Demuslim with broken hand after "skirmish" - Page 17

On February 04 2011 06:40 RotterdaM wrote:
Hey guys,

Just to sum things up 1 more time, He did not get beat up, ( He has absolutely 0 marks in his face or whatsoever... some people seem to assume this ), the guy he had an arguement with is 100% sure not even aware of what happened to his elbow/hand, ben just got very unlucky by falling and landing very unfortunate, he was _DEFINATELY_ not to drunk to stand up, honestly how can people even write that stuff without being there? If he was I would just admit it but its absolute rubbish -_-, he was far from that, sure we had a few drinks but not even close to the level where you can't get up from the street, its honestly quite bad to just throw stuff like that out there without knowing the facts.

All in all this is just a fucked up situation cause this entire affair wouldnt have been a story at all if he wouldnt have got so unlucky to land on his elbow, now It looks like some kind of massacre took place while it was absolutely nothing like that.

In the end of the day its only sad for 1 person and thats demuslim himself, he was in absolute monstershape, taking rank 1 in Europe and over the last few days having like 85%+ win ration vs the best players in ladder, which was kinda insane and he seeemed very ready for assembly, unfortunately thats gonna be a tough story but as I said, EPS and IEM should be all fine.

He will get out of the hospital on monday most likely, but was already able to move his arm and hand quite a bit this morning, with a bit of luck hes playing within 12/13 days, he had surgery a few hours after the incident took place and has been recovring ever since, I'll pay him another visit tomorrow morning before I go to work to send him all the best wishes many people did and hopefully bring some positiv news to this forum as well

On February 04 2011 07:50 Eschaton wrote:


For all of the asia-o-philes we have around here, I'm surprised no one has heard of salarymen.

On February 04:40 LegendaryZ wrote:


A guy physically hurting kids? Sounds to me like something illegal and something that the police might be able to intervene in. Also, was your younger brother unable to escape the situation along with you? The way you described it, sounds to me like it was more about teaching the guy a lesson rather than defending your brother from some sort of unavoidable harm. Did it make you feel like more of a man to fight rather than handle things the way they're "supposed" to be handled? Also what kind of example does that set for your younger brother showing that physical violence is an acceptable way to resolve a conflict?

Granted, the legal system and law enforcement are not always ideal, but generally I think it's best for all parties to avoid physical conflict whenever possible. Barring some sort of immediate and dire situation, I find it hard to believe that your fight to "defend" your younger brother was completely unavoidable, but then again you know the story better than I do so yeah... Still fighting isn't really something to be proud of and accusing someone of being a "pussy" for being against it is pretty unjustified.

On February 04 2011 00:16 moNsi wrote:
must have been kinda drunk tho :p falling, not noticing untill later etc

On February 04 2011 07:51 jaydee81 wrote:
Sorry, but you are clearly not in touch with the actual life out there. I make a good part of the most valuable business for my company going out drinking with customers from Russia.

If things would at one point go bad and I end the night with a beat up face or a broken arm, the result is I can't visit customers for a while. Big deal. Yes, life would be better if it didn't happen, but it's not like my employer is planning with me in weeks, just like EG is not planning with Demuslim in weeks. Yeah, it's a little set-back, but I'm quite certain EG will be more interested in the development over the next 2 years, rather than the next few weeks.

Actually, I would be surprised if Scoots said much more than "Wow, that's bad, etc, get better soon." Just like 99% of the people in this thread.

On February 04 2011 08:01 polarity wrote:


You should visit Europe sometime, or at least burst out off your bubble in order to realize that (completely unrelated to this topic - I feel I still don't have enough info on what happened to make my judgement that in itself isn't really gonna change anything or the fact that I'm a fan of demuslim, all I can do is wish him well) running around in circles, away from people who wish to harm persistently isn't a viable answer to conflict resolution (not saying that violence is, it is however the only way to 'survive' on a daily basis in a pretty bad environment.)
I get where you're coming from, however I was born in one of those such sceneries and I can assure you that I am not a violent person. However, if I was to trust the authorities to protect myself and my own - and I hate to sound dramatic as that just isn't me - I don't know where I would be today. I can only feel happy that you were born in a healthy enough environment that you have developed such strong beliefs that make you feel like people shouldn't stand up for themselves and the ones they like, as it is sometimes just about the only option.

Again, all the best to Demuslim.

On February 04 2011 07:49 Manifesto7 wrote:
lol at the people who are crying "unprofessional". Professionals are the people that go out and drink the most.

On February 04 2011 08:30 Radnewt wrote:


There's a distinction between a Business Professional and a Professional Athlete. Both have the right to go out and drink, but a professional athlete is (unfortunately) held to a higher standard due to their need to be able to excel physically and mentally.

Many companies have personal behavior clauses in an employment contract. If you happened to get injured in a bar brawl (even on your own time) and could not preform a job function, your employment (under these clauses) would be at your employer's discretion. This could be the case with EG.

Scoots may have only reacted this way, however, we have to remember EG is a business at the end of the day. Scoot's responsibility is to everyone – his clients, his team, himself. This can't be taken lightly.

Again, it's awful that this has happened to any player, much less one as good as Demsulim. But, I think this is a good opportunity to have a discussion (maybe in a different thread) about the want to legitimize Starcraft as a sport. If people truly want to see that happen, players will have to begin monitoring their behavior like baseball, football and all other sorts of sports players – otherwise, they will begin to garner the same reactions and attentions that those sports' players receive when they act unaccording to being a paid athlete.

Get well Demuslim.

On February 04 2011 08:39 SolHeiM wrote:
But anyone can fall down and break their arm. It doesn't matter if you're drunk or not, landing on your elbow in a freak accident will cause most people's arms to break. Are you saying that because you're a Professional Athlete you should be confined to a small room with cushions on the walls so as to prevent you from ever getting hurt?

On February 04 2011 08:13 LegendaryZ wrote:


I've been to Europe (England, France, and Italy so far. Hopefully Spain in the near future.) and I don't really see myself being in a bubble of any sort. I grew up in the middle of the economic spectrum (in NYC). I didn't have a privileged childhood, but I'll admit I didn't grow up in the projects either, although I went to school right next to them. I've been jumped and mugged enough times to know that not every single conflict is avoidable, but if we stop and think about a situation, there are often other ways around it that we're not going to see if we simply accept violence to be our only way out. If it's necessary to fight, then by all means, do so but in most instances, it's not a necessity be it in Europe, America, or anywhere else.

My experience has really just been that violence only begets more violence until it escalates to a point where it gets out of hand. Winning a fight often just meant another bigger fight later after some sort of retaliation and the cycle just went back and forth until people started ending up in the hospital. Eventually it wasn't even a matter of self defense anymore so much as the pride of having the last word. It's easy to think that you need to be sucked into it, but you really don't. Something so simple as walking and extra block or two to go around a bad area or making a little bit of effort to have some more patience can go a long way.

I'm not going to pretend it's the answer to every situation and I do understand that there are times when violence to a degree is indeed necessary, but I really don't believe it's something we should encourage or ever be proud of. Also, I don't believe we should demean people that do find another path in their lives for being "pussies" by not fighting, but rather commend them for their ability to make the choice that perhaps we couldn't.

A guy physically hurting kids? Sounds to me like something illegal and something that the police might be able to intervene in.

On February 04 2011 08:42 jaydee81 wrote:
I never said they couldn't in that case, I was trying to make the point that I highly doubt they would consider taking these steps.
This thread has blown things out of proportion - I can read absolutely not one line of text stating that Demuslim was drunk when this happend.

Some drunk guys ran into them, something happend, they went drinking after that.

And since there is no info that would indicate he is anything else but the guy who got unlucky, there is nothing to worry about.
I am sure Scoots will react if Demuslim starts accumulating a criminal record in Germany
Well, I don't think there is any spotlight on him or any other western Pro-Gamer when he goes out with friends in the evening. Let them enjoy it while it lasts.
Let's wait some years and maybe he can pull a Tiger Woods some day!

On February 04 2011 08:12 shell wrote:
I bet Germany is full of ice and snow so it's normal for people to fall or not?

I pity the fools that think some working dude can have a drink at night, almost all young people in england would be unprofessional since it's almost a tradition for them..