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Kerans
Profile Joined November 2011
Italy58 Posts
September 03 2012 14:31 GMT
#61
On September 03 2012 23:21 Burrfoot wrote:
I believe you can equip a 1.03 and 1.04 JL at the same time. Haven't personally confirmed though. So you can block fire chains but not arcane? As melee the main problem affixes I have are molten on a mob that runs..


You're not alone man but no, only thing that works against molten is fire resistance as far as I know.
"Walk softly, and carry a big stick"
CT Legacy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States57 Posts
September 04 2012 07:04 GMT
#62
Rend for me is awesome! I've been using a 2H build since the game came out. with Frenzy/maniac the DPS is pretty insane. Right now i'm pretty low with all mf/gf gear. But you give up a little bit of tanky-ness for a lot of killing power. 700% of your weapon damage with a 2H is a TON. tick are usually around 10k and i'm sure I could get a lot more in my full gear.
I think the buff was awesome and I did the whole 1H LoH build just for solo-ing and its great but in a party I much prefer 2H rend/revenge. Still stuck in A2 but haven't updated all of my gear since the patch so I don't really see a problem getting a bigger boost when I do update
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McNulty
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 07:27:17
September 04 2012 07:25 GMT
#63
On September 04 2012 16:04 CT Legacy wrote:
Rend for me is awesome! I've been using a 2H build since the game came out. with Frenzy/maniac the DPS is pretty insane. Right now i'm pretty low with all mf/gf gear. But you give up a little bit of tanky-ness for a lot of killing power. 700% of your weapon damage with a 2H is a TON. tick are usually around 10k and i'm sure I could get a lot more in my full gear.
I think the buff was awesome and I did the whole 1H LoH build just for solo-ing and its great but in a party I much prefer 2H rend/revenge. Still stuck in A2 but haven't updated all of my gear since the patch so I don't really see a problem getting a bigger boost when I do update


Thing is, 2H has "always" worked perfectly fine in A2. That's the only thing I ever played on my barb, and with a self found 2H weapon and AH gear for about 8 mill, A2 was no problem.

However, once you get to Skull cleavers, Tremor, Quillrats, Spearmen and all that other nasty, slow hitting stuff in A3, the problems arise. On alot of the elite groups, you take more damage than you are able to recover from. Skull Cleavers are especially nasty, since their slow attack speed gives very little Revenge procs, but hurts like hell.

Sure you can kill alot of the elites, but most of them will require atleast 1 death. Atleast at my gear level I found it to be inefficient for farming...

Have not played much Barb since patch, so can't say for sure how it pans out with the stat buffs to two handers, the new skills and so on. I guess it should work pretty good with decent gear and the right skills (no shit sherlock). Tried out the new 405% dmg rune for Hammer, and must admit the crits with it and 2H are pretty funny. With WOTB up the standard number is 800-900k, and the highest I've had have been 1,2 million.

vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
September 04 2012 08:43 GMT
#64
I think if you go 2 hander a slam build would be better than rend/revenge in act 3. Rend and revenge are such tanky skills and if you arent using a shield you probably want to avoid getting surrounded and instead line em up!

After reading bruteMAXs comment and upgrading my weapon I dropped WotB for Battle Rage and im loving it, I really hated the 2 min CD and with the Bash buff up I am at 66k dps now and the rends are so beautiful.
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Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
September 04 2012 13:11 GMT
#65
I love Rend with my style, I usually sprint & leap back and forth while spamming rend over 9000 mobs. I'ts very fun. Shield is still useful, 200str and 10%cc can outperform most 2handers while providing a lot of survivability.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709

daredpanda
Profile Joined January 2012
United States60 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 20:50:37
September 05 2012 20:47 GMT
#66
First of all. GREAT GUIDE!

I've found my self at a rut. I can solo act 2 no problem. Act 3, I need more EHP. Any advice for which of my armor pieces i should upgrade first?

And how do you farm for good gear and gold? I noticed in your gear you have no mf. I've been incorporating mf in my gear so I can get some gold and good gear to sell

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/RedPanda-1900/hero/13142956

thanks!
Terran sandwich with Archon bread. GG all day long!
Kerans
Profile Joined November 2011
Italy58 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 00:26:31
September 06 2012 00:25 GMT
#67
On September 06 2012 05:47 daredpanda wrote:
First of all. GREAT GUIDE!

I've found my self at a rut. I can solo act 2 no problem. Act 3, I need more EHP. Any advice for which of my armor pieces i should upgrade first?

And how do you farm for good gear and gold? I noticed in your gear you have no mf. I've been incorporating mf in my gear so I can get some gold and good gear to sell

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/RedPanda-1900/hero/13142956

thanks!


Try to get some more all res on your gear, first of all on your shield (a sacred is not mandatory, but it sure helps with a decent block chance), and more all res on the rest if it if you can. Ditch Juggernaut for Superstition if your budget does not allow this - or rather, ditch Juggernaut whatever you put in its place, in my honest opinion. Jewelry aside, I think that you can skimp on all res on 1 or 2 slots max, but that's just me. Plus, Rend/Blood Lust+Revenge+Furious Charge+Ignore Pain is way too much defensive stuff, try switching one of those for Battle Rage/Marauder Rage for some more DPS, which might actually help you survive some encounters. As for farming, time, patience, an absolute resistance to boredom and constant knowledge of Murphy's Law are the key ingredients.

EDIT: What on earth are you doing with anything but Impunity on War Cry???
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daredpanda
Profile Joined January 2012
United States60 Posts
September 06 2012 03:12 GMT
#68
On September 06 2012 09:25 Kerans wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:47 daredpanda wrote:
First of all. GREAT GUIDE!

I've found my self at a rut. I can solo act 2 no problem. Act 3, I need more EHP. Any advice for which of my armor pieces i should upgrade first?

And how do you farm for good gear and gold? I noticed in your gear you have no mf. I've been incorporating mf in my gear so I can get some gold and good gear to sell

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/RedPanda-1900/hero/13142956

thanks!


Try to get some more all res on your gear, first of all on your shield (a sacred is not mandatory, but it sure helps with a decent block chance), and more all res on the rest if it if you can. Ditch Juggernaut for Superstition if your budget does not allow this - or rather, ditch Juggernaut whatever you put in its place, in my honest opinion. Jewelry aside, I think that you can skimp on all res on 1 or 2 slots max, but that's just me. Plus, Rend/Blood Lust+Revenge+Furious Charge+Ignore Pain is way too much defensive stuff, try switching one of those for Battle Rage/Marauder Rage for some more DPS, which might actually help you survive some encounters. As for farming, time, patience, an absolute resistance to boredom and constant knowledge of Murphy's Law are the key ingredients.

EDIT: What on earth are you doing with anything but Impunity on War Cry???


Thanks for the advice. I run with Impunity. Invigorate was just something I was showing to a friend earlier. I don't run with that.
Terran sandwich with Archon bread. GG all day long!
icyF
Profile Joined June 2008
Finland305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 06:26:28
September 06 2012 06:18 GMT
#69
Hey guys, I've read through this thread and picked up some good advice on the way. I'm currently in Act 2, and some of the tougher elites give me a hard time.

What would you guys suggest I upgrade next in my gear? I currently have around 1m in cash, so maybe just one or two items at most?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/icyF-2668/hero/8645775

Good advice is very much appreciated!

edit: And a very big thanks to Trang for creating this guide!
daredpanda
Profile Joined January 2012
United States60 Posts
September 06 2012 07:00 GMT
#70
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you should do fine if you change your skills around. I prefer bash w/ pulverize. Better fury generator for rend. And maybe change GroundStomp to FuriousCharDreadNaught. Those are my thoughts. I dont't know where you should start with gear.

Terran sandwich with Archon bread. GG all day long!
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 09:22:18
September 06 2012 08:30 GMT
#71
On September 06 2012 15:18 icyF wrote:
Hey guys, I've read through this thread and picked up some good advice on the way. I'm currently in Act 2, and some of the tougher elites give me a hard time.

What would you guys suggest I upgrade next in my gear? I currently have around 1m in cash, so maybe just one or two items at most?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/icyF-2668/hero/8645775

Good advice is very much appreciated!

edit: And a very big thanks to Trang for creating this guide!

Skills:
I would suggest changing Ground Stomp to Leap + Iron Impact. Iron Impact is actually better than ground stomp defensively, because you are near-invincible while the buff is active. Furthermore, it works for enemies that are a little further away (eg spear throwers), that would not have been hit by your ground stomp stun (because Iron Impact is a buff that is active on you, not a debuff that you must apply to enemies). AND, because enemies are not stunned, they can proc your revenge ability. Plus, it's fun and gives good maneuverability.

Your other skills are fine. You shouldn't need another healing ability; Revenge and Rend should be plenty.

Gear:
The main problem is that your all resist is too low. When going for this build, you want to really push your EHP very high... and your resist is just not high enough. Many of your pieces of gear don't have AR, and the pieces that do don't have very much. This is your primary issue; improving your AR should be your focus! Also - try picking up items that have ALSO have some physical, or fire resist.

Your health is ok, but it could be higher; you have a monstrous 40% life bonus, but you don't have the vitality to make that really shine.

I would also suggest you change your weapon. It isn't very good DPS, and it has no stats that really benefit you at all: that lifesteal is basically pointless, because your DPS is so low it's going to give you a completely insignificant amount of healing. A 1H weapon with ~950 DPS and huge strength/vitality is probably affordable for you, and would give a significant boost.

I note that your gloves have critical strike damage on them. Bear in mind that critical strike damage is a completely pointless stat without a good critical strike chance!
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
icyF
Profile Joined June 2008
Finland305 Posts
September 06 2012 10:32 GMT
#72
On September 06 2012 17:30 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 15:18 icyF wrote:
Hey guys, I've read through this thread and picked up some good advice on the way. I'm currently in Act 2, and some of the tougher elites give me a hard time.

What would you guys suggest I upgrade next in my gear? I currently have around 1m in cash, so maybe just one or two items at most?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/icyF-2668/hero/8645775

Good advice is very much appreciated!

edit: And a very big thanks to Trang for creating this guide!

Skills:
I would suggest changing Ground Stomp to Leap + Iron Impact. Iron Impact is actually better than ground stomp defensively, because you are near-invincible while the buff is active. Furthermore, it works for enemies that are a little further away (eg spear throwers), that would not have been hit by your ground stomp stun (because Iron Impact is a buff that is active on you, not a debuff that you must apply to enemies). AND, because enemies are not stunned, they can proc your revenge ability. Plus, it's fun and gives good maneuverability.

Your other skills are fine. You shouldn't need another healing ability; Revenge and Rend should be plenty.

Gear:
The main problem is that your all resist is too low. When going for this build, you want to really push your EHP very high... and your resist is just not high enough. Many of your pieces of gear don't have AR, and the pieces that do don't have very much. This is your primary issue; improving your AR should be your focus! Also - try picking up items that have ALSO have some physical, or fire resist.

Your health is ok, but it could be higher; you have a monstrous 40% life bonus, but you don't have the vitality to make that really shine.

I would also suggest you change your weapon. It isn't very good DPS, and it has no stats that really benefit you at all: that lifesteal is basically pointless, because your DPS is so low it's going to give you a completely insignificant amount of healing. A 1H weapon with ~950 DPS and huge strength/vitality is probably affordable for you, and would give a significant boost.

I note that your gloves have critical strike damage on them. Bear in mind that critical strike damage is a completely pointless stat without a good critical strike chance!


Thanks very much for the quick relpy! I will try this out once I get home.

One more thing tho, do you think it would be vise to swap those rubies in my chest and amulet for amethysts to get my vitality up? If I get a better weapon the loss in strenght shouldnt be an issue.
goof
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway53 Posts
September 06 2012 11:10 GMT
#73
Hey!

I've been keeping an eye on this thread for a while, because it describes the way I like to play my barbarian the most. But what I'm having issues with is the DPS. I'm really clueless on what to upgrade to increase my DPS so I can make farming A3 more efficient. As it is now I can easily play through both A3 and A4, but it takes a long time, and I feel that I should be able to reduce the time I spend on each A3 farming run.

My barb can be seen here: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/goof-2739/hero/11585476

I have recently swapped out the shield for a dagger in an attempt to gain DPS, but right now I feel like I lack the survivability I need to play comfortably in A3. With a shield I have about 25k DPS.

I would be grateful if someone took a look at my profile and gave me some hints on which items I need to swap out.

Oh, and I only have about 15M gold right now.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 06 2012 11:30 GMT
#74
On September 06 2012 19:32 icyF wrote:
One more thing tho, do you think it would be vise to swap those rubies in my chest and amulet for amethysts to get my vitality up? If I get a better weapon the loss in strenght shouldnt be an issue.

That seems sensible. However, I would recommend you go and spent your money on upgrades first. If you then need further health, change the gems as that's easy

Right now you're taking more damage than you're able to heal; the two ways to correct that issue is to A) reduce the damage you take (i.e. improve your AR like I suggested in my previous post), and B) increase your healing. The reason for increasing your health is so that revenge gives you more healing!
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 06 2012 11:35 GMT
#75
On September 06 2012 20:10 goof wrote:
Hey!

I've been keeping an eye on this thread for a while, because it describes the way I like to play my barbarian the most. But what I'm having issues with is the DPS. I'm really clueless on what to upgrade to increase my DPS so I can make farming A3 more efficient. As it is now I can easily play through both A3 and A4, but it takes a long time, and I feel that I should be able to reduce the time I spend on each A3 farming run.

My barb can be seen here: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/goof-2739/hero/11585476

I have recently swapped out the shield for a dagger in an attempt to gain DPS, but right now I feel like I lack the survivability I need to play comfortably in A3. With a shield I have about 25k DPS.

I would be grateful if someone took a look at my profile and gave me some hints on which items I need to swap out.

Oh, and I only have about 15M gold right now.

Well, the easiest thing by far is simply to change your mainhand weapon. If you're using this style, you don't need ANY healing from your gear; it all comes from skills (revenge / furious charge / rend ). It's simply not necessary.

Go grab yourself a 1100 DPS weapon with your cash (and put your shield back on) and you'll see a substantial improvement in damage. You don't even need a gem slot etc; a gem might improve your overall damage by say... 30%. But all your damage comes from one weapon. So, you may as well just increase your weapon's DPS by 30% instead, for exactly the same gain overall. Weapons without crit damage or a slot tend to be dramatically cheaper, and well within your price range.
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icyF
Profile Joined June 2008
Finland305 Posts
September 06 2012 11:49 GMT
#76
On September 06 2012 20:30 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 19:32 icyF wrote:
One more thing tho, do you think it would be vise to swap those rubies in my chest and amulet for amethysts to get my vitality up? If I get a better weapon the loss in strenght shouldnt be an issue.

That seems sensible. However, I would recommend you go and spent your money on upgrades first. If you then need further health, change the gems as that's easy

Right now you're taking more damage than you're able to heal; the two ways to correct that issue is to A) reduce the damage you take (i.e. improve your AR like I suggested in my previous post), and B) increase your healing. The reason for increasing your health is so that revenge gives you more healing!


Much appreciated!
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
September 06 2012 15:21 GMT
#77
On September 06 2012 20:35 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 20:10 goof wrote:
Hey!

I've been keeping an eye on this thread for a while, because it describes the way I like to play my barbarian the most. But what I'm having issues with is the DPS. I'm really clueless on what to upgrade to increase my DPS so I can make farming A3 more efficient. As it is now I can easily play through both A3 and A4, but it takes a long time, and I feel that I should be able to reduce the time I spend on each A3 farming run.

My barb can be seen here: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/goof-2739/hero/11585476

I have recently swapped out the shield for a dagger in an attempt to gain DPS, but right now I feel like I lack the survivability I need to play comfortably in A3. With a shield I have about 25k DPS.

I would be grateful if someone took a look at my profile and gave me some hints on which items I need to swap out.

Oh, and I only have about 15M gold right now.

Well, the easiest thing by far is simply to change your mainhand weapon. If you're using this style, you don't need ANY healing from your gear; it all comes from skills (revenge / furious charge / rend ). It's simply not necessary.

Go grab yourself a 1100 DPS weapon with your cash (and put your shield back on) and you'll see a substantial improvement in damage. You don't even need a gem slot etc; a gem might improve your overall damage by say... 30%. But all your damage comes from one weapon. So, you may as well just increase your weapon's DPS by 30% instead, for exactly the same gain overall. Weapons without crit damage or a slot tend to be dramatically cheaper, and well within your price range.



I dont think that loosing all loh will be a good idea. Its true, that revenge prob gives us about 85-95% of our regen, but there are those cases where a loh weapon is good to have. Revenge gets triggered by hits right? So, what about Monster skull cleavers? or golgors. Their hit rate are really slow/medium, but they hit for alot. So our revenge wont get triggered every 2 sec, like with other monsters. mix that in with plaque or molten, and revenge simply isnt build for that. Its designed to get triggered by monster with a high attack speed.

My loh weapon+amu makes sure that even when my revenge doesnt get triggered Im still in the position of regaining life no matter what. OR at least, making sure my hp doesnt drop 5k per sec. my char IS build so I can live without loh, but I still love the system of having like a hp regen backup.
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Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
September 06 2012 16:15 GMT
#78
Suit yourself. The new heal from Rend is strong, and I just didn't find it necessary to use any LOH when I was experimenting with tanky builds. Perhaps that's due to the fact that I have better gear, which means I take less damage and rend heals me for more?
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
September 06 2012 17:59 GMT
#79
I've been using Rend with pretty average gear and it works well w/o loh. Just run into the middle of a trash mob, pop rend and then fight elites. rinse and repeat. Health rarely gets into the red unless I'm fighting elites with multiples of plague/arcane/desecrator/etc.

My profile:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/trifecta-1413/hero/3486871

PS: any suggestions for cheap upgrades?
goof
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway53 Posts
September 06 2012 19:12 GMT
#80
On September 06 2012 20:35 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 20:10 goof wrote:
Hey!

I've been keeping an eye on this thread for a while, because it describes the way I like to play my barbarian the most. But what I'm having issues with is the DPS. I'm really clueless on what to upgrade to increase my DPS so I can make farming A3 more efficient. As it is now I can easily play through both A3 and A4, but it takes a long time, and I feel that I should be able to reduce the time I spend on each A3 farming run.

My barb can be seen here: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/goof-2739/hero/11585476

I have recently swapped out the shield for a dagger in an attempt to gain DPS, but right now I feel like I lack the survivability I need to play comfortably in A3. With a shield I have about 25k DPS.

I would be grateful if someone took a look at my profile and gave me some hints on which items I need to swap out.

Oh, and I only have about 15M gold right now.

Well, the easiest thing by far is simply to change your mainhand weapon. If you're using this style, you don't need ANY healing from your gear; it all comes from skills (revenge / furious charge / rend ). It's simply not necessary.

Go grab yourself a 1100 DPS weapon with your cash (and put your shield back on) and you'll see a substantial improvement in damage. You don't even need a gem slot etc; a gem might improve your overall damage by say... 30%. But all your damage comes from one weapon. So, you may as well just increase your weapon's DPS by 30% instead, for exactly the same gain overall. Weapons without crit damage or a slot tend to be dramatically cheaper, and well within your price range.


Thanks!

I'll give it a shot! But I find that the LoH is really nice vs. elites with extra health and molten, for instance. Where revenge just isn't enough.

But I'll try with a better weapon!
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