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On April 17 2011 08:29 Bear4188 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 08:27 Shana wrote:
This is why casting from replay is the best for online tournament. This has nothing to do with the problem of missing a scheduled match. Either way a match time must be set and both players and referees must show up. To make everyone else delay because of the fault of one player is 100% unfair to those who show up.
It actually has a lot to do with it, because the scheduling of NASL requires that players play on a certain day with little leeway in-between. Not sure about MC, but White-Ra and Naniwa should have been able to play if they had the whole week in advance to play their games.
Of course, missing a scheduled match isn't good behavior, but part of the reason these players miss their scheduled matches is because the matches are scheduled on a razor's edge. For White-Ra they required him to play during Dreamhack while he was in Sweden. For Naniwa and MC it was right after they came back from Dreamack.
Basically, Dreamhack screwed everything up for NASL this first week, but come MLG or IEM or GSL time, things could be just as bad.
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Are these games played in a studio or over bnet? Don't they have like an entire week to get the games played? or they just practice for like 7 days then are required to meet a day or three before the match? Are any of these matches actually live when casting? thought they had to do editing... there's gotta be a better way
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wtf? I thought hey said there was an option to delay the game for a day you can't tell me they can't just play a day early if they have 2 guys who are playing matches the next day that are on or reachable to just play a day early?
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LOL, I will never pay for anything like this. They should just boot these players out and get different ones.
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On April 17 2011 08:29 Bear4188 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 08:27 Shana wrote:
This is why casting from replay is the best for online tournament. This has nothing to do with the problem of missing a scheduled match. Either way a match time must be set and both players and referees must show up. To make everyone else delay because of the fault of one player is 100% unfair to those who show up.
And being casted from replays means the schedule will be far more flexible for BOTH players. Korean doesn't have to play at 4 am or players with LAN tournament can play before the events started. Games can be played at more appropriate time for both players. Walk-over games can be prevented and it does not make any difference if the game streamed live or casted from replay.
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On April 17 2011 08:40 Shana wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 08:29 Bear4188 wrote:On April 17 2011 08:27 Shana wrote:
This is why casting from replay is the best for online tournament. This has nothing to do with the problem of missing a scheduled match. Either way a match time must be set and both players and referees must show up. To make everyone else delay because of the fault of one player is 100% unfair to those who show up. And being casted from replays means the schedule will be far more flexible for BOTH players. Korean doesn't have to play at 4 am or players with LAN tournament can play before the events started. Games can be played at more appropriate time for both players. Walk-over games can be prevented and it does not make any difference if the game streamed live or casted from replay.
Some games are played early because it's necessary for a player in Korea, a player in Europe, and a referee from the NASL in California to be in the game. Please elaborate on what kind of amazing time bending technology Blizzard has included with their replay feature that is allowing replay casted games to circumvent these inherent problems with international online leagues.
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So many walk overs, why do they all have to be the insane great matches? 
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On April 17 2011 08:52 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote:So many walk overs, why do they all have to be the insane great matches?
Because Dreamhack invited the best players.
Every w/o so far has been because of Dreamhack in one way or another.
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Stop trashing NASL over it, players occasionally have problems and can't play, it's not the league's fault.
They're doing everything they can to accommodate the players, and they have literally no control over it.
They even just added in an extra day of lee-way for players. Cut the league some slack, sheesh. So many whiners.
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Everyday....Everyday someone has had a walkover....cept day one.
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On April 17 2011 08:47 Bear4188 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 08:40 Shana wrote:On April 17 2011 08:29 Bear4188 wrote:On April 17 2011 08:27 Shana wrote:
This is why casting from replay is the best for online tournament. This has nothing to do with the problem of missing a scheduled match. Either way a match time must be set and both players and referees must show up. To make everyone else delay because of the fault of one player is 100% unfair to those who show up. And being casted from replays means the schedule will be far more flexible for BOTH players. Korean doesn't have to play at 4 am or players with LAN tournament can play before the events started. Games can be played at more appropriate time for both players. Walk-over games can be prevented and it does not make any difference if the game streamed live or casted from replay. Some games are played early because it's necessary for a player in Korea, a player in Europe, and a referee from the NASL in California to be in the game. Please elaborate on what kind of amazing time bending technology Blizzard has included with their replay feature that is allowing replay casted games to circumvent these inherent problems with international online leagues.
I think what he meant is that if it s casted from a replay the players can talk to each other about a decent time (not 4 am), because at any give time in the world you cannot have more than 12hours between 2 people. Therefore it can be 9am for player A and 9pm for player B and not 10pm-4am (or the like).
obviously one may argue that some players might have a job too and cant play during the day anyways, making such arrangements impossible. I was just developing his opinion, not stating my own
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On April 17 2011 08:47 Bear4188 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 08:40 Shana wrote:On April 17 2011 08:29 Bear4188 wrote:On April 17 2011 08:27 Shana wrote:
This is why casting from replay is the best for online tournament. This has nothing to do with the problem of missing a scheduled match. Either way a match time must be set and both players and referees must show up. To make everyone else delay because of the fault of one player is 100% unfair to those who show up. And being casted from replays means the schedule will be far more flexible for BOTH players. Korean doesn't have to play at 4 am or players with LAN tournament can play before the events started. Games can be played at more appropriate time for both players. Walk-over games can be prevented and it does not make any difference if the game streamed live or casted from replay. Some games are played early because it's necessary for a player in Korea, a player in Europe, and a referee from the NASL in California to be in the game. Please elaborate on what kind of amazing time bending technology Blizzard has included with their replay feature that is allowing replay casted games to circumvent these inherent problems with international online leagues.
Sigh... Casting from replays is the way to go because that way you can literally just have anyone affiliated with NASL in the games as a ref just to make sure everything goes smoothly. Right now it requires Gretorp and Incontrol to be at the studio and in the games. This also means they can find any day out of the week where they're both able to play the series.
The King of the Beta tournament was 10x better than the NASL and that was months ago pre-launch and organized by one guy. Come on.
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If you want to play participate in the gsl you have to move to korea for a month. To play in the Nasl I don't think its unreasonable for players to make sure that for a few hours a week they can get to a computer to play their games. If you wanna go and travel to a lan thats fine since its an online tournament you can go, something you wouldn't be able to do in the gsl but if you cant get to a computer for an hour or two to get ur matches in you should get a loss. If you want to make sure you can play your games don't plan on going to a lan spanning over the days where your supposed to play your games. Has there really been an official nasl statement saying mc won't get losses? I honestly can't think of a reason why he shouldn't.
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The Dreamhack Invitational definitely messed with NASL scheduling there. 4 players were directly affected and 3 of them forfeited the match because of it (Sjow made arrangements to play his game from an internet cafe in Stockholm).
MLG weekend should be interesting. I hope they have a good backup plan for those dates.
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Cast from replays to make it easier for the players to schedule games, sure there will still be canceled games but koreans won't have to wake up in the middle of the night to play which must be horrible for them.
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Damn That was one match I wanted to watch tonight
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On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote:These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler +
well.. GSL is player in a studio.
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definitely an upset, already 3 great matches , add there MLG+GSL for Koreans, thats gonna be tough for some players to attend, so choices should be made, its not NASL fault, i mean players should have preferences, they playing for 100k , when here its seems like a big number, thats lot a money. Some agreement should be made between big tournaments.
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NASL needs to stop awarding wins for scheduling conflicts. All other sports make way for each other, why can't e-sports do the same thing. Reschedule these games and stop awarding wins for nothing. Do you think that if the Indianapolis Colt's plane was delayed going to a game against the Jaguars that the NFL would award a win to the Jaguars...NO...this is just stupid.
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Nothing wrong with the NASL's way of handling this, but I am so sad I don't get to watch that game...I was really looking forward to it
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