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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 00:33:44
April 04 2012 00:33 GMT
#301
what i really dont understand is why blizzards bnet actually got alot worse then what we had and other companies like valve create something that has all you want on their first try. look at dota2 , it offers almost evrything we could wish for bnet.

bnet goes down the drain and dissappoints evrywhere while others stomp out way superior products on the first go. its just sad and i really dont understand why thats the case.
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Thadorus
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada136 Posts
April 04 2012 03:28 GMT
#302
12 years since diablo 2 and 5 or more years of diablo 3 development and Bnet 2.0 is simply disappointing.
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
April 04 2012 05:55 GMT
#303
On April 04 2012 08:35 Tryndamere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 01:46 bOneSeven wrote:
No imba chat system, no moding ability....Well, a lot of people will buy this game but it will die very soon imo


Why would it die soon because of no chat and no modding? Are you new to Blizzard games or something? Look at SC and D2, both no modding and they were/are still the most popular games around. You are comparing apples with oranges, WoW is MMORPG, D2/D3 are RPGs.


D2 had modding
and SC had moding through the map editor.

I don't agree with him though.

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rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 05:58:09
April 04 2012 05:57 GMT
#304
On April 04 2012 12:28 Thadorus wrote:
12 years since diablo 2 and 5 or more years of diablo 3 development and Bnet 2.0 is simply disappointing.


It's more about the fact that they don't learn from SC2 imo.

Meh wanted to edit sorry for double post.
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THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
April 04 2012 10:46 GMT
#305
I completely agree with most of the people here, in that I sincerely hope Diablo 3 bnet is not going to be like Starcraft 2 bnet, which still feels very empty. Bring back the old WC3 bnet with all the chat, the clan channels, the clans, the different ranks inside a clan etc.

Of course the social experience is very important. I can't imagine who would want to just play a multiplayer game as if they're playing single player. And even if there are such people, they can still do it by NOT clicking the "enter chat" button, while all the rest of us social people can have a good time.
dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
April 04 2012 11:30 GMT
#306
I played D2 for about 3 years after LoD. The public chat channels were, on balance, awful.

GBR-1 etc weren't so bad to begin with, but later on got infested by bots. The only good things I remember about those channels were occasional late night random chat with strangers talking shit, probably about the same level as Chuck Norris jokes.

Hardcore-1 etc was basically the HC trade channel. Even early on, near impossible to see anything you needed because of the massive amounts of spam, which also flooded out the whispers you used to try and negotiate in a never ending tide of scrolling text.

GAT was where I spent all my AFK time. Pretty much the only reason people were ever in there was to AFK, since if you just wanted to chat you'd enter one of the GAT games and chat in there.

The only chatting I really ever did was /f m to spam my whole friends list, and everyone on there did the same. You basically had friends lists that worked as a ghetto guild chat. As long as they implement that, I'm fine with it.

If I want to go talk to random people, I'll enter a public game and talk in there. Public channels were spam, inane drivel and afk, nothing more.
Kazahk
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States385 Posts
April 04 2012 13:59 GMT
#307
Maybe they will fix it in a future patch? I mean you have to look at it from a different perspective, not just yours. Blizzard is trying as hard as they can to give you the best product possible. As of now they are working on the WoW beta (general feedback and stuff), the StarCraft2 expansion, and polishing D3 along with other secret projects. So i suppose the questions is would you rather have a crappy chat for a few months, or have 2 crappy expansions that will take even longer to fix?
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jonesthemad
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 14:37:34
April 04 2012 14:35 GMT
#308
The only chatting I really ever did was /f m to spam my whole friends list, and everyone on there did the same. You basically had friends lists that worked as a ghetto guild chat. As long as they implement that, I'm fine with it.


Haha, so true. Most of your friends were offline anyway because everybody had plenty of accounts and you needed to keep track of them all.

good times.
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Bikini
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada17 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 15:13:58
April 04 2012 15:13 GMT
#309
At the beginning, I was angry at Blizz to do such a thing as starcraft 2 bnet. But after reading what you guys say, I feel like this is a good idea. TBH chat is for troll/spammer/no life or bot. If you want to met people try a bar or facebook + there's chance u meet girls in does places.
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zJayy962
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1363 Posts
April 04 2012 15:25 GMT
#310
I can understand why they don't want to put in public channels but why in the world would they not implement chat channels with player moderation. That is what made battle.net great. PRIVATE channels with player moderation.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 15:34:30
April 04 2012 15:29 GMT
#311
Played this Beta in SC2. and NEVER made a friend. Never even played 2v2 with an uknown person... That's .. WHAT ??? I played WoW. Met some real good friends there that i met. Hell my friend's sister married a guy from her guild now !

Bnet 2.0 is the most horrible thing. When i log i go to the chat channel... but that's scrolling to fast. You HAVE to join so there's no one there most of the time. You play SC2 clicking the finding match button like you launched your supernintendo...

So when i read here that open channels like in SC1 are regretion... please. They could have keep them and IMPROVE them... No they did something like IRC that never existed. I mean that even IRC has better chat featers than Bnet2.0 ... And we are talking 15years ago (sorry for my bad syntax).

I'm really considering to play Diablo3 but not buying it now... I canceled my pre-order and will wait till may to decide.


On April 05 2012 00:13 Bikini wrote:
At the beginning, I was angry at Blizz to do such a thing as starcraft 2 bnet. But after reading what you guys say, I feel like this is a good idea. TBH chat is for troll/spammer/no life or bot. If you want to met people try a bar or facebook + there's chance u meet girls in does places.


Please... a lot of us here that knows diablo1 are 25+ years old... Don't talk about meeting girls. That's childish... I'm sure a lot of TLers with knowledge of D1 are married or engaged. And about the troll/spammers/bot (Why no-life ?) you could moderate your channels.
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Sps
Profile Joined April 2012
France5 Posts
April 05 2012 18:14 GMT
#312
On April 04 2012 08:32 Tryndamere wrote:
I don't know you meet most of your buddies in public chat, at least for me I would add people who are cool and competent in the game rather than adding someone from public chat. I've said this before, without the public chat, there will be less spam, less trolling, and more gaming. If you want to chat, I am sure you can chat up a storm in game or find an IRC channel for that purpose.


There is more to "chatting" than just sitting in a public channel and making friends. I did not say that was how I met all of my friends, since I said "some of them".

Also, mostly, it happened like this : x and y are on the same public channel, various conversations are going on between the amount of other users on the same channel and x and y stir up a conversation, and end up going "why not go for a little custom game?" and just like that, you got yourself a new friend.

My point is this is much harder to accomplish without public channels, and as bad as spam or bots are, public channels do give you the opportunity to just kinda stumble on random people and befriend them by chatting them up and then playing with them.

On the current BNet 2.0 however, you feel horribly alone and you literally can't do that. Which sucks.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
April 05 2012 19:31 GMT
#313
d2jsp fixes all those chatroom problems which probably never works well and it lets ppl who play multiple games to sell their stuff to pay for things in other games
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RA
Profile Joined October 2008
Latvia791 Posts
April 05 2012 19:57 GMT
#314
For me SC2 Bnet does feel empty, you feel very secluded. I don't really like that. Hope D3 is going to be better really, but anyways I'm gonna play the game through Steam so all my friends can see what I'm doing and I can always talk to them.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
April 05 2012 20:30 GMT
#315
I really don't get how hard it can be to just put in some simple private channels to which you can invite people or that require a password or something.
njtwkr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden73 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 07:23:18
April 15 2012 07:21 GMT
#316
So how the fuck do we meet new people? Sorry if it has been mentioned before. I have played SC2 regularly since the beta and practically haven't made a single lasting friend. It really feels like you're all alone, no one to communicate with. Looking for runs and groups made diablo and WoW what they are/were. To be honest, I never had a use for the chat in warcraft 3 (except for commands), but that was only because of the really good custom games lists.

I really don't get what Blizzard is doing. I understand the whole thing about not having LAN or single player, it actually makes sense. People are forced to pay for the game = Blizzard makes money. But what do they get from having such a shitty social part in Battle.Net 2.0? If the lobbies/custom games won''t allow you to decide the name, I don't see this working out very well. Like the custom game service in starcraft 2 is the worst thing I've ever seen. Blizzard really f*ckd up didn't they.

Edit: Just realised there is an almost identical post a couple of posts up, and I didn't even read it before writing my own. Really shows you how much people hate they way they're handling this.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
April 15 2012 07:41 GMT
#317
If they can only get rid of the feeling that you are playing alone every night i'm satisfied. Whenever i play SC2 without friends it feels like i'm the only degenerate awake playing the game. I want to at least know that other people are there with me.
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AndyJay
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia833 Posts
April 15 2012 11:18 GMT
#318
I'm coming around to the idea that it's all just a big plan by Blizzard to make sure people buy there B titles and play them once through in the first week but then go back to their A title that you have to pay a subscription for. It just makes no sense that they could completely turn their back on what made wc3 and WoW so successful.
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
April 15 2012 11:23 GMT
#319
Their reason for not having public channels is water tight, unless you got on the internet last night for the first time ever you should know how horrible of a cesspool online communities usually always are, even in heavily moderated places.

In a perfect world we would have public channels and everyone would behave...like a normal human being? And no moderation would even be needed, but we know that is impossible.

Perhaps they have concrete data on the people who left WoW the last year (2 million by their own report) perhaps many of them left because of the lousy community? And they dont want to the same here or in SC2.
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Quenchiest
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 18:10:05
April 15 2012 18:09 GMT
#320
On April 15 2012 20:23 Tyree wrote:
Their reason for not having public channels is water tight, unless you got on the internet last night for the first time ever you should know how horrible of a cesspool online communities usually always are, even in heavily moderated places.

In a perfect world we would have public channels and everyone would behave...like a normal human being? And no moderation would even be needed, but we know that is impossible.

Perhaps they have concrete data on the people who left WoW the last year (2 million by their own report) perhaps many of them left because of the lousy community? And they dont want to the same here or in SC2.


Lousy community is just a cop-out excuse, though.

You could literally accuse every game of having a crappy community. The community is always what you as a player make of it.

It's not a reason to not have chat channels.
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