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On March 04 2011 23:45 TurtlePerson2 wrote: Maybe Intel is pulling some strings. They're sponsoring both events right now. That was my very first thought. I believe this is closer to the truth.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 04 2011 21:35 Mailing wrote: Moonglade does not deserve it, he
1. Is basically a korean player (as much as idra is)
2. He JUST got knocked out of Code A a few days ago.
Morrow should be the one given a chance.
+ Show Spoiler +How should Morrow be given a chance? he lost to 2 out of the 4 players that have a shot, and didn't have a chance to play the other 2 (Squirtle and Moon). He also lost convincingly to Ret who got knocked out in first round as well, but is recognised as a top tier (top 10) foreigner. When he travels to Korea he might get a seed in Code A anyway...
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On March 05 2011 00:13 bennyaus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 04 2011 21:35 Mailing wrote: Moonglade does not deserve it, he
1. Is basically a korean player (as much as idra is)
2. He JUST got knocked out of Code A a few days ago.
Morrow should be the one given a chance. + Show Spoiler +How should Morrow be given a chance? he lost to 2 out of the 4 players that have a shot, and didn't have a chance to play the other 2 (Squirtle and Moon). He also lost convincingly to Ret who got knocked out in first round as well, but is recognised as a top tier (top 10) foreigner. When he travels to Korea he might get a seed in Code A anyway...
Morrow is still in school. He stated he was finishing school before trying anything. Although I can't remember exactly how European school timetables work, I think this is still the case.
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It makes some business sense as well at least. Intel now sponsors GSL so by bringing the two competitions together like this, will increase interest in IEM by quite abit. Cross promotion ftw. I hadn't really been paying much attention to it before this.
The auto get into code s after winning code a kinda made more sense to me. Winning code a atm is a great achievement but the benefit isn't as large as i feel it should be. The prize pool for code a is comparatively low and then its into the up and down matches anyway.
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I like this GOM idea... Now people who get to knock back early will not waste a month. They will try to apply for foreign tournaments (non-koreans ones) so they can get some cash and in instance sth happens to the player in S or A class they can get into it. Korean wave incoming to big western sc2 tournaments.
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I love this idea by Gom.
Anything to get one or two more foreigners into code S.
It was great to have Idra and Jinro, and I feel that the absolute best would be to have between 3 and 4 there. So a great move.
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To those who claim that this is a great decision and will allow "more foreigners" in GSL, please note that the final 4 players are 3 Koreans and an Australian who has already been seeded in code A this season. I don't believe future IEM winners will get this chance as this is just an arrangement to deal with Idra's departure from Korea.
Anyway, I don't like this decision. + Show Spoiler +Moon took out Squirtle in Semi-Finals 1, so the 3 players fighting for these spots are : 1. FOXMoon who lost to ST_Virus (RO8 atm) 2. ST_Ace who lost to ZeNeXCoCa (out in the RO16 after losing to LeenockfOu) 3. FXOmOOnGLaDe who lost to ZeNeXJjun (out in the R16 after losing to TSL_Rain)
Why should they deserve a second chance? In the case of (2) and (3), their opponents who they lost to don't even have a chance at all of qualifying for code S, yet they do. You argue that since they aren't so good anyway they won't win and thus will not qualify for code S, but that's not the point. The game is not stable and anything can still happen in SC2 (just look at the upsets this season). Them getting a chance at all in the Up/Down matches by competing in a tournament that is of lower standard than code A seems ridiculous especially after they got knocked out in RO32. They also guarantee a spot in code A next season.
You cannot compare this situation to the direct seed of the 4 foreigners into Code A. The reason why there is this arrangement for foreigners is to attract them to go compete in Korea. It is not worth it going to Korea knowing that you might fail to qualify for GSL. The chance of failing is too huge, so most people are not willing to invest their time / money to go to KR.
Top 8 Code A technically is equivalent to 3rd place in code S, since both of them get 2 chances to survive the Up/Down. With a pool of 23 players after the season ends, either: 1) Let the finalists of code A qualify for code S automatically. (They deserve it don't they? Code A isn't easy either) Form 7 groups of 3 with the remaining players, although you lose half a day of content. 2) Find a 24th player from 9-16 of code A. Just a thought.
Well, if Intel is pulling the strings, then whatever, I don't see GOM going against their sponsor.
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Hope Moonglade takes the spot.
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Well they had to be unfair, might as well give responsibility over to ESL, good solution imo.
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On March 04 2011 20:31 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 20:28 Benjef wrote:To be fair those left in IEM are all Code S worthy, maybe not so much Moon. I wonder what they would have done if Idra was still in the Semi's delay the announcement till he was knocked out  ? Even Squirtle and Moonglade? Who lost 2-0 to Moon? On what basis are they more eligible for Code S than moon?
didnt squirtle all-kill IM or something? time to demote mvp to code a herpderp
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Considering the winner still has to go through the stacked up and down matches it's not that bad.
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So if the winner of IEM loses in the up/down matches, will they be insta-Code A for next season? or just outed completely.
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is this because both were sponsored by Inter?
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On March 05 2011 01:34 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 20:31 Piledriver wrote:On March 04 2011 20:28 Benjef wrote:To be fair those left in IEM are all Code S worthy, maybe not so much Moon. I wonder what they would have done if Idra was still in the Semi's delay the announcement till he was knocked out  ? Even Squirtle and Moonglade? Who lost 2-0 to Moon? On what basis are they more eligible for Code S than moon? didnt squirtle all-kill IM or something? time to demote mvp to code a herpderp
No... IM won the whole event. Great idea imo regardless of what the motives were.
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If moon and ace don't deserve spot in GSL who does? they just pwned what I believe are EU/NA best players It would be nicer if we knew about this reward before tournament started but it's still nice solution
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I like this. It's kinda like in the english premier league. If you do not qualify to the UEFA cup , you can do so by winning domestic competitions ( FA cup or Carling Cup).
I think this is only controversial because they announce it midway. But for subsequent tournaments, we can see people who got knocked out in gsl flooding IEM and this will increase the skill level of IEM tremendously.
Sure this sucks for the rest of code A this season but in the long run its probably for the greater good.
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LMAO Moonglade got destroyed. Wow Ace has no losses. Showing some korean dominance.
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Thats a great decision.
Its kind of World Cup works if more tournaments are part of this.
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On March 05 2011 00:42 aebriol wrote: I love this idea by Gom.
Anything to get one or two more foreigners into code S.
It was great to have Idra and Jinro, and I feel that the absolute best would be to have between 3 and 4 there. So a great move.
Too bad the IEM finalists are both korean... LOL
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Good decision from GOM. Gooo Moooooon!
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