EPTSince she already mentioned she will work "hard" on it, you guys should probably give her the benefit of the doubt and see how she performs on D-day, only after that then further judgement should be passed. As of now, just suck it up because you're basically repeating what everyone else has said.
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jayt88
Singapore97 Posts
Since she already mentioned she will work "hard" on it, you guys should probably give her the benefit of the doubt and see how she performs on D-day, only after that then further judgement should be passed. As of now, just suck it up because you're basically repeating what everyone else has said. | ||
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StarStruck
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FunkQue
United States165 Posts
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JMDj
United States454 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4139 Posts
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On February 19 2011 03:47 HoldenR wrote: This video, Was posted on page 24. I beg you to watch it and head to 8:30, wait for what kelly starts saying at the 8:37 mark(completely talking over her co-caster) and to translate whatever she says at that point until she finishes. I have asked five people so far, and not one of them has been able to understand more than a word. And what's worse is that this is not an individual occurrence, every VOD of her casting online is filled with events like this. Even her co-caster, who I believe is from Singapore as well(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) appeared to not have understood a single word of what she said. He seemed baffled. This is pretty clear example how accent isn't the problem, as I can understand everything what the co-caster says. But in another hand, I couldn't figure out what Kelly is trying to say some of the time, or even I do, I failed to see its anything relevant to the game. If you continue to watch till 9:00 She keeps mentioning how Zerg is going to get supply blocked from phoenix, but it never did. Kelly: "Oh he is backing off some how, I don't know why he is backing off." Co-Caster: "Because there is 3 spore crawlers shooting him in the face." Not to mention there isn't any overlord around and phoenix ran out of energy to lift up anything. Face palm moment right there.  | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
If you folks who are so quick to condemn her want a better caster - go find one that's available and wants to go, or become one yourself, and send your application in. They're probably still looking for a second (and a person to replace her if she proves to be unpopular). If anyone had read the official Gom statement (which I assume is most of you), it seemed clear (at least to me) that they did not have a large pool of qualified casters available. I'm assuming that's why tasteless/artosis are going to take turns rotating in and out. I'm sure they would have loved to have a commentator who didn't need to improve while they are there - any employer will take a candidate that they don't have to train as much over one that they do - but, in the end, we can conclude that this decision probably wasn't reached because she has boobies, but rather, based on availability. If anyone knows how to get in contact with superdaniel or whoever it was that was co-casting with tasteless during some of the GOM seasons, we should totally see if he'd be up for casting with her. That'd be more fun to listen to than tastetosis! (Though, I would miss the pokémon jokes...) | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On February 19 2011 03:59 jayt88 wrote: You guys do realize that whatever you whine about now has already been done many pages back, and there's nothing you can do with the verdict from GOM. Since she already mentioned she will work "hard" on it, you guys should probably give her the benefit of the doubt and see how she performs on D-day, only after that then further judgement should be passed. As of now, just suck it up because you're basically repeating what everyone else has said. I dont understand that "only after that" should you judge her. Especially if her supporters constantly mention her achievements/experience. It seems strange to me that you can cite those achievements to support her, but dont accept recent VODs of her (failing) as part of the argument of the other side. Either all prior sources/facts should be accepted in the argument or none at all. Of course this works the other way around too, you cannot only cite VODs and disregard her experience in live events. It's just a bad argument in both cases. Also I dont like it that everyone focuses on "D-day". I am one of the guys who has a problem with understanding her when she talks fast, but still, only 1 day (and her first day!) shouldnt be the criteria. She will be anxious, because it's her first day on the job. She will make errors. But that's human. If she hasnt fixed her understandability (by speaking slower / more clearly / getting rid of her accent) after 1 week - 1 month it's a different story ... | ||
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zenyu
United States74 Posts
On February 19 2011 03:59 jayt88 wrote: You guys do realize that whatever you whine about now has already been done many pages back, and there's nothing you can do with the verdict from GOM. Since she already mentioned she will work "hard" on it, you guys should probably give her the benefit of the doubt and see how she performs on D-day, only after that then further judgement should be passed. As of now, just suck it up because you're basically repeating what everyone else has said. And so are you. | ||
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zenyu
United States74 Posts
On February 19 2011 04:13 goiflin wrote: If you folks who are so quick to condemn her want a better caster - go find one that's available and wants to go, or become one yourself, and send your application in. They're probably still looking for a second (and a person to replace her if she proves to be unpopular). She was chosen out of MANY applicants. So I assume whoever chose her doesn't speak English. http://esfiworld.com/feature/kellymilkies-teams-tastosis-i-am-ready-improve-infinitely-caster "[...] there was a long screening process and they had short-listed people out of all the people that had applied. Apparently there was so many applicants so they took a long time because they wanted to review every one. I was very happy that they had even shortlisted me in the first place. However, after I was confirmed 100%, I was just overwhelmed by happiness. I am humbled greatly by the chance GOM is giving me to try out as a caster." She probably looked much better on paper...and if you don't speak English, how would you know noone can understand her? Ooops. GOM made mistake. | ||
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DayJP
Brazil477 Posts
On February 19 2011 03:51 zenyu wrote: Being female isn't the problem. The accent isn't the problem either. Understanding the words that come out of her mouth is the problem. this man is a gentlemen and scholar, give him a diploma. | ||
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zenyu
United States74 Posts
On February 19 2011 04:19 Zocat wrote: I dont understand that "only after that" should you judge her. Especially if her supporters constantly mention her achievements/experience. It seems strange to me that you can cite those achievements to support her, but dont accept recent VODs of her (failing) as part of the argument of the other side. Either all prior sources/facts should be accepted in the argument or none at all. Of course this works the other way around too, you cannot only cite VODs and disregard her experience in live events. It's just a bad argument in both cases. Also I dont like it that everyone focuses on "D-day". I am one of the guys who has a problem with understanding her when she talks fast, but still, only 1 day (and her first day!) shouldnt be the criteria. She will be anxious, because it's her first day on the job. She will make errors. But that's human. If she hasnt fixed her understandability (by speaking slower / more clearly / getting rid of her accent) after 1 week - 1 month it's a different story ... If she stinks it up on her first cast, there WILL be a huge outcry guaranteed People pay for it. If she speaks the same way she does on her youtube channel, then it could ruin the whole experience for the viewers. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On February 19 2011 04:25 zenyu wrote: She was chosen out of MANY applicants. So I assume whoever chose her doesn't speak English. http://esfiworld.com/feature/kellymilkies-teams-tastosis-i-am-ready-improve-infinitely-caster "[...] there was a long screening process and they had short-listed people out of all the people that had applied. Apparently there was so many applicants so they took a long time because they wanted to review every one. I was very happy that they had even shortlisted me in the first place. However, after I was confirmed 100%, I was just overwhelmed by happiness. I am humbled greatly by the chance GOM is giving me to try out as a caster." She probably looked much better on paper...and if you don't speak English, how would you know noone can understand her? Ooops. GOM made mistake. On February 19 2011 04:25 GOMtv.net wrote: However, due to many constraints that we were faced with including but not limited to time, geographical location, schedule conflicts and personal issues of other applicants, we could not help but choose an applicant who satisfied all the conditions and also had the talent for casting. This means that while many people applied, they didn't think "Oh, right, I'll have to apply and get a passport, buy my tickets and fly out to, and live, in korea, all in time for this feb.". They also probably eliminated all the people who applied, but had no prior offline tournament experience. I imagine that there was actually a very small list of people with prior large-tournament experience that applied, and could go. On February 19 2011 04:25 GOMtv.net wrote: This announcement does not mean that the search for the best commentators/casters for GSL Code A is over. And that pretty much means that she is basically the only person they could find at the time. Remember; they wanted two casters, not one, when they posted the job ad. They couldn't even find a second one. | ||
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zenyu
United States74 Posts
On February 19 2011 04:32 goiflin wrote: And that pretty much means that she is basically the only person they could find at the time. Remember; they wanted two casters, not one, when they posted the job ad. They couldn't even find a second one. Then they should have let John the translator do it, at least we can understand most of what he says. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On February 19 2011 04:38 zenyu wrote: Then they should have let John the translator do it, at least we can understand most of what he says. Have you noticed that john stumbles on words, and has to probe his lexicon, when he translates? He wouldn't actually be able to talk quickly. Kelly knows what she wants to say - it's a matter of improving on her accent. Besides, John actually does things besides translating, he was hired to help the foreign players feel welcome. He's basically the go-to guy when foreigners go to korea. I bet he's a busy man. He's also got no experience in the field at all. Which brings me back to the point that this is probably all a result of very high expectations (for experience/availability). Of course, this is all speculation. We'll see if she's any good this season - if the community response is overwhelmingly negative - then we'll either see her get the boot, or we'll see her stay because nobody else can do the job, and they don't want to risk some jobber getting hired because they lowered their expectations. | ||
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zenyu
United States74 Posts
On February 19 2011 04:44 goiflin wrote: Have you noticed that john stumbles on words, and has to probe his lexicon, when he translates? He wouldn't actually be able to talk quickly. Kelly knows what she wants to say - it's a matter of improving on her accent. Besides, John actually does things besides translating, he was hired to help the foreign players feel welcome. He's basically the go-to guy when foreigners go to korea. I bet he's a busy man. He's also got no experience in the field at all. Which brings me back to the point that this is probably all a result of very high expectations (for experience/availability). Okay fair enough. But. Lots of people speak comprehensive English. That should be the primary requisite on a cast that goes out to tens of thousands of paying customers....right? | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
I checked out her other videos posted here and looked around for other singlish speaking people on youtube. It's not the same =_=. I don't know what people are talking about. There's definitely some chinese accent in there somewhere because it sounds similar to these international asian students here that dont speak very well.. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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FunkQue
United States165 Posts
On February 19 2011 04:45 zenyu wrote: Okay fair enough. But. Lots of people speak comprehensive English. That should be the primary requisite on a cast that goes out to tens of thousands of paying customers....right? Psssht, thats crazy talk. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On February 19 2011 04:45 zenyu wrote: Okay fair enough. But. Lots of people speak comprehensive English. That should be the primary requisite on a cast that goes out to tens of thousands of paying customers....right? I pride myself on my spoken english. I'm quite good at speaking to people - one on one - but I have no experience in speaking to ten thousand people at once. I would think that I would be confident enough to do it, but in practice, it's hard for me to articulate myself to a crowd of ten, because I'm nervous that I'll fuck up. She has dealt with large crowds, she obviously knows how to deal with stage fright (unless her accent is a product of stage fright, but I doubt that). You know why all kids despise doing speeches in school? Because speaking to thirty people at once is a frightening experience, let alone, ten thousand, who are all perfectly content with ridiculing every mistake you make. So no, being able to speak well shouldn't be the primary requisite. It should be a very big requisite, but if it comes to someone who has no stage experience whatsoever, and someone that does, but the second person is barely comprehensible, I'll take the second, and tell the first to go prove himself before I hire him. I don't want some guy crapping his pants from stage fright or having a mental breakdown from all the trolling he'll receive for being anxious (obviously exagerrations, but you get the point, no?). | ||
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