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David Kim Blizzcon Interview about balance - Page 5

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biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
October 24 2010 18:38 GMT
#81
Thanks for the translation.

It's a good read. I'm happy to know his thoughts about balancing the game, actually I can't say I disagree with anything he said about their methods.

Hopefully all the races would be equally represented in tournaments.
sl0w
Profile Joined July 2010
United States447 Posts
October 24 2010 18:55 GMT
#82
I can't believe they're thinking about nerfing psi storm again ugh...but at least they're looking at autorepair. If the AI could prioritize targeting repairing scvs I would be very happy.
Endalay
Profile Joined October 2010
Latvia12 Posts
October 24 2010 19:24 GMT
#83
On October 25 2010 02:43 KiriKitsune wrote:
Ugh ZvT is not even now.... Terran is completely at a disadvantage, we need some korean to show us how to TvZ now or something because i cant win any of my ZvT's T_T

bratok vs ret craftcup finals yesterday are made for you - watch them
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
October 24 2010 19:26 GMT
#84
I think its great that they care.
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
October 24 2010 19:35 GMT
#85
At least blizz understands the balance issue with PvT. I do think that terran hasn't explored all possibilities when it comes to late game and think that they can be utilized so there isn't as big of a gap as there is for early game tvp.
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
cmgillett
Profile Joined March 2010
United States335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 19:50:49
October 24 2010 19:50 GMT
#86
On October 25 2010 04:24 Endalay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 02:43 KiriKitsune wrote:
Ugh ZvT is not even now.... Terran is completely at a disadvantage, we need some korean to show us how to TvZ now or something because i cant win any of my ZvT's T_T

bratok vs ret craftcup finals yesterday are made for you - watch them


found it!, http://www.bitsperbeat.com/sc2/?site=match-details&ID=26393
JoelB
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany311 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 20:32:36
October 24 2010 20:32 GMT
#87
so funny how everyone suddenly screams about storm ... make them easier to get in early game to equal out protoss heavy disadvantage ... then a nerf to the overall psy storm dmg f.e. would be fine ... but in it's current state just nerfing HTs will make them completly useless (now they are just hard to get but then usefull ...) people really need to realize that david kim did NOT say "we nerf psy storm, period" ... he clearly said that there is a disadvantage for protoss in early and an advantage in late game ... so a storm nerf would certainly mean a terran nerf for early game (or a protoss buff for early) ... thx for reading the OP
d[s]c
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States79 Posts
October 24 2010 20:33 GMT
#88
spore crawler should be able to detect while unburrowed.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 24 2010 20:44 GMT
#89
I'm confused. He says at high levels, Terran has a 6% advantage over Protoss, which makes it an "issue". He then goes on to say that they are thinking about nerfing High Templar. And since Terran has been "nerfed so much", they want to be very careful in nerfing them in the future. Does that apply to Protoss as well, seeing as how Protoss has been nerfed in every single patch since Beta started?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
JoelB
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany311 Posts
October 24 2010 20:49 GMT
#90
On October 25 2010 05:44 Sentenal wrote:
I'm confused. He says at high levels, Terran has a 6% advantage over Protoss, which makes it an "issue". He then goes on to say that they are thinking about nerfing High Templar. And since Terran has been "nerfed so much", they want to be very careful in nerfing them in the future. Does that apply to Protoss as well, seeing as how Protoss has been nerfed in every single patch since Beta started?


read again ... he DID not say that
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 20:56:19
October 24 2010 20:53 GMT
#91
On October 25 2010 05:49 JoelB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 05:44 Sentenal wrote:
I'm confused. He says at high levels, Terran has a 6% advantage over Protoss, which makes it an "issue". He then goes on to say that they are thinking about nerfing High Templar. And since Terran has been "nerfed so much", they want to be very careful in nerfing them in the future. Does that apply to Protoss as well, seeing as how Protoss has been nerfed in every single patch since Beta started?


read again ... he DID not say that

"In PvT however, top-tier terrans have a 6% win rate advantage over protoss. We generally don't see a difference within 5% as a balance issue, but 6% is a little bit outside that range."

"Q. Are there any plans to buff terran in the next patch?
A. We are looking at PvT and High Templar's Psionic Storm. It's only been a week after patch, so we are still analyzing how it is affecting gameplay."

"However, we've nerfed terran so much that if we do end up nerfing terran, we will do so very carefully. We are trying to avoid nerfing terran if we can."

So which part did he actually not say? Seems to me like I'm not the one who needs to read it again.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 24 2010 20:54 GMT
#92
OH Dear Lord in Heaven, please make this happen!!

"or making the AI target repairing scvs with priority in order to kill them more easily"

diminishing the Thor's size is just a buff to its mobility/controlability, for the cost of maybe 2 scvs less to repair it with auto-repair.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
EliteGaming
Profile Joined June 2009
Dominican Republic97 Posts
October 24 2010 21:15 GMT
#93
On October 24 2010 22:06 oZii wrote:
This is pretty good thanks.

There is no problem with Psionic Storm terran has the counter which is ghosts but for some reason they dont use that often.


So hard to cast EMP when the HT are behind ur forces or good speread of units (1500+ D T here) oh yeah cloack you say? P always have obs flying over the map.. so tough. but not imposibble.
TvT is ImabalaOh wait!! im T. QQ
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 21:38:15
October 24 2010 21:37 GMT
#94
On October 25 2010 06:15 g4mbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 22:06 oZii wrote:
This is pretty good thanks.

There is no problem with Psionic Storm terran has the counter which is ghosts but for some reason they dont use that often.


So hard to cast EMP when the HT are behind ur forces or good speread of units (1500+ D T here) oh yeah cloack you say? P always have obs flying over the map.. so tough. but not imposibble.

1. scan
2.snipe the obs
3.emp
4.A-move
5.enjoy


I'm afraid how big the nerf will be on the storm because it will have so big f an impact im PvZ
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
Mitzu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States24 Posts
October 24 2010 21:39 GMT
#95
Great thread and translations. It reassured me on a lot of points (as a Terran) and I do agree that repairing a thor can be a little bit imbalanced. I can see where he is coming from about the early barracks being too strong in low tier, but it makes the early game "cheese" options for a terran a bit limited. While it isn't something to be employed every game, it's still fun to use once in a while and I miss being able to do barracks before depot. Also, I like that he's studying High Templar storm or Collosus imbalance because it feels as though Terran is at a disadvantage against both Zerg and Protoss in production capabilities late game. These are just my thoughts though, thanks for the translations though!
"I haven't failed 1000 times, I've simply found 1000 ways that don't work." - T. Edison
Epoch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada257 Posts
October 24 2010 21:46 GMT
#96
Thank god they are looking at psyonic storm. Psyonic storm is fluffing ridiculous.
FaTLiP
Profile Joined August 2004
United States57 Posts
October 24 2010 21:57 GMT
#97
Ugh. I get so fucking TIRED of these Nerf that, Nerf this, Imba imba imba imba claims.

"Why does protoss get instant storm when its already so cost effective"? Because fucking christ man, EVERY other unit in PvT is cost INNEFECTIVE. (plz don't say well he had 14 colo's, or 10 carriers) to rebuttle. thats just stupid. you also have a counter in the ghost. Learn to use it.

"ghosts are op" No. They are not. They are a damn good unit, by you do have to pay a heft price for them. And the A-move kiting is mandatorty mid/late game. Ghosts don't A-move kite with the rest of the army. Yes. That is an indeed very big thing. Toss players can sac in a solo HT and feedback a couple of ghosts just as easily T can send ghosts can cloak and emp. without energy Ghosts have an auto attack and nice range, Ht's go archon. 2 different units. Deal with it.

"but toss can warp" Yes, and Terrans get mules. Its the fucking mechanics of the race. Imagine if toss had to produce like terrans did? It would be absolute face rape all over the place.

And the fact that Blizzard is looking into nerfing storm....Saddins me. PvT Will become Marauder+vike/ Stalker/colo. And we all know how lame ass that matchup will be. If the nerf hammer does come down on storm, early bio will have to be nerfed in some way, Otherwise toss will never be able to catch up. My 2 cents from a T and P player. (in with both cases, Z will be extreamly op....)


Nerf after nerf, I'm still rockin P!
EdSlyB
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Portugal1621 Posts
October 24 2010 22:00 GMT
#98
SC2 is a game with alot variables. And when different players have opposite opinions on a same subject its hard to judge wich (if any) is right. Give Blizzard some room. They will eventualy find the balance.
aka Wardo
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
October 24 2010 22:05 GMT
#99
Giving Psi storm the tank treatment and making them do more damaged to armor and less to light would work well. Colossus could even get 8.5 range.
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oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 22:17:05
October 24 2010 22:09 GMT
#100
On October 25 2010 06:46 Epoch wrote:
Thank god they are looking at psyonic storm. Psyonic storm is fluffing ridiculous.



Isn't that how the races are meant to be played though? Zerg units are weak there for they are suppose to be macro-based as said in the open panel at blizzcon. Protoss has more expensive units and unit composition is key to protoss early game 1 or 2 more zealots or stalker depending on situation can sometimes spell doom for Protoss. Protoss also usually when committing to a given tech path usually has to expo early-mid just to switch to another tech path. Terran is suppose to be the adaptable race. So with protoss having such expensive units they should have powerful late game units. I think terrans refuse to go anything other than MMM because thats what they see most of the time in tournaments and such. Even with storm they toss army is immoble compared to Terrans and you arent getting Storm on 1 base. You have to expand which can sometimes be hard to do as you start spreading your army thin thats when drops come into play.

As Gretorp said on SoTG many of the Terran openings he doesn't like because they are gimmicky and he prefers a more Macro based style. So he has been going 2 rax FE. While he didn't agree with the way they nerfed terran he is excited about the possiblilties for more solid builds that are more macro based. Thats what I think terrans need to see MMM is like toss 4 gate its the bread and butter build that they can always fall back on in most cases. Zerg has mutaling as there bread and butter. These builds will never die out never go anywhere unless blizzard makes a drastic change to all races. Terrans need someone to come with a very nice innovative build just as zerg had Fruitdealer and idrA. Toss needs the samething more innovative build biggest innovator right now I would say is kiwikaki. For terran I dont who is really innovative outside of TLO who is now zerg.

I think that when the game first came out and everyone was upset at the strength of MMM most people focused on beating it people still hate facing MMM most races have figured how to deal with it. I mean zergs mutaling baneling isn't even Tier 3 and really handles MMM well.

I don't see why Terrans can't go mech+ghosts or anything +ghosts its just 1 extra building and a tech lab which is pretty standard anyway.
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