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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 05:45:47
July 17 2009 05:45 GMT
#141
On July 17 2009 12:39 triangle wrote:
I like (I can't remember who first posted this)'s requirements for Bonjwa:

1. Major tournament success (4 major titles or so, w/e)
2. Significant impact on the game
3. Dominance over a sustained period of time

Bisu is close to #1 and has #2, but without #3 he is not Bonjwa.

Edit- and unless Jaedong continues dominating he isn't either.
Show nested quote +
And given his loss to Effort he isn't dominant enough.


I think you're either

A) Overestimating Bisu's "impact on the game"

or

B) Underestimating the bonjwa's impact on the game.

Someone (I believe Plexa) once highlighted what each bonjwa brought to the game. In a very rough paraphrase it was: BoxeR was micro, NaDa was management, Oov was macro and sAviOr was timing.

I recognize Bisu definitely had an impact on the way people play Protoss, but not to the extent that other races were adopting from him. They were adapting to him.

On July 17 2009 02:11 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2009 01:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
You know what's a real shame about this thread?

+ Show Spoiler [MSL Spoiler] +

He never took into account that Iris is going to rape the piss out of Bisu



lol? bisu can practice with fantasy, pretty much the strongest tvp player out there right now. i really dont see bisu being defeated by iris. im rather afraid of zergs as the zvp metagame seems to be shifted quite far towards z atm.


Did you by chance read my signature dude?
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 05:49:47
July 17 2009 05:48 GMT
#142
Savior had something crazy like 7 MSL finals in a row. That's dominance. Same for the other bonjwas. If Jaedong wins the OSL, he'll be the most accomplished and best skill-wise zerg (though he already is), but he won't have that dominant air because Bisu, and potentially Fantasy, Flash, and Effort.
Not being bonjwa doesn't take anything away from anybody when you consider his competition. I can definitely see JD being the GOAZ without being bonjwa. Not now, but with a few more titles.
Arf
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
July 17 2009 05:58 GMT
#143
On July 17 2009 14:48 TwoStep wrote:
Savior had something crazy like 7 MSL finals in a row. That's dominance. Same for the other bonjwas. If Jaedong wins the OSL, he'll be the most accomplished and best skill-wise zerg (though he already is), but he won't have that dominant air because Bisu, and potentially Fantasy, Flash, and Effort.
Not being bonjwa doesn't take anything away from anybody when you consider his competition. I can definitely see JD being the GOAZ without being bonjwa. Not now, but with a few more titles.


Twas 5.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Creationism
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
China505 Posts
July 17 2009 06:03 GMT
#144
well, the OP wanted us to Mock his words, so mocking we will.

"Bisu is bonjwa" "Bisu wins everything" what a kid. If you love him so much why dont you marry him???

so in conclusion, No.
The hoi polloi is the plague upon the world.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
July 17 2009 06:37 GMT
#145
lost saga MSL and GOMTV MSL S4

bisu hand-picks his groups, consisting of all zergs, and either people who can't play ZvP or are washed up veterans

he didn't get out of either of them

that sound like a bonjwa to you?
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
July 17 2009 06:46 GMT
#146
There will not be a final bonjwa.

They will make up some crazy thing like the triumvirate.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
July 17 2009 06:56 GMT
#147
the meaning of "bonjwa" seems to be lost on most of you

let's stop having these threads they're incredibly annoying
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
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