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Muggs
Profile Joined April 2010
United States148 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 04:23:26
May 23 2012 04:22 GMT
#321
On May 23 2012 11:44 zickoray wrote:
Well i seem to be having a problem in Act 3 Hell mode in the breach in the wall quest. i feel like i am geared well and my stats are ok what could be the problem. is it my skills or something?

i am skilled to be a tank with a burst capably for SINGLE target dps. I have no problem in groups of trash mobs i can be surrounded all day and just use revenge proc+rend to kill them all rather quickly and stay at good hp. im not quite sure why i cant make it past this area really i think it might be the tight spaces that are stoping me from getting surrounded to use my proc and rend skills fully

but below are my stats and build any help would be great I am lvl 57

Stats:
32.14k HP
3.9k A hit on avg
Rend does 1.2k per second for 3 seconds(AOE)
revenge is usually 5.5-6.6k(AOE)
^13k on crit
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Build:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WcVPkR!UVb!ZZcZab
thanks again


I was in a similar situation earlier today. I think you can get a better weapon on the AH and up that DPS quite a bit. Also, try wotb with the dodge rune. Between ground stomp, wotb w/ dodge, and ignore pain, you can usually burn through hell champions pretty easily. I am a big fan of furious charge too w/ merciless assault. You can use it as dps on AOE and it can get you out of tough situations (and if you're aoe'ing with this you won't need rend). I think the triumph rune is a little overated too, plus sidearm is some beast dps.

Also, try veteran's warning with warcry and see how you like that. I was using that for a while too and it seemed to help quite a bit.
zickoray
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States366 Posts
May 23 2012 04:35 GMT
#322
I actually had the wrong rune in for WC it is supposed to be the 20% armor rune, i just fixed it

and so the general consensus would be to get right of rend for charge?
and change the frenzy run into side arm.

both of those sound like good ideas ill give it a try tomorrow.

and what would i get rid of for leap? i kinda like my revenge it does alot of aoe dmg and i get it perma for when im under 20% hp
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 04:39:43
May 23 2012 04:39 GMT
#323
You don't need both Leap and Charge, though it's nice to have them. I'd say swap off Rend for either Leap or Charge, and decide whether you want War Cry or not.

Also, see my post on the last page. The 20% armor rune for War Cry mathematically isn't as effective as 10% max HP at your current HP/Armor values.
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 04:41:05
May 23 2012 04:40 GMT
#324
I am at the end of ACT 3 Hell, has been an easy run for me. But I have a questions though, I am now sitting at 40k HP and only 5.6k DPS. I feel like I have to much HP but not enough DPS. Is it a good idea to change some gears to lose some Vit and add some Str?
Terran
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 23 2012 04:44 GMT
#325
On May 23 2012 13:40 Caphe wrote:
I am at the end of ACT 3 Hell, has been an easy run for me. But I have a questions though, I am now sitting at 40k HP and only 5.6k DPS. I feel like I have to much HP but not enough DPS. Is it a good idea to change some gears to lose some Vit and add some Str?

What's your armor at? It might actually be mathematically sound to do it just for survivability depending on your armor value.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 04:50:28
May 23 2012 04:45 GMT
#326
On May 23 2012 13:08 TheYango wrote:
@Dead9, 10% max HP is actually also worth considering on War Cry. Comparing to 20% armor is basically a question of how much HP you have vs. how much armor you have in determining which improves your EHP more.

At his current HP/armor values, it's actually better for him to get 10% max HP than 20% armor. Going from 7230 armor to 8676 armor is only ~4% EHP increase, while 10% max HP is a 10% EHP increase.

now i gotta solve cus u made me curious lol
assuming this information is correct, then

ehp = (pa+50*m)/(a+50*m)

where p = %armor increase
a = armor
m = monster level

this means ehp approaches p as a approaches infinity

in this case ehp = (1.2*7230+50*60)/(7230+50*60) = 1.141
so he gets 14.1% ehp from 20% bonus armor

edit: er i assumed he was up against 60 mobs here but same idea
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 23 2012 04:47 GMT
#327
On May 23 2012 13:40 Caphe wrote:
I am at the end of ACT 3 Hell, has been an easy run for me. But I have a questions though, I am now sitting at 40k HP and only 5.6k DPS. I feel like I have to much HP but not enough DPS. Is it a good idea to change some gears to lose some Vit and add some Str?


You need to start stacking resist for Inferno, not worrying about DPS rofl. You're not going to get much more than 6k-7k DPS unless you have tons of gold to buy gear off the AH or have a DH / Wizard give it to you.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 12:40:13
May 23 2012 04:51 GMT
#328
On May 23 2012 13:44 TheYango wrote:
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On May 23 2012 13:40 Caphe wrote:
I am at the end of ACT 3 Hell, has been an easy run for me. But I have a questions though, I am now sitting at 40k HP and only 5.6k DPS. I feel like I have to much HP but not enough DPS. Is it a good idea to change some gears to lose some Vit and add some Str?

What's your armor at? It might actually be mathematically sound to do it just for survivability depending on your armor value.

My armor is 29K, and I made a mistake, my DPS is actually 4.7 w/o buff. That 5.6K is when I am at full rage since I run Berserker Rage. I am a DW barb btw.

I feel like I survive ok with Revenge and Relentless but I rely too much on WotB to deal with rare/elite and bosses.
Terran
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
May 23 2012 04:55 GMT
#329
On May 23 2012 13:47 skyR wrote:
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On May 23 2012 13:40 Caphe wrote:
I am at the end of ACT 3 Hell, has been an easy run for me. But I have a questions though, I am now sitting at 40k HP and only 5.6k DPS. I feel like I have to much HP but not enough DPS. Is it a good idea to change some gears to lose some Vit and add some Str?


You need to start stacking resist for Inferno, not worrying about DPS rofl. You're not going to get much more than 6k-7k DPS unless you have tons of gold to buy gear off the AH or have a DH / Wizard give it to you.

Yes, I know that, I am not going to play Inferno solo though since you guys all made your point about Barb solo Inferno . My friend got an DH at NM and I am waiting for him to catch up.
Terran
zickoray
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States366 Posts
May 23 2012 04:55 GMT
#330
On May 23 2012 13:45 Dead9 wrote:
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On May 23 2012 13:08 TheYango wrote:
@Dead9, 10% max HP is actually also worth considering on War Cry. Comparing to 20% armor is basically a question of how much HP you have vs. how much armor you have in determining which improves your EHP more.

At his current HP/armor values, it's actually better for him to get 10% max HP than 20% armor. Going from 7230 armor to 8676 armor is only ~4% EHP increase, while 10% max HP is a 10% EHP increase.

now i gotta solve cus u made me curious lol
assuming this information is correct, then

ehp = (pa+50*m)/(a+50*m)

where p = %armor increase
a = armor
m = monster level

this means ehp approaches p as a approaches infinity

in this case ehp = (1.2*7230+50*60)/(7230+50*60) = 1.141
so he gets 14.1% ehp from 20% bonus armor

edit: er i assumed he was up against 60 mobs here but same idea

So keep the armor one as it gives me more "HP" (more shots to die) than the %hp one its self
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 05:08:52
May 23 2012 05:07 GMT
#331
On May 23 2012 13:45 Dead9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 13:08 TheYango wrote:
@Dead9, 10% max HP is actually also worth considering on War Cry. Comparing to 20% armor is basically a question of how much HP you have vs. how much armor you have in determining which improves your EHP more.

At his current HP/armor values, it's actually better for him to get 10% max HP than 20% armor. Going from 7230 armor to 8676 armor is only ~4% EHP increase, while 10% max HP is a 10% EHP increase.

now i gotta solve cus u made me curious lol
assuming this information is correct, then

ehp = (pa+50*m)/(a+50*m)

where p = %armor increase
a = armor
m = monster level

this means ehp approaches p as a approaches infinity

in this case ehp = (1.2*7230+50*60)/(7230+50*60) = 1.141
so he gets 14.1% ehp from 20% bonus armor

edit: er i assumed he was up against 60 mobs here but same idea

Yeah I just realized I fucked up my math. Read the formula for damage reduction % as the resistance amount.

On May 23 2012 13:51 Caphe wrote:
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On May 23 2012 13:44 TheYango wrote:
On May 23 2012 13:40 Caphe wrote:
I am at the end of ACT 3 Hell, has been an easy run for me. But I have a questions though, I am now sitting at 40k HP and only 5.6k DPS. I feel like I have to much HP but not enough DPS. Is it a good idea to change some gears to lose some Vit and add some Str?

What's your armor at? It might actually be mathematically sound to do it just for survivability depending on your armor value.

My armor is 2.9K, and I made a mistake, my DPS is actually 4.7 w/o buff. That 5.6K is when I am at full rage since I run Berserker Rage. I am a DW barb btw.

I feel like I survive ok with Revenge and Relentless but I rely too much on WotB to deal with rare/elite and bosses.

Your armor is really low for your HP. It would honestly probably improve your survivability to trade Vit for Strength anyway.
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
May 23 2012 05:40 GMT
#332
On May 23 2012 13:40 Caphe wrote:
I am at the end of ACT 3 Hell, has been an easy run for me. But I have a questions though, I am now sitting at 40k HP and only 5.6k DPS. I feel like I have to much HP but not enough DPS. Is it a good idea to change some gears to lose some Vit and add some Str?


I would if I were you. 5.6k DPS isn't too bad, as long as you're sword and board, but for Inferno you're probably going to want at least 8,000 DPS. Currently I have about 37,000 HP, with about 70% damage reduction, and 370 - 400 resists. Resists are one of your most important things, so if you can sac some life to add armor, resist, and DPS, go for it.
Hadley_
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany157 Posts
May 23 2012 06:00 GMT
#333
People are not getting All Resistance gear. It is a must in inferno. Vit and Str won't be enough due to the sheer amount of damage your taking.

I have been farming inferno act I for the last 4 days and can kill all the champion mobs that are put at me.
My stats: All resistance base 565, 40k life, 11k in damage. My damage is a little low but can stand toe to toe with champion mobs and not die.


No that is a Joke. I know DH and Wizards who run through Act2 without alot of defensive Stats at all! Barbs have to farm Act1 4days(???) to be able to do anything in Act2? ...Thats a Joke, when RangeDPS just can avoid all of the Damage and just stack DPS!
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
May 23 2012 06:06 GMT
#334
On May 23 2012 13:40 Caphe wrote:
I am at the end of ACT 3 Hell, has been an easy run for me. But I have a questions though, I am now sitting at 40k HP and only 5.6k DPS. I feel like I have to much HP but not enough DPS. Is it a good idea to change some gears to lose some Vit and add some Str?


dude your actually better geared than me but cant handle hell?

Im running at 46k hp 4.6k dps before i gave up on barb. I handle any hell level easily.Hell basically has no kick whatsoever now. Nothing can kill me except some lame affix rares/champion packs.

What are you doing wrong? I would suggest a few things. Furious Charge(life leech) is awesome. Stomping with wrench is awesome. Overpower(lifeleech) is awesome. Run Relentless as a passive. Kick butts?
Just keep using Stomp Charge overpower to self-heal for % of max hp. Relentless keeps you up easily at 20% hp of 40k hp(thats 8k).
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DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
May 23 2012 06:22 GMT
#335
I am currently having fun doing a knockback-build when I am in a group. Basically I stun, shout and then spam seismic slam until I am out of fury. It works fairly well in late hell. I use a big two-hander for max dmg.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 09:36:59
May 23 2012 09:35 GMT
#336
On May 23 2012 15:06 Mithhaike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 13:40 Caphe wrote:
I am at the end of ACT 3 Hell, has been an easy run for me. But I have a questions though, I am now sitting at 40k HP and only 5.6k DPS. I feel like I have to much HP but not enough DPS. Is it a good idea to change some gears to lose some Vit and add some Str?


dude your actually better geared than me but cant handle hell?

Im running at 46k hp 4.6k dps before i gave up on barb. I handle any hell level easily.Hell basically has no kick whatsoever now. Nothing can kill me except some lame affix rares/champion packs.

What are you doing wrong? I would suggest a few things. Furious Charge(life leech) is awesome. Stomping with wrench is awesome. Overpower(lifeleech) is awesome. Run Relentless as a passive. Kick butts?
Just keep using Stomp Charge overpower to self-heal for % of max hp. Relentless keeps you up easily at 20% hp of 40k hp(thats 8k).

Did you read my post? I was having an EASY time -_-. Just want to kill stuff faster. I am ACT 4 now, gonna finish it soon. Kill every ACT 3 boss on one try.
Dont need ya to tell me how to build my Barb
Terran
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 16:29:29
May 23 2012 16:27 GMT
#337
Everyone needs patience when it comes to barb and inferno. It's ridiculous but you need act 4 tier loot to solo act 2/3. My barb is running 60k hp, ~11k armor, 70% resist all and I still die, a lot. I barely have any dps though which I think is part of the problem. If I could kill faster, I think it'd do me good. Sometimes I'll play more offensive and drop all those stats a bit for more strength but it seems overall less time effective as I die more. Kill slowly, die less? Kill faster, die more? Part of my problem is also that my dps set is shit. I generally only tank. I can tank act4 in groups well enough to be worth a slot but only because I sacrifice any chance at doing damage to survive a few more hits. Life of the barb.

What needs to happen is blizzard has to revert the life steal nerfs, 80% reduction in life steal on inferno is a JOKE. Seriously why bother with the stat? As far as I know it's only on weapons and belts anyway. Max you can get is 3 weapon, 3 weapon, 3 belt, 3 passive. 12% and now they reduce that to be 2.4%? Barbs in d2 only had a chance in hell because of life steal, leech or die. I think if blizzard would revert changes to allow full life steal and add it to more items we would have a chance at dpsing. Until some things changes we will be tanks that waste a slot and act 1/2 farmers. Which tbh is almost pointless. If you aren't farming act 4, you're better off farming gold.

Good news is my alt mage is leveling! Hopefully I can farm my barb some gear using my mage. This was my original goal but for some reason I decided, nah I'll just go barb first, smashsmash. ~_~
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
May 23 2012 16:39 GMT
#338
There is so much Barbarian anger towards Blizzard at this point that I think they'll wind up doing something. Even if you feel you shouldn't be able to progress without farming the previous act (as some have suggested), the classes should still be somewhat even in terms of ability to make it through content. Barbarians are clearly at a significant disadvantage compared to the other classes, especially Wizard and Demon Hunter. I'm not sure what the solution is, and I think part of the discrepancy is that they want to try to balance PvP and PvE, and maybe all the classes are balanced for PvP and they don't want to mess that up by screwing with Barbarian skills to fix PvE - it's a possibility at least.

As it stands, I have 70% DR reduction, 450 resists, 35k life, 12k damage and I can solo A1 inferno with relative ease, but A2 is a different story.
zZygote
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada898 Posts
May 23 2012 16:53 GMT
#339
I might just have to make an alt... my A1 barbarian is still gearing, but I'm just so tired of having to farm endlessly to upgrade my gear :/
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
May 23 2012 16:58 GMT
#340
On May 24 2012 01:53 zZygote wrote:
I might just have to make an alt... my A1 barbarian is still gearing, but I'm just so tired of having to farm endlessly to upgrade my gear :/



its diablo, you're going to farm endlessly on all characters. It's just way easier right now on other classes. =p
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