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iNcontroL
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On January 21 2011 06:27 Odoakar wrote:
I don't understand why people put EG on the same level as these other teams when EG has absolutely no players as good as some of the players in these other teams. Idra of course excluded. Yeah, they have good players, but when did any of them win something in SC2? They are at best an average team.
Edit:ok, I forgot that they just picked up Demuslim, who is quite a player, but these are the accomplishments of other EG players:
LZGamer: 2010 MSI Evil Geniuses Masters Cup #1
Machine: 2010 iCCup TV League US Grand Prix #1
And that's it. Idra, and now Demuslim, are actually keeping EG looking like an good team, rather than mediocre.
What? lol no.. not at all. In fact both the "accomplishments" you stated aren't even accurate.
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On January 21 2011 06:29 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:25 syllogism wrote:
He recently mentioned Empire didn't feel like a team as the team is "kind of spread out". Now he'll have at least a bunch of good Swedes to play with (Merz, Sjow, Bischu) Hmm interesting. Team Liquid is spread out, they have Tyler and Nazgul in the U.S., TLO in Europe, and Huk, Jinro, Ret, and Haypro in Korea. Even though they are spread out, they still have team spirit, which was demonstrated at MLG Dallas.
Well, they have four people together in the same house, two more have lived there in the past, and they know each other well.
On a side note, I observed a bunch of Nani's games during the last TL Open, and he was well mannered in all of them. Maybe that was because he was winning. But I think we should put this BM thing to rest until it actually becomes an issue again, instead of just dogging Nani with this every time he shows up in the news.
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On January 21 2011 06:29 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:25 syllogism wrote:
He recently mentioned Empire didn't feel like a team as the team is "kind of spread out". Now he'll have at least a bunch of good Swedes to play with (Merz, Sjow, Bischu) Hmm interesting. Team Liquid is spread out, they have Tyler and Nazgul in the U.S., TLO in Europe, and Huk, Jinro, Ret, and Haypro in Korea. Even though they are spread out, they still have team spirit, which was demonstrated at MLG Dallas.
Liquid doesn't have a language barrier, all of them speak english.
Gratz to Naniwa, I hope he he will have a better practice environment and can take a shot at the next GSL.
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On January 21 2011 06:34 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:27 Odoakar wrote:
I don't understand why people put EG on the same level as these other teams when EG has absolutely no players as good as some of the players in these other teams. Idra of course excluded. Yeah, they have good players, but when did any of them win something in SC2? They are at best an average team.
Edit:ok, I forgot that they just picked up Demuslim, who is quite a player, but these are the accomplishments of other EG players:
LZGamer: 2010 MSI Evil Geniuses Masters Cup #1
Machine: 2010 iCCup TV League US Grand Prix #1
And that's it. Idra, and now Demuslim, are actually keeping EG looking like an good team, rather than mediocre.
What? lol no.. not at all. In fact both the "accomplishments" you stated aren't even accurate.
Then it seems TLPD sucks?
Here's a challenge for everyone...find one EG player in this list, except Idra (and in mind that Demuslim earned his medals while outside of EG)
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon.png) SjoW ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/common/gold.png) 20 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/common/silver.png) 6 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon.png) MorroW 11 9 Kas 9 5 Strelok 9 3 Tarson 8 5 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon.png) NaNiwa 8 4 Socke 7 4 HuK 7 4 MaNa 6 7 GoOdy 6 5 DIMAGA 5 6 Naama 5 4 BRAT_OK 5 2 SeleCt 4 4 KiWiKaKi 4 3 NightEnd 4 0 IdrA 3 3 Satiini 3 1 Adel 3 1 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ricon.png) TLO 3 0 HasuObs 2 4 QXC 2 3 LucifroN 2 3 ClouD 2 3 Ret 2 1 Fenix 2 1 AhhBoxxah 2 1 DeathAngel 2 0 Drewbie 2 0 control 2 0 DdoRo 2 0 Jimpo 1 5 DarKFoRcE 1 4 meRz 1 4 Tefel 1 2 Naugrim 1 2 mkengyn 1 2 HayprO 1 2 MurDeR 1 2 DeMusliM 1 2 Nerchio 1 2 White-Ra 1 2 Slider 1 2 iNSoLeNCE 1 2 Bly 1 1 Spades 1 1 Lastshadow 1 1 Funkyy 1 1 Beastyqt 1 1 TT1 1 1 optikzero 1 1 Ryze 1 Rigid 1 KiLLeR 1 FruitDealer 1 ThorZaIN 1 Skillet 1 Silver 1 PredY 1 PainUser 1 Jinro 1 Fan 1 CNBgrtmn 1 Tyler 1 Sein 1 Levin 1 KroLu 1 Genius 1 bigbadbeaver 1
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On January 21 2011 06:35 Whiplash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:29 ptbl wrote:On January 21 2011 06:25 syllogism wrote:
He recently mentioned Empire didn't feel like a team as the team is "kind of spread out". Now he'll have at least a bunch of good Swedes to play with (Merz, Sjow, Bischu) Hmm interesting. Team Liquid is spread out, they have Tyler and Nazgul in the U.S., TLO in Europe, and Huk, Jinro, Ret, and Haypro in Korea. Even though they are spread out, they still have team spirit, which was demonstrated at MLG Dallas. Liquid doesn't have a language barrier, all of them speak english. Gratz to Naniwa, I hope he he will have a better practice environment and can take a shot at the next GSL.
I thought he was referring to the geography when he said they were "spread out."
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nice love u nani gogo fighting !!
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On January 21 2011 06:21 AkobeS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:15 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 06:07 busbarn wrote:
Naniwa left Empire and is confirmed to be joining dignitas.
This makes team dignitas look scary good, probably one of the best foreign teams now. Minus Liquid (Every member?), or Root (Catz, Mini, Kiwi, QXC, Drew), or EG(Machine, Inka, Incontrol, LZ), or Mouz(Morrow, Strelock, Mana, Hasu, Naama), or Fnatic(Kiwi, TT1, Fenix, Gretorp. Sen, Lucifrion) I'd say dignitas in its current shape are atleast as good as all those teams, except liquid.
Really? Dignitas only have Sjow, and Select. And now Nanawi (who is known to trade teams some times.) I named at least 5 notable people for each team, while Diginatas only had 3.
Sure you can count apollo, but can you really? He is more of a commentator then anything.
Also, FXOpen has moonglade, sheth, OpTiKzErO, and "AllAboutYou".
I would say adding Nanawi improves their roster, but not any where near "atleast as good as all of those teams"
On January 21 2011 06:27 Odoakar wrote:
I don't understand why people put EG on the same level as these other teams when EG has absolutely no players as good as some of the players in these other teams. Idra of course excluded. Yeah, they have good players, but when did any of them win something in SC2? They are at best an average team.
Edit:ok, I forgot that they just picked up Demuslim, who is quite a player, but these are the accomplishments of other EG players:
LZGamer: 2010 MSI Evil Geniuses Masters Cup #1
Machine: 2010 iCCup TV League US Grand Prix #1
And that's it. Idra, and now Demuslim, are actually keeping EG looking like an good team, rather than mediocre.
Do you count liquid'tyler as a top player? Because all he has done has been to take 4th at MLG Dallas, but yet he is one of the strongest protoss out there.
So Before you go all crazy, pointing out that EG's team hasn't done much, look at other top players who "havn't done much". I mean, EG knocks itself out of MLG, literally, because of the crappy brackets. But yet, some of the best games i've seen have had eg members in them, as well as tyler, who havn't done as much as some other nonames.
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sjow, naniwa are 2 monsters
this is good news, dignitas is going to grow pretty fast in the future.
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On January 21 2011 06:41 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:35 Whiplash wrote:On January 21 2011 06:29 ptbl wrote:On January 21 2011 06:25 syllogism wrote:
He recently mentioned Empire didn't feel like a team as the team is "kind of spread out". Now he'll have at least a bunch of good Swedes to play with (Merz, Sjow, Bischu) Hmm interesting. Team Liquid is spread out, they have Tyler and Nazgul in the U.S., TLO in Europe, and Huk, Jinro, Ret, and Haypro in Korea. Even though they are spread out, they still have team spirit, which was demonstrated at MLG Dallas. Liquid doesn't have a language barrier, all of them speak english. Gratz to Naniwa, I hope he he will have a better practice environment and can take a shot at the next GSL. I thought he was referring to the geography when he said they were "spread out."
The exact quote and context:
TeamLiquid: Your teammate Empire.Kas won the last TSL3 Qualifier. How is your team? Do you guys practice together often?
Empire.Naniwa: Our team is kind of spread out. I'm Swedish and he's Ukrainian, so we don't really talk a lot or practice, so it doesnt really feel like we´re teammate in that aspect. But management wise the team is great and have done everything they promised me so far.
He was mostly referring to Kas here, but I wouldn't be surprised if it applied to the whole team, especially since Naniwa had joined relatively recently
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On January 21 2011 06:27 Odoakar wrote:
I don't understand why people put EG on the same level as these other teams when EG has absolutely no players as good as some of the players in these other teams. Idra of course excluded. Yeah, they have good players, but when did any of them win something in SC2? They are at best an average team.
Some blunt truth right there. Though I wouldn't really call their roster mediocre, their results certainly are, so far. Things can change real fast though, just remember what people said about Jinro a couple of months ago. If EG gets up a house in Korea and starts practising their asses off, things could get real exciting real soon. :D
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On January 21 2011 06:41 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:35 Whiplash wrote:On January 21 2011 06:29 ptbl wrote:On January 21 2011 06:25 syllogism wrote:
He recently mentioned Empire didn't feel like a team as the team is "kind of spread out". Now he'll have at least a bunch of good Swedes to play with (Merz, Sjow, Bischu) Hmm interesting. Team Liquid is spread out, they have Tyler and Nazgul in the U.S., TLO in Europe, and Huk, Jinro, Ret, and Haypro in Korea. Even though they are spread out, they still have team spirit, which was demonstrated at MLG Dallas. Liquid doesn't have a language barrier, all of them speak english. Gratz to Naniwa, I hope he he will have a better practice environment and can take a shot at the next GSL. I thought he was referring to the geography when he said they were "spread out."
Haypro and Nazgul are also both in europe. With the exception of Tyler they have two chunks of players who are local. Although Nazgul doesn't really play much, i'm sure he practices with Haypro and TLO.
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dignitas is starting to look strong :O gl naniwa in new team 
could use some more zergs tho
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On January 21 2011 06:47 Backpack wrote:
Haypro and Nazgul are also both in europe.
Haypro is going back to Korea now though.
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shouldnt we be glad about the fact that the foreign sc2 scene has many strong teams and that almost all top players have found an awesome clan to support them? imho we should cherish the flourishing clan scene instead of arguing about which clan has the longest e-penis.
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Wow his 'interview' and statements are... surprisingly respectable! If he keeps stepping himself up in and out of the game he could really explode on an international level.
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On January 21 2011 06:43 hellsan631 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:21 AkobeS wrote:On January 21 2011 06:15 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 06:07 busbarn wrote:
Naniwa left Empire and is confirmed to be joining dignitas.
This makes team dignitas look scary good, probably one of the best foreign teams now. Minus Liquid (Every member?), or Root (Catz, Mini, Kiwi, QXC, Drew), or EG(Machine, Inka, Incontrol, LZ), or Mouz(Morrow, Strelock, Mana, Hasu, Naama), or Fnatic(Kiwi, TT1, Fenix, Gretorp. Sen, Lucifrion) I'd say dignitas in its current shape are atleast as good as all those teams, except liquid. Really? Dignitas only have Sjow, and Select. And now Nanawi (who is known to trade teams some times.) I named at least 5 notable people for each team, while Diginatas only had 3. Sure you can count apollo, but can you really? He is more of a commentator then anything. Also, FXOpen has moonglade, sheth, OpTiKzErO, and "AllAboutYou". I would say adding Nanawi improves their roster, but not any where near "atleast as good as all of those teams" Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:27 Odoakar wrote:
I don't understand why people put EG on the same level as these other teams when EG has absolutely no players as good as some of the players in these other teams. Idra of course excluded. Yeah, they have good players, but when did any of them win something in SC2? They are at best an average team.
Edit:ok, I forgot that they just picked up Demuslim, who is quite a player, but these are the accomplishments of other EG players:
LZGamer: 2010 MSI Evil Geniuses Masters Cup #1
Machine: 2010 iCCup TV League US Grand Prix #1
And that's it. Idra, and now Demuslim, are actually keeping EG looking like an good team, rather than mediocre.
Do you count liquid'tyler as a top player? Because all he has done has been to take 4th at MLG Dallas, but yet he is one of the strongest protoss out there.
you name ppl like Gretorp, Lucifron, Inka, Incontrol ,Lz, Minigun or Hasu, but Bischu, merz and killer arent notable?
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On January 21 2011 06:47 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:41 ptbl wrote:On January 21 2011 06:35 Whiplash wrote:On January 21 2011 06:29 ptbl wrote:On January 21 2011 06:25 syllogism wrote:
He recently mentioned Empire didn't feel like a team as the team is "kind of spread out". Now he'll have at least a bunch of good Swedes to play with (Merz, Sjow, Bischu) Hmm interesting. Team Liquid is spread out, they have Tyler and Nazgul in the U.S., TLO in Europe, and Huk, Jinro, Ret, and Haypro in Korea. Even though they are spread out, they still have team spirit, which was demonstrated at MLG Dallas. Liquid doesn't have a language barrier, all of them speak english. Gratz to Naniwa, I hope he he will have a better practice environment and can take a shot at the next GSL. I thought he was referring to the geography when he said they were "spread out." Haypro and Nazgul are also both in europe. With the exception of Tyler they have two chunks of players who are local. Although Nazgul doesn't really play much, i'm sure he practices with Haypro and TLO.
Haypro is going back to Korea after his tournament appearances in the Homestory, Pokeridol, and XMG tournaments. I thought Nazgul is located at Team Liquid's headquarters, which in NYC?
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On January 21 2011 06:09 dizzy101 wrote:
Very nice pickup, arguably EU's #1 or #2 Protoss
Who's the other top 2 protoss in EU?
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White-Ra?
Naniwa is a strong addition, best of luck to him and dignitas.
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