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GOM announces IEM Winner will go to Code S Up-Down matches…

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echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
March 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#41
Not an ideal situation imho, but props to GOM for trying to get more non-Koreans. Would be a lot crazier if a few other foreigners were in contention.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
FunnelC4kes
Profile Joined July 2010
Ireland462 Posts
March 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#42
On March 04 2011 20:46 vrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 20:44 FunnelC4kes wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:22 FunnelC4kes wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:16 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:13 FunnelC4kes wrote:
I don't understand why they don't just let the winner of Code A pick Idra's group for up/down matches... meaning winner of Code A goes straight into Code S. It seems the easiest way to do it--plus if all the ppl left in IEM got knocked out of Code A, then why would they be Code S material?

Not to sound harsh, because certainly these guys are a lot better than some ppl in Code S now, but this seems a rather arbitrary decision.


Because they'd lose 1/2 a day's worth of content.


Oh, the horror!



They make their money off the content. So, yes, it would be a very serious problem.


There are many ways to fill time other than arbitrarily giving somebody a spot in Code A, even though they just recently failed to qualify it.

Sure, it's a nice chance for players we know and like to get back into the game while not losing content, but in so doing they compromise the integrity of the qualification system they use.

You mean like inviting Huk?


Yes, and no. Yes, because he did not qualify for GSL3. No, however, because he would have been free to attempt Code A through open qualifiers. There is no way of knowing whether or not he would have qualified.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18425 Posts
March 04 2011 11:57 GMT
#43
I don't see the problem. The 4 people in the IEM quarterfinals are Code A starters this season (although m00nglade was seeded in). None of them made it into the up and down matches by themselves, but are redeeming themselves by making it to the semis of the only other major tournament currently playing. Seems if you have to pick someone, this is the fairest thing to do. Fairer at least than having 1 free pass to code S (even if it's for the code A winner), because the other two people in that group also have an easier time.
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 12:01:45
March 04 2011 11:59 GMT
#44
On March 04 2011 20:52 FunnelC4kes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 20:46 vrok wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:44 FunnelC4kes wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:22 FunnelC4kes wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:16 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:13 FunnelC4kes wrote:
I don't understand why they don't just let the winner of Code A pick Idra's group for up/down matches... meaning winner of Code A goes straight into Code S. It seems the easiest way to do it--plus if all the ppl left in IEM got knocked out of Code A, then why would they be Code S material?

Not to sound harsh, because certainly these guys are a lot better than some ppl in Code S now, but this seems a rather arbitrary decision.


Because they'd lose 1/2 a day's worth of content.


Oh, the horror!



They make their money off the content. So, yes, it would be a very serious problem.


There are many ways to fill time other than arbitrarily giving somebody a spot in Code A, even though they just recently failed to qualify it.

Sure, it's a nice chance for players we know and like to get back into the game while not losing content, but in so doing they compromise the integrity of the qualification system they use.

You mean like inviting Huk?


Yes, and no. Yes, because he did not qualify for GSL3. No, however, because he would have been free to attempt Code A through open qualifiers. There is no way of knowing whether or not he would have qualified.


He didn't make them before, not that he isn't good enough but Code A qualifier is extremely tough now. Only Koreans that are still in CODE A should complain about this. This is more of an advertising move since the IEM winner will be well known by westerners which increases the chance for more viewerships/vod buyers for the GSL.

"oh I enjoyed that watching that korean in the IEM, maybe I'll watch him in the GSL" ect.

If anything we all should just support this move so that SC2 Esport can continue to prosper in Korea
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 12:03:10
March 04 2011 12:01 GMT
#45
On March 04 2011 20:52 FunnelC4kes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 20:46 vrok wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:44 FunnelC4kes wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:22 FunnelC4kes wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:16 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On March 04 2011 20:13 FunnelC4kes wrote:
I don't understand why they don't just let the winner of Code A pick Idra's group for up/down matches... meaning winner of Code A goes straight into Code S. It seems the easiest way to do it--plus if all the ppl left in IEM got knocked out of Code A, then why would they be Code S material?

Not to sound harsh, because certainly these guys are a lot better than some ppl in Code S now, but this seems a rather arbitrary decision.


Because they'd lose 1/2 a day's worth of content.


Oh, the horror!



They make their money off the content. So, yes, it would be a very serious problem.


There are many ways to fill time other than arbitrarily giving somebody a spot in Code A, even though they just recently failed to qualify it.

Sure, it's a nice chance for players we know and like to get back into the game while not losing content, but in so doing they compromise the integrity of the qualification system they use.

You mean like inviting Huk?


Yes, and no. Yes, because he did not qualify for GSL3. No, however, because he would have been free to attempt Code A through open qualifiers. There is no way of knowing whether or not he would have qualified.

But three of the final four of IEM have already qualified and played in GSL on multiple occasions. No one can dispute that these players can compete in Code A. It might not be the perfect solution, but it's simple and fairly good. I'm sure they thought of other solutions as well and decided this was the best one considering the circumstances. The complainers don't have a solution at all.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Consummate
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia191 Posts
March 04 2011 12:05 GMT
#46
I would like to see Squirtle in Code A, moonglade was diappointing in GSL so if he made code S, wouldn't you be a little angry considering the choked hard on his first match?
lol
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 04 2011 12:10 GMT
#47
I don't really like it tbh all of them lost in the first round of Code A, totally outclassed in their games, and now they could see themselves in Code S. Not fair to the players of Code A who beat them in my opinion.
Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
March 04 2011 12:11 GMT
#48
Well, it's not so unfair. The still have to fill one more whole in the GSL, since Idra left, and there isn't a ranking system for people to get into Code A. This seems like a logical choice. Besides, they are not being placed right into Code S, if they don't play well, the just fill that empty spot that the GSL has.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 12:22:20
March 04 2011 12:18 GMT
#49
Slap a face to the people in Code-A, since the competition is so much better than IEM. And what about the great players fighting in the up and down matches, it would be terrible to see an inferior player get a free Code-S (if they're lucky with groups).
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
March 04 2011 12:20 GMT
#50
This comes from their desire to put some weight behind foreigner tournaments. They already stated that some qualifiers will come from good performance in foreign tournaments, and with Idra dropping out they got a perfect opportunity to follow through with that.

There's a very good chance this player will not make it to code S, which means they're immediately requalified into code A based on an impressive tournament performance. I don't see too much wrong with that.
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Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
March 04 2011 12:29 GMT
#51
On March 04 2011 21:18 zyzq wrote:
Slap a face to the people in Code-A, since the competition is so much better than IEM. And what about the great players fighting in the up and down matches, it would be terrible to see an inferior player get a free Code-S (if they're lucky with groups).


I don't think the gap between the Up and Down matches is so much that compared to the finals of the IEM.
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
March 04 2011 12:31 GMT
#52
it's unfair but.. i like it. I'd like to see more foreigners in gsl
You know what I'm talking about
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
March 04 2011 12:35 GMT
#53
Moonglade does not deserve it, he

1. Is basically a korean player (as much as idra is)

2. He JUST got knocked out of Code A a few days ago.

Morrow should be the one given a chance.
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 04 2011 12:37 GMT
#54
On March 04 2011 21:35 Mailing wrote:
Moonglade does not deserve it, he

1. Is basically a korean player (as much as idra is)

2. He JUST got knocked out of Code A a few days ago.

Morrow should be the one given a chance.

I don't think Moonglade can be counted as a Korean player. He was mainly active in SEA and just move to Korea around 1 month ago. Not enough time to get the advantage.
Terran
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 12:38:02
March 04 2011 12:37 GMT
#55
edt - double post accident
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nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
March 04 2011 12:44 GMT
#56
See it as a double elimination. People don't seem to have any problem with that format where you can get "knocked out" and still win.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 04 2011 12:45 GMT
#57
I think this is a great decision, GOM are awesome.

+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA participated and did not get as far as any of these Code-A players and that's what jutifies them taking his spot.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
March 04 2011 12:46 GMT
#58
About as unfair a solution as was possible. The Koreans in IEM basically got rewarded for getting knocked out of Code A in the first round. It freed up their schedule to come to IEM, stomp through easier competition and get a shot at the up and down matches. In the mean time, half the people who actually won their first round in Code A and thus outperformed the IEM guys, get no chance to play for Code S.

Giving the winner of Code A a free pass seems much better. Code A has some really sick players in it and you have to be quite a boss to win that tournamnet



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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 04 2011 12:52 GMT
#59
On March 04 2011 20:13 FunnelC4kes wrote:
I don't understand why they don't just let the winner of Code A pick Idra's group for up/down matches... meaning winner of Code A goes straight into Code S. It seems the easiest way to do it--plus if all the ppl left in IEM got knocked out of Code A, then why would they be Code S material?


Because that would also imply that he would get a free voucher,
with which he can get anybody else of the up-and-down matches to code S.
Simply pick Idra (auto-loss) and one of your teammates, profit! :D
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
March 04 2011 12:54 GMT
#60
On March 04 2011 21:46 Lann555 wrote:
About as unfair a solution as was possible. The Koreans in IEM basically got rewarded for getting knocked out of Code A in the first round. It freed up their schedule to come to IEM, stomp through easier competition and get a shot at the up and down matches. In the mean time, half the people who actually won their first round in Code A and thus outperformed the IEM guys, get no chance to play for Code S.

Giving the winner of Code A a free pass seems much better. Code A has some really sick players in it and you have to be quite a boss to win that tournamnet




I must agree completely. While this seems pretty cool on the surface, it is MASSIVELY unfair to Code A players. I feel bad for many of them, especially the ones that beat Moon/Moonglade/Ace/Squirtle.
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