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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
July 16 2009 22:13 GMT
#101
On July 17 2009 06:08 SilverskY wrote:
God I am so sick of these threads...

On July 16 2009 23:27 Itachii wrote:
god, when these pointless bonjwa discussions will end

La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
snarl
Profile Joined July 2004
Canada812 Posts
July 16 2009 22:27 GMT
#102
On July 17 2009 07:06 ForTenPoints wrote:
lol Go.go, Hwasin and Zero vs. Flash, Effort and Yarnc....I take the latter three any day, only a blind Bisu fanboy would say that Jaedong's group is way easier.

I think it's good that starcraft finishes with no true bonjwa...shows how the game evolved to a state where the top players are constantly bringing each other down...and no one can be truly dominant.


Bisu was in the former group so you are kinda contradicting yourself unless I'm misunderstanding you "taking" them..
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 23:35:57
July 16 2009 23:03 GMT
#103
On July 17 2009 07:06 ForTenPoints wrote:
lol Go.go, Hwasin and Zero vs. Flash, Effort and Yarnc....I take the latter three any day, only a blind Bisu fanboy would say that Jaedong's group is way easier.

I think it's good that starcraft finishes with no true bonjwa...shows how the game evolved to a state where the top players are constantly bringing each other down...and no one can be truly dominant.

It's not just who the players are, it's how Bisu/Jaedong would do vs his set of opponents. Bisu had to play go.go on Return of the King which he probably thought was imba therefore did stupid shit, and Zero's ZvP is seriously ridiculous; who would have thought of queens? Plus Zero had already denied Bisu a chance in Lost Saga MSL so I don't get why you would think he's an easy opponent for Bisu. Jaedong, however, had 2 ZvZs which is really easy for him, plus Flash was being really really bad vs Z in that series; did you see how easily he lost?

I think Bisu would have done way better if he had a Flash Effort and Yarnc group. Yarnc is sub 50% ZvP (1-3 vs bisu), and Bisu is also 3-0 against Effort. Bisu also played a lot of games vs Flash so he should be familiar with him and his style, and if he played like he did in GOM then he should be able to beat flash again. I would be more surprised if Bisu didn't make out of a Flash Effort and Yarnc group.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 16 2009 23:10 GMT
#104
I dont think JD's group was harder than Bisu's and vice versa
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
July 16 2009 23:20 GMT
#105
wow, not going to happen. Even if he wins his 4th MSL, it's not as if he has been so incredibly dominant. Sure, he has dominated the MSL, but what about the OSL. July has 3 OSLs and isn't a bownja. It isn't just a matter of titles. They are important, but more than anything it is a feeling/era of domination.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
July 16 2009 23:22 GMT
#106
On July 16 2009 22:38 Scorch wrote:
Bisu and Jaedong would both be bonjwas if it weren't for the existence of the respective other.

this man speaks the truth
PrAsty
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada21 Posts
July 16 2009 23:28 GMT
#107
there will be no bonjwa. flash is out of the osl and msl. jaedong is going to crash because he does EVERYTHING for his team and is in gom, osl and msl. and bisu just rises and falls between A class and S class.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
July 16 2009 23:31 GMT
#108
because bonjwa was so debatable didn't we agree that:
bonjwa = (1)OSL+(3)MSL

like July has a golden mouse but isn't bonjwa (isn't even in heritage league)
but flash has 2 titles and he is in the race for the title? okay...

if the OP didn't have a T1 badge on and if Bisu didn't have such a large number of fanboys, i might have been a bit more convinced. until Bisu wins his OSL, he's not a bonjwa.
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aznanimedude
Profile Joined April 2009
United States199 Posts
July 16 2009 23:33 GMT
#109
you guys made a flash next bonjwa thread what happend
then a OMFG JAEDONG IS IMBA BONJWA and look waht happened
way to jinx and screw the guy over
HOI POLLOI
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 16 2009 23:41 GMT
#110
Bisu may never win an OSL, but if he wins this MSL he'll have concreted his status as something... although not necessarily a bonjwa.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 16 2009 23:41 GMT
#111
On July 17 2009 08:31 redtooth wrote:
because bonjwa was so debatable didn't we agree that:
bonjwa = (1)OSL+(3)MSL

like July has a golden mouse but isn't bonjwa (isn't even in heritage league)
but flash has 2 titles and he is in the race for the title? okay...

if the OP didn't have a T1 badge on and if Bisu didn't have such a large number of fanboys, i might have been a bit more convinced. until Bisu wins his OSL, he's not a bonjwa.


By your logic, Boxer wouldn't qualify as a Bonjwa, which would be disgustingly false. It doesn't matter if Bisu wins this MSL and the next OSL, his dominance has been too fractured -- after his loss to Mind and not even making it to the finals of the next MSL, people didn't even consider him the top of his race, much less of the world.

The only person who's got a chance is Jaedong. A lot of people will say Bonjwa if he pulls a Boxer + nada (golden mouse, back to back OSLs), and it'll be hard to argue if he also pulls a Nal_Ra (OSL and MSL win in the same season). These are major ifs, so I don't think we can ever count on someone going bonjwa for quite some time.
Remember Violet.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
July 17 2009 00:13 GMT
#112
Silly OP, everyone knows Violet[Name] is Protoss bonjwa.
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ReCharge
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Philippines505 Posts
July 17 2009 00:18 GMT
#113
+ Show Spoiler +
Mock My Words! He will show you what it REALLY means to be a (P)Bonjwa
David Kim for Bonjwa!
ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
July 17 2009 00:23 GMT
#114
I like all 3 is that wrong?
Life is not Fucking Fair and Society is not Fucking Logical - "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
July 17 2009 00:26 GMT
#115
The only logical outcome of this discussion on the fifth bonjwa, is that the title of the last bojwas of SC1 is shared between flash,bisu and jaedong...

Batibot
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines348 Posts
July 17 2009 00:34 GMT
#116
He's only qualified for MSL right now. OSL would always be more prestigious, it's just that he gets kicked out of it. Good for him he gets kicked out because calling someone insurance.
Jaedong has to be a Bonjwa. Tired of of rooting for July.
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
July 17 2009 00:39 GMT
#117
Bisu is bonjwa.
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
July 17 2009 01:09 GMT
#118
if you gotta argue, then he ain't bonjwa

It's still flash jaedong bisu stork.
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ForSC2
Profile Joined June 2009
United States580 Posts
July 17 2009 01:15 GMT
#119
So if Bisu is Bonjwa does that make Jaedong Bonjwa supreme?
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2883#comic
piratebay
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States399 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 01:23:19
July 17 2009 01:17 GMT
#120
he aint no bonjwa, he doesnt even have a fucking osl

*edit*
not to mention, he isn't a clear standout above the rest of the crowd.
he just got knocked out of the osl in one of the easiest brackets, of his making again.

is he the favorite in the MSL when jaedong is still alive and kicking? hell no. plus, i dont doubt one of the dark horses knocking him out before he even reaches the finals.

u aint a bonjwa till u honestly know in your heart, no matter who this guy goes up against, he comes out victorious. whether it be a 4 pool rush, proxy bunker rushes, proxy dual gates, nething. it doesn't matter. (check savior in his prime and his invinciblity to cheese)

but bisu... if he faces flash, jaedong, stork, fantasy, effort or by.hero, it's a coin toss who will come out on top.
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