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On March 05 2011 16:12 BetterFasterStronger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2011 14:19 GhostLink wrote:
lol id laugh so hard if idra won IEM too bad he's out already Spoiler that shit wow, god i hope you get banned. Anyway. I was going to say it would of been funny if IdrA won. + very cool of Gom to do something like this. Working together with IEM and giving first place a Code S spot.
Why? He's been out for a couple of days... and wasn't it obvious that they only announced this AFTER they saw that the entire semi-final was made of people who lost first round of Code A?
I don't see why that would need a spoiler
On March 05 2011 15:57 cromulent wrote:
The GOMTV player infringes copyright and should be banned from the right-hand bar of this site just like the other 'infringing' streams. Except the mods here don't seem to understand how that works or maybe they don't care. Either way, Gretech is completely corrupt and bs. allegedly.
what? O.O
On March 05 2011 23:18 ShatterZer0 wrote:
LOL, this is just GOM trollin' kuz they know Squirtle and Ace are gonna roll the SHIT out of Moonglade and Moon... Because both Squirtle and Ace are already Code S caliber players... Moonglade and Moon? Not so much...
Moon beat Squirtle pretty handily
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great final !
+ Show Spoiler +ace played overall a very impressive tournament only losing against moon the 2 games.
He really deserves idra's spot in the up/down games. Hopefully he will manage to win. But also Moon did a great job by kicking squirtle out of the tournament. Unfortunately he lost in the final, but if the crowd wouldn't have cheered that loud when he did the awesome nydus build he might have won.
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The IEM tournament was really great to watch. The addition to this is a pretty neat way to replace the empty spot. Congratulations to the winner, hopefully he is able to win the code s spot.
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Im glad the winner got the spot, hes definatly a good player and now he has another chance to prove himself hopefully he doesnt choke.
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Man. What do you guys think of Moons chances of getting into Code A in 2 seasons? His ZvP is sick.
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On March 06 2011 01:58 ChThoniC wrote:
Man. What do you guys think of Moons chances of getting into Code A in 2 seasons? His ZvP is sick.
I'd say low, Moon still has control problems though his strategies are interesting. That being said, at least being able to take games off people like Squirtle and Ace make it seem a little more probable (though technically with anypro advancing through to...ro8 sigh..I guess it doesn't make Moon seem as bad that he lost to him in up/down before).
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The unfairness comes from how these 4 players were chosen to compete in IEM. The other 12 Code A players who won't make up/downs this month would probably have done just as well, if only they were invited, since the IEM has made it very clear that top Koreans are way better than top Europeans. It's like picking 4 dropouts from an adult chess tournament to compete in a kids' tournament, and giving the winner a free ride in the adult one.
I think the Code A winner deserves automatic entry much more than the winner of a lesser tournament deserves the chance to qualify (especially since he already lost in Code A this season). The extra third-place-Code-S spot can be given based on past perfomance (so MVP gets to stay in Code S for free). This system is also much more consistent for when people drop out in future.
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On March 06 2011 05:03 pirsq wrote:
The unfairness comes from how these 4 players were chosen to compete in IEM. The other 12 Code A players who won't make up/downs this month would probably have done just as well, if only they were invited, since the IEM has made it very clear that top Koreans are way better than top Europeans. It's like picking 4 dropouts from an adult chess tournament to compete in a kids' tournament, and giving the winner a free ride in the adult one.
I think the Code A winner deserves automatic entry much more than the winner of a lesser tournament deserves the chance to qualify (especially since he already lost in Code A this season). The extra third-place-Code-S spot can be given based on past perfomance (so MVP gets to stay in Code S for free). This system is also much more consistent for when people drop out in future.
They're getting the 4th place spot in the up and down matches, it's worse for Ace than for those that made the RO8.
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On March 05 2011 20:46 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 17:30 Sein wrote:
Would have been much better if the winner of Code A gets the automatic Code S spot while the winner of IEM gets a spot in the up and down matches. The only reason those guys could make it to IEM was because they got knocked out of the Code A tournament so early. I think most people would agree that winning GSL5 Code A is a greater achievement than winning IEM. Total nonsense. The korean players for IEM were chosen BEFORE they lost in code A, they seemed to be the best code A payers at that time. Code A would have been rescheduled by GOM to allow players still competing in code A to play at IEM. It was unfortunate that these players lost in code A, because people are now talking bullshit about their skill. But it had nothing to do with them being able to go to IEM. Also note that these code A players still placed well above the code S player Idra in IEM. So I dont think its unfair that the best of them gets Idras up and down spot.
source for where you got this information
Idra wanted to attend Dreamhack but was told by GOM that they would not reschedule his GSL match to accommodate Idra, so Idra stayed in Korea
also part of the reason why Idra pulled out of GSL 5 was because he wanted to attend IEM and knew that if the IEM and GOM schedules conflicted with each other, GOM would not alter their schedule for Idra.
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On March 05 2011 17:11 smileyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 16:12 BetterFasterStronger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2011 14:19 GhostLink wrote:
lol id laugh so hard if idra won IEM too bad he's out already Spoiler that shit wow, god i hope you get banned. Anyway. I was going to say it would of been funny if IdrA won. + very cool of Gom to do something like this. Working together with IEM and giving first place a Code S spot. stop whinning plz what else did you expect to read in this thread besides the actual results of the iem rofl. come on use your common sense. Anyways I hope too see Moon in Code S. ST_Ace didnt really impress me much just abusive 2 base pushes.
Yearh. Agree. Ace should have done abusive 1 base, abusive 3 base, or abusive 4 base push; instead of abusive 2 base push. huh
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On March 06 2011 06:31 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 20:46 Redox wrote:On March 05 2011 17:30 Sein wrote:
Would have been much better if the winner of Code A gets the automatic Code S spot while the winner of IEM gets a spot in the up and down matches. The only reason those guys could make it to IEM was because they got knocked out of the Code A tournament so early. I think most people would agree that winning GSL5 Code A is a greater achievement than winning IEM. Total nonsense. The korean players for IEM were chosen BEFORE they lost in code A, they seemed to be the best code A payers at that time. Code A would have been rescheduled by GOM to allow players still competing in code A to play at IEM. It was unfortunate that these players lost in code A, because people are now talking bullshit about their skill. But it had nothing to do with them being able to go to IEM. Also note that these code A players still placed well above the code S player Idra in IEM. So I dont think its unfair that the best of them gets Idras up and down spot. source for where you got this information Idra wanted to attend Dreamhack but was told by GOM that they would not reschedule his GSL match to accommodate Idra, so Idra stayed in Korea also part of the reason why Idra pulled out of GSL 5 was because he wanted to attend IEM and knew that if the IEM and GOM schedules conflicted with each other, GOM would not alter their schedule for Idra.
On February 22 2011 22:47 Carmac wrote:
For those of you who will surely ask "Why don't you invite the players that drop out of GSL?"
The invitation process (=us talking to the players themselves) started around two weeks before the invitations were actually announced. The teams have been booking flights as early as last week. So the date of the announcement is not tied to when we actually invited the players.
Waiting to see if top players would be available after the Ro32 was also not something that we were allowed to do by our logistic limitations (as well as the possibility of skyrocketing flight prices this close to the event).
Oh, and it would be quite rude to tell one of those four players that they can't come because a top player got knocked out of the GSL ;-)
GSL gave the Code A players leeway in terms of agreeing to shuffle their matches around, though were less lenient with their Code S players (if dates clashed and you decided to go to IEM instead of the GSL you'd be auto dropped to Code A (if I understand correctly)). Invites did happen well in advance of their Code A matches actually taking place though.
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Isn't this unfair to people already in the GSL? This tournament isn't even connected.
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On March 06 2011 09:11 infinity2k9 wrote:
Isn't this unfair to people already in the GSL? This tournament isn't even connected.
It is to replace Idra and since Idra is playing in this tournament whoever wins is probably deserving of Idra's spot no? Unfair to the others? There is only 1IEM up/down spot where as there are plenty of up/down matches for those at the top of Code A, if they cannot get one of those numerous spots then they're just SOL till next season.
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Well, forge fast expand is the new 2 rax I guess  A huge percentage of the games with the Protoss involved that.
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i have never understood why the winner of code a doesnt get to compete in the code s tournament in the same season and instead has to wait until next season.
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* It's unfair, obviously 4 people who lost in Code A are given a shot at qualifying again when everyone else in Code A only gets one shot.
* that said it's no more unfair than any invitational slot in any tournament, so I don't see what the fuss is about. The slot is still worth less than the actual Code A up/down spots.
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It's unfair because it's a much weaker tournament than Code A. Getting top 8 in Code A is much harder because you are facing the top 16-32 players in Korea, most of which still outskill by a good margin all of the top foreigners.
A lot of the Code A players not only had to qualify through the Code B tournament just to qualify for Code A, which is arguably a lot harder than IEM in the first place, but also had to come Top 8 in Code A to earn their shot at Code S. The winner of IEM gets to skip Code B and Code A altogether and get to go straight to the up and down matches through a much easier (imo) means. Hell, who here seriously thinks Moon is actually going to re-enter Code A next season and then proceed to get top 8? No one. He only looks good in these matches because most of his opponents are sub-par compared to most of Code A and Code S.
Also keep in mind that the winner of IEM gets a guaranteed Code A spot next season just for being in the up/down dispite losing in the first round.
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Lets talk about performance. Moon's & Ace's performance in this IEM is undisputedly as good as up/down players like Losira/Huk/Virus/etc and definitely better than some Code S Ro16 like tester/sc/lyn/anypro. They are that good and surely deserve a chance at code S relegation match. Other code A dropout can only blame their status not being as famous as Moon (legendary) or Ace/Squirtle (GSTL performance) to get invited
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On March 06 2011 20:16 Arceus wrote:
Lets talk about performance. Moon's & Ace's performance in this IEM is undisputedly as good as up/down players like Losira/Huk/Virus/etc and definitely better than some Code S Ro16 like tester/sc/lyn/anypro. They are that good and surely deserve a chance at code S relegation match. Other code A dropout can only blame their status not being as famous as Moon (legendary) or Ace/Squirtle (GSTL performance) to get invited
The key point is, IEM is a much easier tournament compared to GSL code S/A and even code B, so you can NOT simply compare moon's performance in IEM to tester's in GSL code S.
You know, as a Master player, I always perform like a gaming lord when facing silver/bronze players, but just turn into totally shit when playing against semi-pros.
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they were able to dominate the code S player idrA. why shouldnt they get a chance?
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