On July 17 2009 07:06 ForTenPoints wrote:
lol Go.go, Hwasin and Zero vs. Flash, Effort and Yarnc....I take the latter three any day, only a blind Bisu fanboy would say that Jaedong's group is way easier.

I think it's good that starcraft finishes with no true bonjwa...shows how the game evolved to a state where the top players are constantly bringing each other down...and no one can be truly dominant.

Bisu was in the former group so you are kinda contradicting yourself unless I'm misunderstanding you "taking" them..

Kentor

United States5784 Posts

July 16 2009 23:03 GMT

#103

It's not just who the players are, it's how Bisu/Jaedong would do vs his set of opponents. Bisu had to play go.go on Return of the King which he probably thought was imba therefore did stupid shit, and Zero's ZvP is seriously ridiculous; who would have thought of queens? Plus Zero had already denied Bisu a chance in Lost Saga MSL so I don't get why you would think he's an easy opponent for Bisu. Jaedong, however, had 2 ZvZs which is really easy for him, plus Flash was being really really bad vs Z in that series; did you see how easily he lost?

I think Bisu would have done way better if he had a Flash Effort and Yarnc group. Yarnc is sub 50% ZvP (1-3 vs bisu), and Bisu is also 3-0 against Effort. Bisu also played a lot of games vs Flash so he should be familiar with him and his style, and if he played like he did in GOM then he should be able to beat flash again. I would be more surprised if Bisu didn't make out of a Flash Effort and Yarnc group.

SuperArc

Austria7781 Posts

July 16 2009 23:10 GMT

#104

I dont think JD's group was harder than Bisu's and vice versa

Trezeguet

United States2656 Posts

July 16 2009 23:20 GMT

#105

wow, not going to happen. Even if he wins his 4th MSL, it's not as if he has been so incredibly dominant. Sure, he has dominated the MSL, but what about the OSL. July has 3 OSLs and isn't a bownja. It isn't just a matter of titles. They are important, but more than anything it is a feeling/era of domination.

Mastermind

Canada7096 Posts

July 16 2009 23:22 GMT

#106

On July 16 2009 22:38 Scorch wrote:
Bisu and Jaedong would both be bonjwas if it weren't for the existence of the respective other.

this man speaks the truth

PrAsty

Canada21 Posts

July 16 2009 23:28 GMT

#107

there will be no bonjwa. flash is out of the osl and msl. jaedong is going to crash because he does EVERYTHING for his team and is in gom, osl and msl. and bisu just rises and falls between A class and S class.

rredtooth

5464 Posts

July 16 2009 23:31 GMT

#108

because bonjwa was so debatable didn't we agree that:
bonjwa = (1)OSL+(3)MSL

like July has a golden mouse but isn't bonjwa (isn't even in heritage league)
but flash has 2 titles and he is in the race for the title? okay...

if the OP didn't have a T1 badge on and if Bisu didn't have such a large number of fanboys, i might have been a bit more convinced. until Bisu wins his OSL, he's not a bonjwa.

aznanimedude

United States199 Posts

July 16 2009 23:33 GMT

#109

you guys made a flash next bonjwa thread what happend
then a OMFG JAEDONG IS IMBA BONJWA and look waht happened
way to jinx and screw the guy over

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

July 16 2009 23:41 GMT

#110

Bisu may never win an OSL, but if he wins this MSL he'll have concreted his status as something... although not necessarily a bonjwa.

TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

July 16 2009 23:41 GMT

#111

On July 17 2009 08:31 redtooth wrote:
because bonjwa was so debatable didn't we agree that:
bonjwa = (1)OSL+(3)MSL

like July has a golden mouse but isn't bonjwa (isn't even in heritage league)
but flash has 2 titles and he is in the race for the title? okay...

if the OP didn't have a T1 badge on and if Bisu didn't have such a large number of fanboys, i might have been a bit more convinced. until Bisu wins his OSL, he's not a bonjwa.

By your logic, Boxer wouldn't qualify as a Bonjwa, which would be disgustingly false. It doesn't matter if Bisu wins this MSL and the next OSL, his dominance has been too fractured -- after his loss to Mind and not even making it to the finals of the next MSL, people didn't even consider him the top of his race, much less of the world.

The only person who's got a chance is Jaedong. A lot of people will say Bonjwa if he pulls a Boxer + nada (golden mouse, back to back OSLs), and it'll be hard to argue if he also pulls a Nal_Ra (OSL and MSL win in the same season). These are major ifs, so I don't think we can ever count on someone going bonjwa for quite some time.

deL

Australia5540 Posts

July 17 2009 00:13 GMT

#112

Silly OP, everyone knows Violet[Name] is Protoss bonjwa.

ReCharge

Philippines505 Posts

July 17 2009 00:18 GMT

#113

+ Show Spoiler +

Mock My Words! He will show you what it REALLY means to be a (P)

Bonjwa

ChaseR

Norway1004 Posts

July 17 2009 00:23 GMT

#114

I like all 3 is that wrong?

Shizuru~

Malaysia1676 Posts

July 17 2009 00:26 GMT

#115

The only logical outcome of this discussion on the fifth bonjwa, is that the title of the last bojwas of SC1 is shared between flash,bisu and jaedong...

Batibot

Philippines348 Posts

July 17 2009 00:34 GMT

#116

He's only qualified for MSL right now. OSL would always be more prestigious, it's just that he gets kicked out of it. Good for him he gets kicked out because calling someone insurance.

rushz0rz

Canada5300 Posts

July 17 2009 00:39 GMT

#117

Bisu is bonjwa.

.risingdragoon

United States3021 Posts

July 17 2009 01:09 GMT

#118

if you gotta argue, then he ain't bonjwa

It's still flash jaedong bisu stork.

ForSC2

United States580 Posts

July 17 2009 01:15 GMT

#119

So if Bisu is Bonjwa does that make Jaedong Bonjwa supreme?

piratebay

United States399 Posts

July 17 2009 01:17 GMT

#120

he aint no bonjwa, he doesnt even have a fucking osl

*edit*
not to mention, he isn't a clear standout above the rest of the crowd.
he just got knocked out of the osl in one of the easiest brackets, of his making again.

is he the favorite in the MSL when jaedong is still alive and kicking? hell no. plus, i dont doubt one of the dark horses knocking him out before he even reaches the finals.

u aint a bonjwa till u honestly know in your heart, no matter who this guy goes up against, he comes out victorious. whether it be a 4 pool rush, proxy bunker rushes, proxy dual gates, nething. it doesn't matter. (check savior in his prime and his invinciblity to cheese)

but bisu... if he faces flash, jaedong, stork, fantasy, effort or by.hero, it's a coin toss who will come out on top.