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Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 13:47:53
July 16 2009 13:46 GMT
#21
........ If he won the last OSL ("Bisu's Destiny"), i suppose he *could* be called a bonjwa, but that's still debatable due to his lack of dominance. However, he lost 3-0 to Fantasy. There are many talented players that have won titles, yet never held the title of Bonjwa. Reach, Ra, and Julyzerg are probably the most prominent ones. I think Bisu, as well as JD and Flash, will fit in their group.
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LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
July 16 2009 13:47 GMT
#22
On July 16 2009 22:31 disciple wrote:
hmmm I wonder how Jaedong did during the Taek-Bang season...



Considering the maps, he did incredibly well. Bisu himself commented once with amazement on Jaedong's ability to dominate the scene even when the entire zerg race is slumping.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 16 2009 13:47 GMT
#23
Now Bisu is jinxed and will lose his MSL match, along with his playoff matches

bad time to be posting this thread
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
July 16 2009 13:47 GMT
#24
On July 16 2009 22:45 minus_human wrote:
hmmm... bisu - bonjwa? never

it feels good to be a hater




In all seriousness, Bisu's chances of winning the OSL are not that great, and Jaedong has a staggering lead on him in the Kespa rankings. His lead is almost worth a 1000 points, that's the same as sAviOr scored when he was in his prime, against the #2 KesPa at the time, Nada.

Unless you're talking about future OSLs (which I too think he won't be able to win that easily, because OSL mapmakers hate toss :p), he is already out of the current OSL
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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 16 2009 13:49 GMT
#25
On July 16 2009 22:45 minus_human wrote:
In all seriousness, Bisu's chances of winning the OSL are not that great.


Hey, 0% chance is pretty good isn't it?

Anyways, hasn't there been enough of this bonjwa talk? It's too ambiguous and up in the air as to who is the top player right now in the SC scene. Isn't being bonjwa all about being like the absolute best? If there's any doubt at all, then bonjwa he is not.
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
July 16 2009 13:51 GMT
#26
I'm pretty sure minus_human was talking about the MSL, we just had a talk on that today.
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
July 16 2009 13:52 GMT
#27
On July 16 2009 22:49 Roffles wrote:
Isn't being bonjwa all about being like the absolute best? If there's any doubt at all, then bonjwa he is not.

Yeah, someone who is undisputed best player by a mile and can't be taken down by ANYONE.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
July 16 2009 13:53 GMT
#28
On July 16 2009 22:47 LucasWoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 22:31 disciple wrote:
hmmm I wonder how Jaedong did during the Taek-Bang season...



Considering the maps, he did incredibly well. Bisu himself commented once with amazement on Jaedong's ability to dominate the scene even when the entire zerg race is slumping.

JD was out from every competition in the Ro16, at least now bisu is the only toss to make it to Ro8 of some league. Jd is as much as map dependable as everyone
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 13:57:17
July 16 2009 13:56 GMT
#29
On July 16 2009 22:53 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 22:47 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:31 disciple wrote:
hmmm I wonder how Jaedong did during the Taek-Bang season...



Considering the maps, he did incredibly well. Bisu himself commented once with amazement on Jaedong's ability to dominate the scene even when the entire zerg race is slumping.

JD was out from every competition in the Ro16, at least now bisu is the only toss to make it to Ro8 of some league. Jd is as much as map dependable as everyone


JD won WCG :p
and raped in PL

and Bisu had never the "OSL curse" hahaha
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 16 2009 13:56 GMT
#30
I like how I knew what the post was about by just reading the topic title and who played in the MSL.

Anyway

The fact that this kind of topic appears after nearly every single Ro16 win means the exact opposite of what the topic creators are trying to get across.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 16 2009 13:58 GMT
#31
you can't call someone bonjwa if most people doesn't acknowledge it. Boxer and savior are bonjwas coz people agree and acknowledge that they are really bonjwas.
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Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
July 16 2009 13:59 GMT
#32
Ugh this just another bisu fanboy circle jerk thread
OMG you nasty gurl
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 14:02:50
July 16 2009 14:01 GMT
#33
Oh, I was looking more at the winning percentage (which was a little above 65%), and not his performance in the leagues (he did OK in proleague though). I don't think it's fair to say that he's as much dependent on maps as other players, especially zergs, because the overall zerg winning percentage was under 50%. Sure, he played worse than his previous form, but he still played far better than "dropping out of the ro16" gives him credit for.

Anyway, I guess this thread dooms bisu to a relatively early and disappointing exit from the MSL, eh?

EDIT:
On July 16 2009 22:56 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 22:53 disciple wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:47 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:31 disciple wrote:
hmmm I wonder how Jaedong did during the Taek-Bang season...



Considering the maps, he did incredibly well. Bisu himself commented once with amazement on Jaedong's ability to dominate the scene even when the entire zerg race is slumping.

JD was out from every competition in the Ro16, at least now bisu is the only toss to make it to Ro8 of some league. Jd is as much as map dependable as everyone


JD won WCG :p
and raped in PL

and Bisu had never the "OSL curse" hahaha


WCG had blue storm though. That was jaedong's map.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
July 16 2009 14:01 GMT
#34
On July 16 2009 22:56 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 22:53 disciple wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:47 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:31 disciple wrote:
hmmm I wonder how Jaedong did during the Taek-Bang season...



Considering the maps, he did incredibly well. Bisu himself commented once with amazement on Jaedong's ability to dominate the scene even when the entire zerg race is slumping.

JD was out from every competition in the Ro16, at least now bisu is the only toss to make it to Ro8 of some league. Jd is as much as map dependable as everyone


JD won WCG :p
and raped in PL

and Bisu had never the "OSL curse" hahaha

Bisu has the ultimate OSL curse, the Korean WCG qualifications were waaaay before the TaekBang, not to mention that WCG is using completely different maps.

Your JD fanboys is ok, but your hate towards Bisu is the most annoying thing to happen to me since Liverpool won the CL in the final vs Milan. Many ppl here dont like Bisu, but are so much more reasonable in their posts than you. If you want to learn how to express your feelings for him read some posts of Avidkeystamper or Atrioc
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 16 2009 14:02 GMT
#35
On July 16 2009 23:01 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 22:56 SuperArc wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:53 disciple wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:47 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:31 disciple wrote:
hmmm I wonder how Jaedong did during the Taek-Bang season...



Considering the maps, he did incredibly well. Bisu himself commented once with amazement on Jaedong's ability to dominate the scene even when the entire zerg race is slumping.

JD was out from every competition in the Ro16, at least now bisu is the only toss to make it to Ro8 of some league. Jd is as much as map dependable as everyone


JD won WCG :p
and raped in PL

and Bisu had never the "OSL curse" hahaha

Bisu has the ultimate OSL curse, the Korean WCG qualifications were waaaay before the TaekBang, not to mention that WCG is using completely different maps.

Your JD fanboys is ok, but your hate towards Bisu is the most annoying thing to happen to me since Liverpool won the CL in the final vs Milan. Many ppl here dont like Bisu, but are so much more reasonable in their posts than you. If you want to learn how to express your feelings for him read some posts of Avidkeystamper or Atrioc


Why should I? It won't cure your blindness.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 16 2009 14:03 GMT
#36
On July 16 2009 23:01 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 22:56 SuperArc wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:53 disciple wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:47 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:31 disciple wrote:
hmmm I wonder how Jaedong did during the Taek-Bang season...



Considering the maps, he did incredibly well. Bisu himself commented once with amazement on Jaedong's ability to dominate the scene even when the entire zerg race is slumping.

JD was out from every competition in the Ro16, at least now bisu is the only toss to make it to Ro8 of some league. Jd is as much as map dependable as everyone


JD won WCG :p
and raped in PL

and Bisu had never the "OSL curse" hahaha

Bisu has the ultimate OSL curse, the Korean WCG qualifications were waaaay before the TaekBang, not to mention that WCG is using completely different maps.

Your JD fanboys is ok, but your hate towards Bisu is the most annoying thing to happen to me since Liverpool won the CL in the final vs Milan. Many ppl here dont like Bisu, but are so much more reasonable in their posts than you. If you want to learn how to express your feelings for him read some posts of Avidkeystamper or Atrioc


Still remember that while Savior was destroying everyone in the MSL a few years back, he still uberly failed in the OSL, getting stuck in prelims and survivor stages for quite a while. Everyone still considered him bonjwa though cause he was destroying everything in MSL.
God Bless
NiTenIchiRyu
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom273 Posts
July 16 2009 14:05 GMT
#37
On July 16 2009 23:01 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 22:56 SuperArc wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:53 disciple wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:47 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:31 disciple wrote:
hmmm I wonder how Jaedong did during the Taek-Bang season...



Considering the maps, he did incredibly well. Bisu himself commented once with amazement on Jaedong's ability to dominate the scene even when the entire zerg race is slumping.

JD was out from every competition in the Ro16, at least now bisu is the only toss to make it to Ro8 of some league. Jd is as much as map dependable as everyone


JD won WCG :p
and raped in PL

and Bisu had never the "OSL curse" hahaha

Bisu has the ultimate OSL curse, the Korean WCG qualifications were waaaay before the TaekBang, not to mention that WCG is using completely different maps.

Your JD fanboys is ok, but your hate towards Bisu is the most annoying thing to happen to me since Liverpool won the CL in the final vs Milan. Many ppl here dont like Bisu, but are so much more reasonable in their posts than you. If you want to learn how to express your feelings for him read some posts of Avidkeystamper or Atrioc

I find it quite ironic how you're talking about fanboys and yet you diss one of the greatest CL finals in the history just because your favorite team did not win.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 14:16:02
July 16 2009 14:10 GMT
#38
Ugh, I hate these "Bisu/Jaedong/Whatever Bonjwa" threads. They're stupid, devolve into a flamefest, and inevitably, the mentioned player starts losing a little ways down the line.

No, Bisu is not a Bonjwa. No, Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Saying anything about either of them being Bonjwa just proves that you haven't been following professional Starcraft for nearly long enough.

I'm a Bisu fan. I will agree that he's the best player to ever play Protoss. But to say that he's a Bonjwa is to ignore the sheer dominance and power of past Bonjwas.
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
July 16 2009 14:13 GMT
#39
On July 16 2009 22:47 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 22:45 minus_human wrote:
hmmm... bisu - bonjwa? never

it feels good to be a hater




In all seriousness, Bisu's chances of winning the OSL are not that great, and Jaedong has a staggering lead on him in the Kespa rankings. His lead is almost worth a 1000 points, that's the same as sAviOr scored when he was in his prime, against the #2 KesPa at the time, Nada.

Unless you're talking about future OSLs (which I too think he won't be able to win that easily, because OSL mapmakers hate toss :p), he is already out of the current OSL



nvm i meant MSL

but point still stands
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 14:23:24
July 16 2009 14:17 GMT
#40
On July 16 2009 23:05 NiTenIchiRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 23:01 disciple wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:56 SuperArc wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:53 disciple wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:47 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 16 2009 22:31 disciple wrote:
hmmm I wonder how Jaedong did during the Taek-Bang season...



Considering the maps, he did incredibly well. Bisu himself commented once with amazement on Jaedong's ability to dominate the scene even when the entire zerg race is slumping.

JD was out from every competition in the Ro16, at least now bisu is the only toss to make it to Ro8 of some league. Jd is as much as map dependable as everyone


JD won WCG :p
and raped in PL

and Bisu had never the "OSL curse" hahaha

Bisu has the ultimate OSL curse, the Korean WCG qualifications were waaaay before the TaekBang, not to mention that WCG is using completely different maps.

Your JD fanboys is ok, but your hate towards Bisu is the most annoying thing to happen to me since Liverpool won the CL in the final vs Milan. Many ppl here dont like Bisu, but are so much more reasonable in their posts than you. If you want to learn how to express your feelings for him read some posts of Avidkeystamper or Atrioc

I find it quite ironic how you're talking about fanboys and yet you diss one of the greatest CL finals in the history just because your favorite team did not win.

I hate both Milan and Liverpool with passion. What annoyed my as fuck was the liverpool fans' reaction after this match...

I will never discredit Jaedong from his accomplishments but he was as metagame and map balance dependable as the other zerg players during TaekBang. PL is something completely different - ask Sea, he raped shit in PL but failed on the same maps in the individuals.
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