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On January 21 2011 15:40 frequency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 14:53 7pool wrote:On January 21 2011 06:15 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 06:07 busbarn wrote:
Naniwa left Empire and is confirmed to be joining dignitas.
This makes team dignitas look scary good, probably one of the best foreign teams now. Minus Liquid (Every member?), or Root (Catz, Mini, Kiwi, QXC, Drew), or EG(Machine, Inka, Incontrol, LZ), or Mouz(Morrow, Strelock, Mana, Hasu, Naama), or Fnatic(Kiwi, TT1, Fenix, Gretorp. Sen, Lucifrion) Yeah, Those teams are way better than Dignitas. SeleCT is probably the best in that team. Nani needs to learn to play on more than one base. People saying they should send nani to Korea makes me laugh. Nani would just be a worse version of ChoyafOu. The stupidity in that comment really annoys me. If you don't watch his games, don't bother commenting on his play.
I have seen him play, couple of times. And I have yet to see him do something else than a standard 4gate, 4gate with 2 voidrays, 5gate or 3gate expand into 6gate.
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On January 22 2011 00:25 7pool wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 15:40 frequency wrote:On January 21 2011 14:53 7pool wrote:On January 21 2011 06:15 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 06:07 busbarn wrote:
Naniwa left Empire and is confirmed to be joining dignitas.
This makes team dignitas look scary good, probably one of the best foreign teams now. Minus Liquid (Every member?), or Root (Catz, Mini, Kiwi, QXC, Drew), or EG(Machine, Inka, Incontrol, LZ), or Mouz(Morrow, Strelock, Mana, Hasu, Naama), or Fnatic(Kiwi, TT1, Fenix, Gretorp. Sen, Lucifrion) Yeah, Those teams are way better than Dignitas. SeleCT is probably the best in that team. Nani needs to learn to play on more than one base. People saying they should send nani to Korea makes me laugh. Nani would just be a worse version of ChoyafOu. The stupidity in that comment really annoys me. If you don't watch his games, don't bother commenting on his play. I have seen him play, couple of times. And I have yet to see him do something else than a standard 4gate, 4gate with 2 voidrays, 5gate or 3gate expand into 6gate.
lol what the hell do you want him to do, mass sentry rush ? all protoss do the same thing
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On January 21 2011 23:36 Yiska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 20:33 Cel.erity wrote:On January 21 2011 18:06 netherDrake wrote:On January 21 2011 14:53 7pool wrote:On January 21 2011 06:15 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 06:07 busbarn wrote:
Naniwa left Empire and is confirmed to be joining dignitas.
This makes team dignitas look scary good, probably one of the best foreign teams now. Minus Liquid (Every member?), or Root (Catz, Mini, Kiwi, QXC, Drew), or EG(Machine, Inka, Incontrol, LZ), or Mouz(Morrow, Strelock, Mana, Hasu, Naama), or Fnatic(Kiwi, TT1, Fenix, Gretorp. Sen, Lucifrion) Yeah, Those teams are way better than Dignitas. SeleCT is probably the best in that team. Nani needs to learn to play on more than one base. People saying they should send nani to Korea makes me laugh. Nani would just be a worse version of ChoyafOu. I think the dignitas lineup isn't too far from mouz/Fnatic/ROOT and slightly stronger than EG. Including IdrA/Demuslim in this equation? I'm pretty sure IdrA could allkill Dignitas in a CW, but even so, if you compare IdrA/Demuslim/Machine/InControl/Inka to Naniwa/Sjow/Select/Bischu/Killer, EG is better in 3-4 of those matchups, and then Axslav/Lz/StrifeCro are much stronger than the remainder of Dignitas. I think Naniwa is world-class, but that doesn't make Dignitas world-class. EG keeps losing to NrG. I think you vastly overestimate them. When IdrA isn't around they've been showing underwhelming results
I know, they have underwhelming results because they're always using their 5 weakest players for CWs. 
It's like saying Dignitas would have underwhelming results without Naniwa, Sjow, and Select. Hmmmmm....
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EG is much less active than the other teams I think. You constantly see the other team's stars hopping around to Lans and smaller online tourneys, but I haven't seen LZ, for example, mentioned in months in anything.
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On January 21 2011 10:14 hellsan631 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 07:15 NexUmbra wrote:
Yes it is Meaty.
I wouldn't even say he is 'questionably' number 2 toss, I would say he just is. Socke Huk Tyler Kiwi White-Ra These are all that play way better then him. I've watched a lot of his games, and a ton of the other toss's i named games, and they impress me way more then Nanawi has ever done.
No they dont, atm nani is preforming better than everyone on that list except for white-ra. Huk and tyler have done nothing concrete of late in any tournament, i think tyler went out fairly early in that fx open, and huk has done nothing in korea as of yet to be able to be placed anywhere, kiwi lost to morrow in the reddit tournament who nani has destroyed in their last meeting and socke lost out to him in the homestory cup. Going by tournmanet results nani is unquestionably number 2 atm
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On January 22 2011 01:22 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 10:14 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 07:15 NexUmbra wrote:
Yes it is Meaty.
I wouldn't even say he is 'questionably' number 2 toss, I would say he just is. Socke Huk Tyler Kiwi White-Ra These are all that play way better then him. I've watched a lot of his games, and a ton of the other toss's i named games, and they impress me way more then Nanawi has ever done. No they dont, atm nani is preforming better than everyone on that list except for white-ra. Huk and tyler have done nothing concrete of late in any tournament, i think tyler went out fairly early in that fx open, and huk has done nothing in korea as of yet to be able to be placed anywhere, kiwi lost to morrow in the reddit tournament who nani has destroyed in their last meeting and socke lost out to him in the homestory cup. Going by tournmanet results nani is unquestionably number 2 atm
Dude... no ones says that he's bad, just not as good as those guys, and tbh, as far as Ra, Huk, Tyler and Kiwi are concerned, they are -all- better than him, and dont bother saying "they havnt done well in tourney x, or havnt played a tourney for a while, because huk and Tyler -STREAM- you can watch them play against other pro's on ladder often, and these guys are straight up beasts, not to mention that kiwi (although not as good as Tyler and Huk mechanically imo) is one of the most creative players in the game -period- it is no shame to be called worse than those guys
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On January 22 2011 01:40 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 01:22 shaunnn wrote:On January 21 2011 10:14 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 07:15 NexUmbra wrote:
Yes it is Meaty.
I wouldn't even say he is 'questionably' number 2 toss, I would say he just is. Socke Huk Tyler Kiwi White-Ra These are all that play way better then him. I've watched a lot of his games, and a ton of the other toss's i named games, and they impress me way more then Nanawi has ever done. No they dont, atm nani is preforming better than everyone on that list except for white-ra. Huk and tyler have done nothing concrete of late in any tournament, i think tyler went out fairly early in that fx open, and huk has done nothing in korea as of yet to be able to be placed anywhere, kiwi lost to morrow in the reddit tournament who nani has destroyed in their last meeting and socke lost out to him in the homestory cup. Going by tournmanet results nani is unquestionably number 2 atm Dude... no ones says that he's bad, just not as good as those guys, and tbh, as far as Ra, Huk, Tyler and Kiwi are concerned, they are -all- better than him, and dont bother saying "they havnt done well in tourney x, or havnt played a tourney for a while, because huk and Tyler -STREAM- you can watch them play against other pro's on ladder often, and these guys are straight up beasts, not to mention that kiwi (although not as good as Tyler and Huk mechanically imo) is one of the most creative players in the game -period- it is no shame to be called worse than those guys
So basically your saying dont use rational arguements like tournament results because they dont agree with your opinion of the players, nice logic you have there
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On January 22 2011 01:40 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 01:22 shaunnn wrote:On January 21 2011 10:14 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 07:15 NexUmbra wrote:
Yes it is Meaty.
I wouldn't even say he is 'questionably' number 2 toss, I would say he just is. Socke Huk Tyler Kiwi White-Ra These are all that play way better then him. I've watched a lot of his games, and a ton of the other toss's i named games, and they impress me way more then Nanawi has ever done. No they dont, atm nani is preforming better than everyone on that list except for white-ra. Huk and tyler have done nothing concrete of late in any tournament, i think tyler went out fairly early in that fx open, and huk has done nothing in korea as of yet to be able to be placed anywhere, kiwi lost to morrow in the reddit tournament who nani has destroyed in their last meeting and socke lost out to him in the homestory cup. Going by tournmanet results nani is unquestionably number 2 atm Dude... no ones says that he's bad, just not as good as those guys, and tbh, as far as Ra, Huk, Tyler and Kiwi are concerned, they are -all- better than him, and dont bother saying "they havnt done well in tourney x, or havnt played a tourney for a while, because huk and Tyler -STREAM- you can watch them play against other pro's on ladder often, and these guys are straight up beasts, not to mention that kiwi (although not as good as Tyler and Huk mechanically imo) is one of the most creative players in the game -period- it is no shame to be called worse than those guys
It's pretty debatable I think; they are all very close, and all world-class players with a lot of different strengths and weaknesses. Protoss' skill ceiling limits us from seeing how far a true prodigy can get with the race. I won't argue with anyone's opinion, but it should be understood that with his outstanding unit control and build refinement, Naniwa is in the same realm as all those players.
Tyler is in his own world lately though. I think, with his dedication to training and understanding of the game, if he moved to the oGs house he'd be code A immediately.
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On January 22 2011 01:47 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 01:40 Mogget wrote:On January 22 2011 01:22 shaunnn wrote:On January 21 2011 10:14 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 07:15 NexUmbra wrote:
Yes it is Meaty.
I wouldn't even say he is 'questionably' number 2 toss, I would say he just is. Socke Huk Tyler Kiwi White-Ra These are all that play way better then him. I've watched a lot of his games, and a ton of the other toss's i named games, and they impress me way more then Nanawi has ever done. No they dont, atm nani is preforming better than everyone on that list except for white-ra. Huk and tyler have done nothing concrete of late in any tournament, i think tyler went out fairly early in that fx open, and huk has done nothing in korea as of yet to be able to be placed anywhere, kiwi lost to morrow in the reddit tournament who nani has destroyed in their last meeting and socke lost out to him in the homestory cup. Going by tournmanet results nani is unquestionably number 2 atm Dude... no ones says that he's bad, just not as good as those guys, and tbh, as far as Ra, Huk, Tyler and Kiwi are concerned, they are -all- better than him, and dont bother saying "they havnt done well in tourney x, or havnt played a tourney for a while, because huk and Tyler -STREAM- you can watch them play against other pro's on ladder often, and these guys are straight up beasts, not to mention that kiwi (although not as good as Tyler and Huk mechanically imo) is one of the most creative players in the game -period- it is no shame to be called worse than those guys So basically your saying dont use rational arguements like tournament results because they dont agree with your opinion of the players, nice logic you have there
No, actually i was saying don't -only- look at tournament results, just becuase it agree's with -your- opinion. Way to instantly take a discussion into insults and slander (y)
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Seems like everything is going Naniwa's way right now, Im always happy to see a skilled player getting the opportunity to develope and showcase his skills.
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On January 22 2011 01:51 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 01:47 shaunnn wrote:On January 22 2011 01:40 Mogget wrote:On January 22 2011 01:22 shaunnn wrote:On January 21 2011 10:14 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 07:15 NexUmbra wrote:
Yes it is Meaty.
I wouldn't even say he is 'questionably' number 2 toss, I would say he just is. Socke Huk Tyler Kiwi White-Ra These are all that play way better then him. I've watched a lot of his games, and a ton of the other toss's i named games, and they impress me way more then Nanawi has ever done. No they dont, atm nani is preforming better than everyone on that list except for white-ra. Huk and tyler have done nothing concrete of late in any tournament, i think tyler went out fairly early in that fx open, and huk has done nothing in korea as of yet to be able to be placed anywhere, kiwi lost to morrow in the reddit tournament who nani has destroyed in their last meeting and socke lost out to him in the homestory cup. Going by tournmanet results nani is unquestionably number 2 atm Dude... no ones says that he's bad, just not as good as those guys, and tbh, as far as Ra, Huk, Tyler and Kiwi are concerned, they are -all- better than him, and dont bother saying "they havnt done well in tourney x, or havnt played a tourney for a while, because huk and Tyler -STREAM- you can watch them play against other pro's on ladder often, and these guys are straight up beasts, not to mention that kiwi (although not as good as Tyler and Huk mechanically imo) is one of the most creative players in the game -period- it is no shame to be called worse than those guys So basically your saying dont use rational arguements like tournament results because they dont agree with your opinion of the players, nice logic you have there No, actually i was saying don't -only- look at tournament results, just becuase it agree's with -your- opinion. Way to instantly take a discussion into insults and slander (y)
Ok your trying to argue based from streamed ladder performance, but naniwa is nr1 in europe with an 80% win ratio and was the first to hit 3k(did it on american servers as boyardee) and the first to hit 4k, you dont have an arguement for why these players are better than him at all yet you tell me im wrong because in your opinion they are, i hardly took the discussion into insults and slander, i just pointed out your bad reasoning.
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On January 22 2011 02:06 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 01:51 Mogget wrote:On January 22 2011 01:47 shaunnn wrote:On January 22 2011 01:40 Mogget wrote:On January 22 2011 01:22 shaunnn wrote:On January 21 2011 10:14 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 07:15 NexUmbra wrote:
Yes it is Meaty.
I wouldn't even say he is 'questionably' number 2 toss, I would say he just is. Socke Huk Tyler Kiwi White-Ra These are all that play way better then him. I've watched a lot of his games, and a ton of the other toss's i named games, and they impress me way more then Nanawi has ever done. No they dont, atm nani is preforming better than everyone on that list except for white-ra. Huk and tyler have done nothing concrete of late in any tournament, i think tyler went out fairly early in that fx open, and huk has done nothing in korea as of yet to be able to be placed anywhere, kiwi lost to morrow in the reddit tournament who nani has destroyed in their last meeting and socke lost out to him in the homestory cup. Going by tournmanet results nani is unquestionably number 2 atm Dude... no ones says that he's bad, just not as good as those guys, and tbh, as far as Ra, Huk, Tyler and Kiwi are concerned, they are -all- better than him, and dont bother saying "they havnt done well in tourney x, or havnt played a tourney for a while, because huk and Tyler -STREAM- you can watch them play against other pro's on ladder often, and these guys are straight up beasts, not to mention that kiwi (although not as good as Tyler and Huk mechanically imo) is one of the most creative players in the game -period- it is no shame to be called worse than those guys So basically your saying dont use rational arguements like tournament results because they dont agree with your opinion of the players, nice logic you have there No, actually i was saying don't -only- look at tournament results, just becuase it agree's with -your- opinion. Way to instantly take a discussion into insults and slander (y) Ok your trying to argue based from streamed ladder performance, but naniwa is nr1 in europe with an 80% win ratio and was the first to hit 3k(did it on american servers as boyardee) and the first to hit 4k, you dont have an arguement for why these players are better than him at all yet you tell me im wrong because in your opinion they are, i hardly took the discussion into insults and slander, i just pointed out your bad reasoning.
And huk is 3rd -and- 4th on Korea ladder, but that isnt what i meant, what i meant was, if you actually watch their streams, playing against the best players in the world, on a regular basis, and winning a lot, (notice, this is the point i was actually making by stressing the fact that they stream) so simply saying "they got knock out of tourney x early" (could happen to any player) or, "they havnt played a tourney in a while" does not mean you cant still clearly see that they are training and are still top players.
and fyi, sarcastily saying "nice logic you have there" is insulting, and was intended as such 
EDIT: also, just to re-iterate, i dont htink he is bad, i think he's very good, i watch his games often, and he's good, i just havnt been as impressed by him as i ever have by tyler huk or kiwi
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On January 22 2011 02:11 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 02:06 shaunnn wrote:On January 22 2011 01:51 Mogget wrote:On January 22 2011 01:47 shaunnn wrote:On January 22 2011 01:40 Mogget wrote:On January 22 2011 01:22 shaunnn wrote:On January 21 2011 10:14 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 07:15 NexUmbra wrote:
Yes it is Meaty.
I wouldn't even say he is 'questionably' number 2 toss, I would say he just is. Socke Huk Tyler Kiwi White-Ra These are all that play way better then him. I've watched a lot of his games, and a ton of the other toss's i named games, and they impress me way more then Nanawi has ever done. No they dont, atm nani is preforming better than everyone on that list except for white-ra. Huk and tyler have done nothing concrete of late in any tournament, i think tyler went out fairly early in that fx open, and huk has done nothing in korea as of yet to be able to be placed anywhere, kiwi lost to morrow in the reddit tournament who nani has destroyed in their last meeting and socke lost out to him in the homestory cup. Going by tournmanet results nani is unquestionably number 2 atm Dude... no ones says that he's bad, just not as good as those guys, and tbh, as far as Ra, Huk, Tyler and Kiwi are concerned, they are -all- better than him, and dont bother saying "they havnt done well in tourney x, or havnt played a tourney for a while, because huk and Tyler -STREAM- you can watch them play against other pro's on ladder often, and these guys are straight up beasts, not to mention that kiwi (although not as good as Tyler and Huk mechanically imo) is one of the most creative players in the game -period- it is no shame to be called worse than those guys So basically your saying dont use rational arguements like tournament results because they dont agree with your opinion of the players, nice logic you have there No, actually i was saying don't -only- look at tournament results, just becuase it agree's with -your- opinion. Way to instantly take a discussion into insults and slander (y) Ok your trying to argue based from streamed ladder performance, but naniwa is nr1 in europe with an 80% win ratio and was the first to hit 3k(did it on american servers as boyardee) and the first to hit 4k, you dont have an arguement for why these players are better than him at all yet you tell me im wrong because in your opinion they are, i hardly took the discussion into insults and slander, i just pointed out your bad reasoning. And huk is 3rd -and- 4th on Korea ladder, but that isnt what i meant, what i meant was, if you actually watch their streams, playing against the best players in the world, on a regular basis, and winning a lot, (notice, this is the point i was actually making by stressing the fact that they stream) so simply saying "they got knock out of tourney x early" (could happen to any player) or, "they havnt played a tourney in a while" does not mean you cant still clearly see that they are training and are still top players. and fyi, sarcastily saying "nice logic you have there" is insulting, and was intended as such EDIT: also, just to re-iterate, i dont htink he is bad, i think he's very good, i watch his games often, and he's good, i just havnt been as impressed by him as i ever have by tyler huk or kiwi
Ok but i never argued that huk and tyler arnt top players, My point was that using factual data ie recent tournament results, naniwa is currently preforming as the 2nd best protoss outside of korea,
Then you said i was wrong "Dude... no ones says that he's bad, just not as good as those guys, and tbh, as far as Ra, Huk, Tyler and Kiwi are concerned, they are -all- better than him"
and these players are better than him because they have streams of them laddering beating top players which impresses you more than naniwa does, even though naniwa's ladder preformance is just as good if not better than theirs,
You must see your arguing from a personal opinion rather than actual facts and telling me im wrong even though you havent provided anything to back that claim
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On January 22 2011 02:55 shaunnn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 02:11 Mogget wrote:On January 22 2011 02:06 shaunnn wrote:On January 22 2011 01:51 Mogget wrote:On January 22 2011 01:47 shaunnn wrote:On January 22 2011 01:40 Mogget wrote:On January 22 2011 01:22 shaunnn wrote:On January 21 2011 10:14 hellsan631 wrote:On January 21 2011 07:15 NexUmbra wrote:
Yes it is Meaty.
I wouldn't even say he is 'questionably' number 2 toss, I would say he just is. Socke Huk Tyler Kiwi White-Ra These are all that play way better then him. I've watched a lot of his games, and a ton of the other toss's i named games, and they impress me way more then Nanawi has ever done. No they dont, atm nani is preforming better than everyone on that list except for white-ra. Huk and tyler have done nothing concrete of late in any tournament, i think tyler went out fairly early in that fx open, and huk has done nothing in korea as of yet to be able to be placed anywhere, kiwi lost to morrow in the reddit tournament who nani has destroyed in their last meeting and socke lost out to him in the homestory cup. Going by tournmanet results nani is unquestionably number 2 atm Dude... no ones says that he's bad, just not as good as those guys, and tbh, as far as Ra, Huk, Tyler and Kiwi are concerned, they are -all- better than him, and dont bother saying "they havnt done well in tourney x, or havnt played a tourney for a while, because huk and Tyler -STREAM- you can watch them play against other pro's on ladder often, and these guys are straight up beasts, not to mention that kiwi (although not as good as Tyler and Huk mechanically imo) is one of the most creative players in the game -period- it is no shame to be called worse than those guys So basically your saying dont use rational arguements like tournament results because they dont agree with your opinion of the players, nice logic you have there No, actually i was saying don't -only- look at tournament results, just becuase it agree's with -your- opinion. Way to instantly take a discussion into insults and slander (y) Ok your trying to argue based from streamed ladder performance, but naniwa is nr1 in europe with an 80% win ratio and was the first to hit 3k(did it on american servers as boyardee) and the first to hit 4k, you dont have an arguement for why these players are better than him at all yet you tell me im wrong because in your opinion they are, i hardly took the discussion into insults and slander, i just pointed out your bad reasoning. And huk is 3rd -and- 4th on Korea ladder, but that isnt what i meant, what i meant was, if you actually watch their streams, playing against the best players in the world, on a regular basis, and winning a lot, (notice, this is the point i was actually making by stressing the fact that they stream) so simply saying "they got knock out of tourney x early" (could happen to any player) or, "they havnt played a tourney in a while" does not mean you cant still clearly see that they are training and are still top players. and fyi, sarcastily saying "nice logic you have there" is insulting, and was intended as such EDIT: also, just to re-iterate, i dont htink he is bad, i think he's very good, i watch his games often, and he's good, i just havnt been as impressed by him as i ever have by tyler huk or kiwi Ok but i never argued that huk and tyler arnt top players, My point was that using factual data ie recent tournament results, naniwa is currently preforming as the 2nd best protoss outside of korea, Then you said i was wrong "Dude... no ones says that he's bad, just not as good as those guys, and tbh, as far as Ra, Huk, Tyler and Kiwi are concerned, they are -all- better than him" and these players are better than him because they have streams of them laddering beating top players which impresses you more than naniwa does, even though naniwa's ladder preformance is just as good if not better than theirs, You must see your arguing from a personal opinion rather than actual facts and telling me im wrong even though you havent provided anything to back that claim
Pro games are pro games, be they on ladder or in a tournament and unfortunatly for nani players like oGsMC, fruitdealer, idra, jinro (players that Tyler and Huk often beat on ladder) are not competeing in these tournaments which nani is winning. Nani is good, but untill he shows me that he can compete with, and beat the top players in the world, im not going to be ranking him above players that have already shown me they can. Just because he has won some tournaments that if we're honest, tyler could have taken, and had huk participated in, he could have taken. I love the new ladder system, becuase we now have the ability to almost constantly watch pro games
I have presented evidence, you just refuse to acknowlege it as evidence for reasons unknown to me.
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So your evidence is "tyler could also have taken the tournaments which naniwa won"? That's not an evidence. Your opinion (like every other on this topic) is subjective.
I also doubt that Tyler often beats players like ogsMC, fruitdealer, idra and jinro on ladder. I don't think that he plays against these players.
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On January 22 2011 03:45 vdale wrote:
So your evidence is "tyler could also have taken the tournaments which naniwa won"? That's not an evidence. Your opinion (like every other on this topic) is subjective.
I also doubt that Tyler often beats players like ogsMC, fruitdealer, idra and jinro on ladder. I don't think that he plays against these players.
That wasnt my evidence at all, and yes, he does, watch his stream keep in mind, "often" doesnt mean he's 70/30 against them, it means he plays them a lot, and has decent w/l considering who they are
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some scandinavians in dignitas, so i think he will fit in better there
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I'm happy for Naniwa.
It is very few players who has taken a step back, looked at what they've been doing, seen how it is being perceived, and changed it.
So far all I have been seeing out of him is excellent play, definitely worthy of being on a great team like Dignitas.
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People picking Naniwa over HuK ? Stop it, seriously...
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On January 22 2011 03:45 vdale wrote:
So your evidence is "tyler could also have taken the tournaments which naniwa won"? That's not an evidence. Your opinion (like every other on this topic) is subjective.
I would say Naniwa is better than Socke from that list mentioned above, and as much as it pains me to admit, possibly Tyler as well at this point. But you can't even compare him with Huk right now, Huk can destroy foreigners so hard right now if he brings his A game. White-Ra and Kiwi are in my opinion also better players overall.
And if we're talking about facts, rather than opinions, Naniwa hasn't done anything of note in any major tournaments. In fact Tyler has technically done better than him overall, not even to talk about the others on that list. He isn't even at the IEM Europe championship going on right now. His achievements of late are pretty much limited to TL Opens, and with all due respect it's essentially an online BO1/BO3 tournament with $200 prize pool.
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