interaction. Players always come back to WoW because of the friends they made over the years. There's nothing like that for D3- Hurray for Bnet 2.0 .
edit: D3 is definetly "killable" compared to WoW is what I'm saying I guess. OT: When it comes to motivation you just gotta know what kind of player you are: Personally I find that I always have a hard time to do repetitive tasks (grinding/farming what have you) in any game but a lot of my friends enjoy some "mindless" farming after the days work, it helps them relax. So if you're looking for something new/ exiting you're unlikely to find that in D3, if you're motivated by other factors (like some of your fellow posters in here) sticking with D3 might be a decent idea.
Yea, finding that nearly-perfect item to sell for 200+ seems less and less likely, but still possible! I mostly spend my time flipping stuff on both AHs, makes a lot more profit than farming ever did for me, but farming has the tiny paragon carrot of xp that is some measurable amount of character progression now that I have no upgrade paths left on my SC monk (not that my gear is anywhere near good, just nearly the perfect set for the build/mp I run) And my 60 HC Monk is stuck in terms of upgrades as well! No motivation to farm or flip and any direct upgrade either doesn't exist on AH or way out of my 10m budget ;D
As for all the people saying "I only found good drops my first 20 paragon levels"... you do realize there are probably a million or so other players leveling at the same rate and increasing their MF at the same rate, so that 50m item you sold at Plvl 20 is probably only worth 20m if you found the exact item at plvl 50. I've found maybe 10 of the Grand Vizier MF/GF staff adn they used to sell for 30m, then 15, then 10, then 5, then down to 150k now. Completely terrible rolls, but the market gets saturated. It's not that the drops are getting worse, they are just accumulating and never getting removed from the game. The only way items would increase in value is if the items were "consumed".. like they are in Hardcore, which is why a lot of people like the AH there.
So motivation currently involves waiting for patch 1.07 coming so I can "cash out" all my crafting, gold, etc when the demand ticks up in SC. And then craft some upgrades for my HC Monk!
On February 08 2013 17:42 Douillos wrote: I love it how the PoE players always highjack d3 threads Come on guys, if it's sooooo good, why you spend your time on d3 forums (not only this one) trying to convert people.
I post on forums while at work, can't play PoE at work.
On February 08 2013 17:42 Douillos wrote: I love it how the PoE players always highjack d3 threads Come on guys, if it's sooooo good, why you spend your time on d3 forums (not only this one) trying to convert people.
I post on forums while at work, can't play PoE at work.
Soooooooooooooo you hijack d3 threads instead of being constructive on any other PoE. Admit it, your bored, but too proud to come back <3
Going around cleaving @20 fps must get boring I understand
On February 08 2013 17:42 Douillos wrote: I love it how the PoE players always highjack d3 threads Come on guys, if it's sooooo good, why you spend your time on d3 forums (not only this one) trying to convert people.
I post on forums while at work, can't play PoE at work.
Soooooooooooooo you hijack d3 threads instead of being constructive on any other PoE. Admit it, your bored, but too proud to come back <3
Going around cleaving @20 fps must get boring I understand
I'm not hijacking anything, just spreading the arpg awesomeness that is PoE. I find it far superior to D3, which many other players found disappointing, so I imagine I'd be doing gamers a favor by recommending them such an awesome game. And yes I AM bored, work is slow.
I dunno what you mean by cleaving at 20 fps....here are just two examples of the craziness you can come up with in PoE
On February 08 2013 22:17 Burrfoot wrote: Yea, finding that nearly-perfect item to sell for 200+ seems less and less likely, but still possible! I mostly spend my time flipping stuff on both AHs, makes a lot more profit than farming ever did for me, but farming has the tiny paragon carrot of xp that is some measurable amount of character progression now that I have no upgrade paths left on my SC monk (not that my gear is anywhere near good, just nearly the perfect set for the build/mp I run) And my 60 HC Monk is stuck in terms of upgrades as well! No motivation to farm or flip and any direct upgrade either doesn't exist on AH or way out of my 10m budget ;D
As for all the people saying "I only found good drops my first 20 paragon levels"... you do realize there are probably a million or so other players leveling at the same rate and increasing their MF at the same rate, so that 50m item you sold at Plvl 20 is probably only worth 20m if you found the exact item at plvl 50. I've found maybe 10 of the Grand Vizier MF/GF staff adn they used to sell for 30m, then 15, then 10, then 5, then down to 150k now. Completely terrible rolls, but the market gets saturated. It's not that the drops are getting worse, they are just accumulating and never getting removed from the game. The only way items would increase in value is if the items were "consumed".. like they are in Hardcore, which is why a lot of people like the AH there.
So motivation currently involves waiting for patch 1.07 coming so I can "cash out" all my crafting, gold, etc when the demand ticks up in SC. And then craft some upgrades for my HC Monk!
Very true words.
So basically, if you want to make money you really need to constantly play the game to utilise the high prices to your advantage. If you just want to have some fun and afford good gear then it is actually preferable to wait a while after a patch/ update.
On February 08 2013 22:17 Burrfoot wrote: Yea, finding that nearly-perfect item to sell for 200+ seems less and less likely, but still possible! I mostly spend my time flipping stuff on both AHs, makes a lot more profit than farming ever did for me, but farming has the tiny paragon carrot of xp that is some measurable amount of character progression now that I have no upgrade paths left on my SC monk (not that my gear is anywhere near good, just nearly the perfect set for the build/mp I run) And my 60 HC Monk is stuck in terms of upgrades as well! No motivation to farm or flip and any direct upgrade either doesn't exist on AH or way out of my 10m budget ;D
As for all the people saying "I only found good drops my first 20 paragon levels"... you do realize there are probably a million or so other players leveling at the same rate and increasing their MF at the same rate, so that 50m item you sold at Plvl 20 is probably only worth 20m if you found the exact item at plvl 50. I've found maybe 10 of the Grand Vizier MF/GF staff adn they used to sell for 30m, then 15, then 10, then 5, then down to 150k now. Completely terrible rolls, but the market gets saturated. It's not that the drops are getting worse, they are just accumulating and never getting removed from the game. The only way items would increase in value is if the items were "consumed".. like they are in Hardcore, which is why a lot of people like the AH there.
So motivation currently involves waiting for patch 1.07 coming so I can "cash out" all my crafting, gold, etc when the demand ticks up in SC. And then craft some upgrades for my HC Monk!
Yeah, I agree. So it is still possible to make money from flipping? Maybe should try that instead.
Regarding prices, I was almost a bit disappointed to see that my lacunis with 5.5 cc (whic was one of my good drops early on) was at essentially the same price as when I found them. Maybe down from 70M to 60M, but barely that. The rare ring though (which was my other big drop) had fallen a lot in price. So some things lose value faster than others it seems.
On February 09 2013 21:04 TangyOrange wrote: HC increased the fun level of diablo 3 for me a lot.
Ya I totally agree with all the D3 critics when it comes to playing Softcore. There is absolutely no challenge. It's just a mindless grind that requires no skill. You are guaranteed to beat the game, guaranteed to get paragon level 100, as long as you put in the time. There is no accomplishment in Softcore.
Play Hardcore, and see how that changes things for you. I can't believe how much more fun I have playing HC in D3, I couldn't ever imagine playing Softcore ever again. It's like a whole new world in HC, 100000000x more fun / challenging / exciting / satisfying.
On February 09 2013 21:04 TangyOrange wrote: HC increased the fun level of diablo 3 for me a lot.
Ya I totally agree with all the D3 critics when it comes to playing Softcore. There is absolutely no challenge. It's just a mindless grind that requires no skill. You are guaranteed to beat the game, guaranteed to get paragon level 100, as long as you put in the time. There is no accomplishment in Softcore.
Play Hardcore, and see how that changes things for you. I can't believe how much more fun I have playing HC in D3, I couldn't ever imagine playing Softcore ever again. It's like a whole new world in HC, 100000000x more fun / challenging / exciting / satisfying.
I don't really see how HC is considered a "challenge". The nature of mistakes are still the same, the skills needed to avoid the mistakes are still the same, it's just the punishment is different. I would say that the grind factor of HC is even higher than SC, since you play more safe and have to overlevel yourself by grinding before moving on to the next zone. Fun? Yes, since the adrenaline rush of constantly having 1 life with no save points is pretty awesome. Challenging? Not really, since both modes offer exactly the same gameplay with the same mechanics.
On February 09 2013 21:04 TangyOrange wrote: HC increased the fun level of diablo 3 for me a lot.
Ya I totally agree with all the D3 critics when it comes to playing Softcore. There is absolutely no challenge. It's just a mindless grind that requires no skill. You are guaranteed to beat the game, guaranteed to get paragon level 100, as long as you put in the time. There is no accomplishment in Softcore.
Play Hardcore, and see how that changes things for you. I can't believe how much more fun I have playing HC in D3, I couldn't ever imagine playing Softcore ever again. It's like a whole new world in HC, 100000000x more fun / challenging / exciting / satisfying.
I don't really see how HC is considered a "challenge". The nature of mistakes are still the same, the skills needed to avoid the mistakes are still the same, it's just the punishment is different. I would say that the grind factor of HC is even higher than SC, since you play more safe and have to overlevel yourself by grinding before moving on to the next zone. Fun? Yes, since the adrenaline rush of constantly having 1 life with no save points is pretty awesome. Challenging? Not really, since both modes offer exactly the same gameplay with the same mechanics.
How is it not a challenge? Prolly 90% of created characters don't reach level 60, a I guarantee less than 1% make to Paragon 50. That means its a challenge... and gives you a sense of accomplishment if you are able to do it, which makes the leveling actually mean something.
In softcore its just "oh you hit paragon 100, musta played a lot congrats" but in hardcore its "DAMN good job" cuz it means you navigated like 250 hours of gameplay without something stupid happening and played smart.
If less than 1% of characters make it to paragon 50, I can't see how u don't think that means it's hard / a challenge.
On February 09 2013 21:04 TangyOrange wrote: HC increased the fun level of diablo 3 for me a lot.
Ya I totally agree with all the D3 critics when it comes to playing Softcore. There is absolutely no challenge. It's just a mindless grind that requires no skill. You are guaranteed to beat the game, guaranteed to get paragon level 100, as long as you put in the time. There is no accomplishment in Softcore.
Play Hardcore, and see how that changes things for you. I can't believe how much more fun I have playing HC in D3, I couldn't ever imagine playing Softcore ever again. It's like a whole new world in HC, 100000000x more fun / challenging / exciting / satisfying.
I don't really see how HC is considered a "challenge". The nature of mistakes are still the same, the skills needed to avoid the mistakes are still the same, it's just the punishment is different. I would say that the grind factor of HC is even higher than SC, since you play more safe and have to overlevel yourself by grinding before moving on to the next zone. Fun? Yes, since the adrenaline rush of constantly having 1 life with no save points is pretty awesome. Challenging? Not really, since both modes offer exactly the same gameplay with the same mechanics.
HC is just playing slower and more careful. Thats not what D3 should be about. I play D3 because I want to play something casually - I don't want to be 100% concentrated while playing - thats why I don't play HC.
On February 11 2013 04:38 Slackzftw wrote: HC is just playing slower and more careful. Thats not what D3 should be about. I play D3 because I want to play something casually - I don't want to be 100% concentrated while playing - thats why I don't play HC.
True I guess, nothing stops you from playing both. Your achievements and progression just feels more rewarding in HC, even if you do 1/4th the dps and have a slow defensive build, the no-RMAH factor feels more D2ish and no guilt in using items that could sell for actual money. I find it enjoyable from time to time between slowly grinding to 100 in SC.