Poll: Who is the best Starcraft player of all time?
(Vote): Boxer
(Vote): Yellow
(Vote): Nada
(Vote): Iloveoov
(Vote): Jaedong
(Vote): Bisu
(Vote): FlaSh
(Vote): July
(Vote): Savior
(Vote): Reach
(Vote): Others (Specify)
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verzisor
Romania73 Posts
Poll: Who is the best Starcraft player of all time? (Vote): Boxer (Vote): Yellow (Vote): Nada (Vote): Iloveoov (Vote): Jaedong (Vote): Bisu (Vote): FlaSh (Vote): July (Vote): Savior (Vote): Reach (Vote): Others (Specify) | ||
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jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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barbahaba0
Israel226 Posts
voted for jaedong | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
lol @ Stork being one of the options ^^ | ||
Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
I would say Flash/Jaedong for the former and Jaedong/Oov for the later. | ||
Raithed
China7078 Posts
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Z-R0E
United States147 Posts
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shafiru
111 Posts
2. Bisu 3. Flash 4. Nada | ||
verzisor
Romania73 Posts
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
also, why is everyone saying jaedong T_T Just because he is playing well currently doesnt make him the best of all time | ||
Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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cz
United States3249 Posts
There are many ways of interpreting this question. | ||
sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
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cz
United States3249 Posts
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
I'd vote for : rA, Reach, Boxer, oov, July, JJu, YellOw, GooDFrienD and blah, blah tons of other oldschool progamers :D Boxer FTW obviously, no doubts here. | ||
imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:36 cz wrote: Do you mean highest absolute skill level or highest relative skill level for an extended period, or overall greatest contribution to the game, or longest period of dominance? There are many ways of interpreting this question. this. plus most people will vote for their favourite player | ||
Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
Mentally, I'd probably say July. As far as peak overall skill goes, I'd probably say Jaedong. | ||
cz
United States3249 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:29 B1nary wrote: Yeah, these polls are always more "who has the biggest fanboy base". But honestly, fanboy-ism aside, I think Nada is the best answer. He has the most league titles. He was on the Kespa top 30 list for 87(?) months. And he's still quite a bit better right now than the other oldies like Boxer (sorry) and Yellow who couldn't keep up with modern play. lol @ Stork being one of the options ^^ Nada's careers greatest accomplishment imo is his skill level and accomplishments over a large span of time. Nobody, nobody is even close to Nada in that. He was the main league rival for Boxer/Xellos in 2002-03, and won a large number of leagues then, but in 2006-07 was still winning a league or coming in close 2nd to Savior (and beating him in at least one bo5 final), who was the bonjwa at the time. His endurance in the top is not even close to being challenged by anyone. Bisu/Jaedon would effectively have to be in the top 3 about two-three years from now to be able to claim the same distinction, but as we've seen from all other top players, their relative skill fades. edit: July won a league after his period of dominance, true, but that's nowhere near Nada's accomplishments during his 05-07 period. He was the constant rival to Savior, the bonjwa: July was never anywhere near the rival of Jaedong/Bisu/Flash when he won his league last year. | ||
Pufftrees
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fanatacist
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
Waaay to many newcomers to the poll. Like no Grrr... ect WTF-mate. | ||
Volshok
United States349 Posts
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Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:20 plated.rawr wrote: Let's rename this thread to "Greatest fanboy-base on TeamLiquid of all time!" instead. That sums up this thread. Way too many JD nuthuggers on this website. And to contribute, Boxer, YellOw, Reach, Nada, July, Oov and rA should be the only ones on the list. | ||
samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
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Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:42 Pufftrees wrote: I voted for Jaedong because in his prime I think he can beat anyone else in a bo7 series in their prime. OfC these are speculative matches (like saying Tyson in prime vs Ali etc), but Jaedong is just fucking ridiculous combination of everything the best player should be. Yeah so far JD has been amazing at playing over 80% ZvZs and then winning most of his games in the new Zerg favored map pool. I hope someone misses my sarcasm. | ||
Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
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motbob
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United States12546 Posts
Just because Boxer invented micro doesn't mean he's the best ever. Just because iloveoov invented macro doesn't mean he's the best ever. Other people copied off of Boxer and oov and did things better than they ever did. They might be the smartest ever to play the game, but they're not the greatest. | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:59 Mania[K]al wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 05:42 Pufftrees wrote: I voted for Jaedong because in his prime I think he can beat anyone else in a bo7 series in their prime. OfC these are speculative matches (like saying Tyson in prime vs Ali etc), but Jaedong is just fucking ridiculous combination of everything the best player should be. Yeah so far JD has been amazing at playing over 80% ZvZs and then winning most of his games in the new Zerg favored map pool. I hope someone misses my sarcasm. Don't get bitter if someone besides your favorite player wins, god forbid, an internet poll. Also, "nuthugger" is a new one. XD | ||
FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
There are a lot of new people that doesn't really know Boxer/Nal_ra/Iloveoov/Nada/etc... and saying that if boxer (on his prime) plays vs jaedong or something like that he will still lose is cus JD picked the Game with all the knowledge thanks to older gamers like iloveoov/yellow/etc.... =P voted for boxer anyway | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
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Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:09 Avidkeystamper wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 05:59 Mania[K]al wrote: On June 30 2009 05:42 Pufftrees wrote: I voted for Jaedong because in his prime I think he can beat anyone else in a bo7 series in their prime. OfC these are speculative matches (like saying Tyson in prime vs Ali etc), but Jaedong is just fucking ridiculous combination of everything the best player should be. Yeah so far JD has been amazing at playing over 80% ZvZs and then winning most of his games in the new Zerg favored map pool. I hope someone misses my sarcasm. Don't get bitter if someone besides your favorite player wins, god forbid, an internet poll. Also, "nuthugger" is a new one. XD Of course im not bitter, Im just stating if youre going to make a thread about the best SC players at least do it right. SC2 brought in tons of brand new kids that dont know what the oldschoolers were capable of and all they know is how to scream OH MY GOD EE JAE DONG!!! millions of times everywhere they see something SC related. | ||
mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:21 Mania[K]al wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:09 Avidkeystamper wrote: On June 30 2009 05:59 Mania[K]al wrote: On June 30 2009 05:42 Pufftrees wrote: I voted for Jaedong because in his prime I think he can beat anyone else in a bo7 series in their prime. OfC these are speculative matches (like saying Tyson in prime vs Ali etc), but Jaedong is just fucking ridiculous combination of everything the best player should be. Yeah so far JD has been amazing at playing over 80% ZvZs and then winning most of his games in the new Zerg favored map pool. I hope someone misses my sarcasm. Don't get bitter if someone besides your favorite player wins, god forbid, an internet poll. Also, "nuthugger" is a new one. XD Of course im not bitter, Im just stating if youre going to make a thread about the best SC players at least do it right. SC2 brought in tons of brand new kids that dont know what the oldschoolers were capable of and all they know is how to scream OH MY GOD EE JAE DONG!!! millions of times everywhere they see something SC related. Then Chill? It's a poll that I doubt will influence anyone else's opinion of who is actually the best. There's nothing wrong with newer fans of SC liking the new players. | ||
SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
Best right now is Jaedong and probably of all time but Nada is right there because he was best for al ong time and he is kinda bad now ![]() A year or 2 of Jaedong owning and Nada sucking then will be Jaedong of all time and noone could even come close 2nd. | ||
LuMiX
China5757 Posts
edit- hes been in top 30 for what 6 years? who else has this accomplishment? | ||
despite
Bulgaria105 Posts
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ActualSteve
United States627 Posts
NEVER have I seen Jaedong fade. NEVER have I seen Bisu fade. For my limited scope of the scene, ^^ Those two have been the only contenders. Fuck this theory that because JD / Bisu are good now, we vote for them. | ||
Bozali
Sweden155 Posts
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oob
Sweden630 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:48 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: Iloveoov. QFT. Oov was just too good. | ||
beLieVe
Germany15 Posts
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mastuh
United States64 Posts
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blueblimp
Canada297 Posts
Most consistent high skill? Nada, clearly. Highest absolute skill (in their prime)? Jaedong, or maybe Bisu, since the general skill level of pros is so high now. Highest relative skill (in their prime)? One of the bonjwas, since that's what bonjwa means. Biggest impact on the game as a game? I'd argue iloveoov, but there are other good choices here: Boxer, Savior, and old-school players I don't know well enough. Players known for reinventing certain match-ups are decent choices too, like Bisu or Fantasy. Certainly not Jaedong, since no one knows the secret of his zvz, and I don't think he's made a big impact in other match-ups. Biggest impact on the game as an eSport? Boxer. | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Could any "best" players from previous years beat them in a Bo5? No. Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of all time. | ||
Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: Jaedong did popularize 2 hatch muta and 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra. So I wouldn't say he didn't make an impact. Typical JD fanboi upset that not everyone in the world likes watching a ball of mutas win every game. | ||
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disciple
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Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:44 Djabanete wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of right now. Could any "best" players from previous years beat them in a Bo5? No. Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of all time. Them being old could very possibly be a factor in them not being capable of beating Bisu/JD in a Bo5. | ||
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
JD's stats are fucking amazing though - I'm pretty sure no other progamer has has 69%+ win with over 300 games played. Not to mention he holds the "best matchup of all time" title in his ZvZ, somehow beating out iloveoov's godly 27-0 TvZ and sAviOr's unholy ZvP. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:36 blueblimp wrote: good post.Depends in what sense: Most consistent high skill? Nada, clearly. Highest absolute skill (in their prime)? Jaedong, or maybe Bisu, since the general skill level of pros is so high now. Highest relative skill (in their prime)? One of the bonjwas, since that's what bonjwa means. Biggest impact on the game as a game? I'd argue iloveoov, but there are other good choices here: Boxer, Savior, and old-school players I don't know well enough. Players known for reinventing certain match-ups are decent choices too, like Bisu or Fantasy. Certainly not Jaedong, since no one knows the secret of his zvz, and I don't think he's made a big impact in other match-ups. Biggest impact on the game as an eSport? Boxer. Most achieved to date is Nada. Best in absolute skill Jaedong/Bisu/Flash (can be one on one day and one on another) Highest relative skill arguably iloveoov, although this is a tough call. etc | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:44 Djabanete wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of right now. Could any "best" players from previous years beat them in a Bo5? No. Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of all time. Could Your JD and Bisu be able to beat Boxer/NaDa/rA in a Bo5, let's say 2 years ago? No. | ||
Lucktar
United States526 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:48 Mania[K]al wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: Jaedong did popularize 2 hatch muta and 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra. So I wouldn't say he didn't make an impact. Typical JD fanboi upset that not everyone in the world likes watching a ball of mutas win every game. I remember you, you're the guy that said why do jaedong fanbois make 30 thread whenever he loses, in response to the strategical question about the viability of movie's dragoon timing build. Please stop trolling and lay off the hate. | ||
StarN
United States2587 Posts
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danieldrsa
Brazil522 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:23 Avidkeystamper wrote: This doesn't work since there's no right answer. But I'll be glad to know that Jaedong has the biggest fanbase on TL! Can Bisu fans overtake us?! We are realist and vote on Boxer ![]() | ||
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:52 crucifix wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:44 Djabanete wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of right now. Could any "best" players from previous years beat them in a Bo5? No. Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of all time. Could Your JD and Bisu be able to beat Boxer/NaDa/rA in a Bo5, let's say 2 years ago? No. Uh..? Pick a better timeframe, lol. 2 years ago JD won the OSL and Bisu got a gold MSL title over Stork and a silver behind Mind. I'm pretty sure they wouldve beat Boxer, Nada, or Ra. | ||
Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:55 Avidkeystamper wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:48 Mania[K]al wrote: On June 30 2009 06:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: Jaedong did popularize 2 hatch muta and 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra. So I wouldn't say he didn't make an impact. Typical JD fanboi upset that not everyone in the world likes watching a ball of mutas win every game. I remember you, you're the guy that said why do jaedong fanbois make 30 thread whenever he loses, in response to the strategical question about the viability of movie's dragoon timing build. Please stop trolling and lay off the hate. And youre that guy that gets very upset when JD loses and tries to blame it on something irrational other than JD being outplayed, because we all know thats not possible. | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:55 danieldrsa wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 05:23 Avidkeystamper wrote: This doesn't work since there's no right answer. But I'll be glad to know that Jaedong has the biggest fanbase on TL! Can Bisu fans overtake us?! We are realist and vote on Boxer ![]() Boxer votes + Bisu votes -impartial boxer votes=?! Hmm, it's close. On June 30 2009 06:59 Mania[K]al wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:55 Avidkeystamper wrote: On June 30 2009 06:48 Mania[K]al wrote: On June 30 2009 06:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: Jaedong did popularize 2 hatch muta and 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra. So I wouldn't say he didn't make an impact. Typical JD fanboi upset that not everyone in the world likes watching a ball of mutas win every game. I remember you, you're the guy that said why do jaedong fanbois make 30 thread whenever he loses, in response to the strategical question about the viability of movie's dragoon timing build. Please stop trolling and lay off the hate. And youre that guy that gets very upset when JD loses and tries to blame it on something irrational other than JD being outplayed, because we all know thats not possible. Heres the evidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95768 On June 19 2009 13:27 Mania[K]al wrote: I like how when JD loses there has to be a 3 page thread to discuss it. JD fanbois make me sick. On June 20 2009 11:35 Mania[K]al wrote: JEADONG LOST? OH MY GOD SOMEONE START A THREAD, QUICK! | ||
barth
Ireland1272 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:52 crucifix wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:44 Djabanete wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of right now. Could any "best" players from previous years beat them in a Bo5? No. Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of all time. Could Your JD and Bisu be able to beat Boxer/NaDa/rA in a Bo5, let's say 2 years ago? No. If Person A is better now than Person B ever was, how can Person B be the best ever? | ||
Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
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n
United States48 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:18 LosingID8 wrote: it's nada you stupids. http://i40.tinypic.com/u36s5.png | ||
OmniKnight
United States73 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
On June 30 2009 07:14 Djabanete wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:52 crucifix wrote: On June 30 2009 06:44 Djabanete wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of right now. Could any "best" players from previous years beat them in a Bo5? No. Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of all time. Could Your JD and Bisu be able to beat Boxer/NaDa/rA in a Bo5, let's say 2 years ago? No. If Person A is better now than Person B ever was, how can Person B be the best ever? Well you have to consider the environments and stuff. ie: The best sprinter ever from the 1800s would be slow in comparison to any half-way decent sprinter nowadays. Except instead of changes in nutrition (steroids lol) and work outs, the changes are in the advancement and perfection of strategies and the fact that any player starting today have a much more obvious way as to the correct way to play. Omg this argument reminds me of the most recent Rocky movie. Rocky Balboa where they do the projections of who would win a boxing match between Rocky in his prime and the new guy who is owning the scene. | ||
Mongery
892 Posts
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
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FaCE_1
Canada6172 Posts
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
Honestly I think that if you go back in time and bring the little Boxer (14 yrs old) and you show him and teach him starcraft the same way that Jaedong, Flash and Bisu learned HE WILL BE A FUCKING BEAST TEARING APART ALL THE SKILLES NOOBS. =P sry for my english and the mayus but i just cant be chill when people compare the skills of olders players vs new players its just stupid. | ||
FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
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Tekin
2711 Posts
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On June 30 2009 07:35 FranzF1 wrote: LOL the most annoying thing for me is that people here dont understand that TIMEFRAMES are very important.. YOU CANT COMPARE BOXER TO JAEDONG... its simply YOU CANT, is comparing people that played and learning 2 diferent games... YOU SIMPLY DONT KNOW how the game was before Boxer (not just him... all the older gamers like him, yellow, nal_ra,etc...). Those People learn a game when builds orden doesn't even exist... it was all instinct. Honestly I think that if you go back in time and bring the little Boxer (14 yrs old) and you show him and teach him starcraft the same way that Jaedong, Flash and Bisu learned HE WILL BE A FUCKING BEAST TEARING APART ALL THE SKILLES NOOBS. =P sry for my english and the mayus but i just cant be chill when people compare the skills of olders players vs new players its just stupid. Minus the middle paragraph, you're absolutely right. These eras can't be compared because the past is what we interpret it as. Pointless thread is pointless. | ||
Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
F'in stork is there but not nal_ra?! | ||
DragoonPK
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Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
On June 30 2009 07:00 Avidkeystamper wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:55 danieldrsa wrote: On June 30 2009 05:23 Avidkeystamper wrote: This doesn't work since there's no right answer. But I'll be glad to know that Jaedong has the biggest fanbase on TL! Can Bisu fans overtake us?! We are realist and vote on Boxer ![]() Boxer votes + Bisu votes -impartial boxer votes=?! Hmm, it's close. Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:59 Mania[K]al wrote: On June 30 2009 06:55 Avidkeystamper wrote: On June 30 2009 06:48 Mania[K]al wrote: On June 30 2009 06:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: Jaedong did popularize 2 hatch muta and 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra. So I wouldn't say he didn't make an impact. Typical JD fanboi upset that not everyone in the world likes watching a ball of mutas win every game. I remember you, you're the guy that said why do jaedong fanbois make 30 thread whenever he loses, in response to the strategical question about the viability of movie's dragoon timing build. Please stop trolling and lay off the hate. And youre that guy that gets very upset when JD loses and tries to blame it on something irrational other than JD being outplayed, because we all know thats not possible. Heres the evidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95768 Show nested quote + On June 19 2009 13:27 Mania[K]al wrote: I like how when JD loses there has to be a 3 page thread to discuss it. JD fanbois make me sick. Show nested quote + On June 20 2009 11:35 Mania[K]al wrote: JEADONG LOST? OH MY GOD SOMEONE START A THREAD, QUICK! Nancy Drew is on the case! | ||
Athos
United States2484 Posts
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On June 30 2009 07:42 Dice84 wrote: Boxer: "Jaedong is the best player in the world" - October 2008 This thread is about all time though. edit: not that I agree with the thread, this is a silly fan boy circle jerk topic lol. | ||
qrs
United States3637 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
1. NaDa 2. Boxer 3. July 4. Savior / Flash / Jaedong / Bisu | ||
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AltaiR_
Korea (South)922 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
If we're talking about specific timeframes, then iloveoov was clearly the best player of all time. | ||
sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
then jaedong follows. although if this was "greatest"...... | ||
aznanimedude
United States199 Posts
don't forget he had the highest KeSPA ranking before they had to rescale it 6 years of top 30, he lived through the bonjwas and still came out fighting and doing well genius terran is genius | ||
Mongery
892 Posts
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
NaDa: #2 Cuz he is the most self accomplished player of all time. He was #1 in KEspA for like 18 months in a row when he was dominating. To this date he remains the most consistent player, and still an opponent to fear. Bisu: #3! Bisu is a freaking hero. Peaking with the highest ELO of 2352 according to TLPD. Bisu broke the trend of Protoss fearing Zergs so much and I think it brought sc to the perfect balance. First protoss to ever make it to #1 in KeSPa. I would say Bisu is the best player sc has ever seen (along side with JaeDong and Flash). JaeDong: #4... What can I say? Lol, this dude is just amazing in every single and possible way. But, I would keep him in #4 just because Bisu did something more spectacular in his career... In my opinion... Flash: #5, well Flash is possibly as good as they come. Those last three players are like the top of the top for the races. I cant imagine anyone surpassing their skill level. Theyre just too Miraculously good. Maybe someday, someone will dethrone JaeDong, Bisu and Flash. But event hen I think they will remain immortalized. Perfect play all the way. | ||
pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
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CongoJack
Canada417 Posts
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Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
On June 30 2009 08:22 Leath wrote: Boxer: #1 cuz if you look Starcraft in the dictionary, BoXeR should define it. He was bonjwa, he invented a lot of shit, still wins games today and he was there since the beginning. I just cant think of sc without BoXeR NaDa: #2 Cuz he is the most self accomplished player of all time. He was #1 in KEspA for like 18 months in a row when he was dominating. To this date he remains the most consistent player, and still an opponent to fear. Bisu: #3! Bisu is a freaking hero. Peaking with the highest ELO of 2352 according to TLPD. Bisu broke the trend of Protoss fearing Zergs so much and I think it brought sc to the perfect balance. First protoss to ever make it to #1 in KeSPa. I would say Bisu is the best player sc has ever seen (along side with JaeDong and Flash). JaeDong: #4... What can I say? Lol, this dude is just amazing in every single and possible way. But, I would keep him in #4 just because Bisu did something more spectacular in his career... In my opinion... Flash: #5, well Flash is possibly as good as they come. Those last three players are like the top of the top for the races. I cant imagine anyone surpassing their skill level. Theyre just too Miraculously good. Maybe someday, someone will dethrone JaeDong, Bisu and Flash. But event hen I think they will remain immortalized. Perfect play all the way. Good list and i wanted to comment on the end of your post. Ignoring the fact that Jd/Bisu/Flash will be the last of the best players in Sc1 because Sc2 is right around the corner, i think given the time to mature and come into it, Movie and Baby would be excellent replacements for Bisu/Flash. As for Z, I dont want to watch anyone play that race unless its Storm Zerg, Mutalisk play got old when July used it. | ||
KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:57 samachking wrote: Voted JD for best right now. Re-read the thread title : P | ||
KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:27 ActualSteve wrote: I have been following Korean SC for almost 2 years. NEVER have I seen ![]() NEVER have I seen ![]() And this tops ![]() | ||
Shuray
Brazil642 Posts
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Cobalt
United States441 Posts
With that out of the way, the question becomes much simpler. Instead of "Who is the best player of all time," the question is "Who is the best player right now." If we have established that players are better now than in the past, then the best player now is also the best player of all time. That's how the question can be answered if it is taken literally. However, as shown in this thread, people are interpreting the question differently. Some are answering the question "What player has had the most impact on the game," "What player has remained competitive better than any other," etc. Because of this, it's easy to see that the question itself is flawed. | ||
jeddus
United States832 Posts
Most popular would be Boxer. The most skilled would probably be Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash in a three way tie. Creative? Nal_Ra and Boxer. | ||
Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
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Railz
United States1449 Posts
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Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:20 plated.rawr wrote: Let's rename this thread to "Greatest fanboy-base on TeamLiquid of all time!" instead. This On June 30 2009 05:20 jhNz wrote: where is nal_ra ?! T_T and this. | ||
graemej
Canada42 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:52 crucifix wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:44 Djabanete wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of right now. Could any "best" players from previous years beat them in a Bo5? No. Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of all time. Could Your JD and Bisu be able to beat Boxer/NaDa/rA in a Bo5, let's say 2 years ago? No. i'd say yes, boxer /nada/ ra would lose even in their prime to jd/bisu in their prime | ||
PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
1) The question is problematic and leaves to many options. F A C T S : ( 1 ) The best gamer of all times : NaDa [ Not in terms of pure skill or 'how good he is' but how much he achieved. Important note : Best -/- most skillfull ~~> best meaning to be amazing over a very very long time. Most skillfull ~~> To play the most perfect starcraft possible ] ( 2 ) The most skillfull gamer(s) of all times : Flash, Bisu, Jeadong [ I dont know which of those 3 i would choose and its very close. They are all three the most skillfull players the game has seen so far but none of them is the 'best gamer of all times' ] ( 3 ) The greatest gamer(s) of all times : Boxer,NaDa, Iloveoov [ great leaves even more options than best, because it can mean so many different things. Either it means being the most successful ( = nada ) or the most dominant ( arguably = oov ) or being the most important ( probably = boxer ) ] ( 4 ) The most liked of all times : Boxer [ I think thats almost a fact if u look at polls on tl.net with him & the fact he has and especially had the biggest fan base out there ] @ creator of the topic : U can not compare bisu, jd , flash and Nada or Boxer @ the voters of the topic: U are just stupid to vote for a newcomer no matter how much you like him the question is NOT( !!!! ) : WHO IS YOUR FAVOURITE GAMER ? WHO IS THE MOST SKILLFULL GAMER RIGHT NOW OR FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS ? WHO IS THE GAMER WHO DID HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON SC/ BW ? it annoys me to hell how people can be so.. yes.. stupid.. I would never vote for NaDa if the poll question would be ' who is the best player ever in terms of pure skill and in terms of playing the game as perfect as it gets ' . Because i KNOW he is not. Same with Boxer & every other oldschool gamer. I begin to hate everyone here who auto votes boxer. Maybe we should start a poll with the question ' who do u want to die soon ' with boxer as a possible choice, too. Many stupid individuals would probably autovote for boxer as well. DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT THE POLL IS ASKING FOR ? | ||
Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On June 30 2009 09:10 graemej wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:52 crucifix wrote: On June 30 2009 06:44 Djabanete wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of right now. Could any "best" players from previous years beat them in a Bo5? No. Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of all time. Could Your JD and Bisu be able to beat Boxer/NaDa/rA in a Bo5, let's say 2 years ago? No. i'd say yes, boxer /nada/ ra would lose even in their prime to jd/bisu in their prime You didn't answer his question correctly rofl | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 30 2009 07:51 Athos wrote: Why the hell is ![]() In terms of who's done the most for the game and is generally the most awesome, ![]() In terms of who has been consistently good and won the most stuff, ![]() In terms of who is the best right now, ![]() The answer should be ![]() ![]() I dunno it depends what your criteria are. If we're talking about the best player of all time... as in most skilled person ever then prime Flash/Jaedong/Bisu shits all over prime anyone else. Period. Boxer in bonjwa mode would get stomped by all three of them in their respective god modes and the same goes for any other old schooler. If we're talking about accomplishments then well Nada wins that one hands down... or if we're talking influence then people like Boxer obviously win that. The problem with these threads is that they lack any actual definition on what BEST is. If we're talking technical skill then Bisu/Jaedong/Flash are untouchable... Jaedong plays such a high level zerg that most people can't even begin to understand how some of his builds work. The neo-sauron build looks nearly imbalanced in Jaedong's hands... | ||
FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
A)starwars 1 B)transformer 2 Just 2 things that cant be compared. PD: Jaedong is the best right now and probably will be the best of this time (post SaviOr era) =P | ||
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United States27 Posts
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United States4658 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
seriously, boxer did revolutionize the game.. but who was in the KePSA top 30 for almost his entire career? that's right, Lee YoonYeol. Jaedong can also be it but he hasn't stayed for long enough IMO, the qualifier "all time" needs nada. | ||
SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On June 30 2009 09:25 Borgir wrote: Combat-EX yo | ||
KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
I don't know if you can actually say that the pro-scene with every single passing second is inherently better than it was previously with 0% exceptions. It can be argued that periods of time in the past (short or long, recent or otherwise) existed where the general 'skill' level and competitiveness were higher than they are on this particular day/week/month (whatever miniscule measurement of time that falls under the category 'now' ) in 2009. There is a reason why people like ![]() ![]() The fact that these top players can't maintain their highest degree of endurance, practicing and mental sharpness makes it even harder to say that the level of competition is at its absolute best at this moment with no exceptions whatsoever. Another issue with the 'best now' mentality is it literally means that no one is really ever the best of 'all time.' There is a reason these two phrases mean different things. Remember that this is assuming not only that everyone's criteria for 'best' is the same, but that the aforementioned criteria is contantly being met and raised over time in the pro-scene (we all understand that the former, at the very least, is not true.) If someone keeps making a 'better' hamburger than the previous one, then even debating which hamburger is 'best' ever is completely pointless since the conclusion itself is temproray and impractical. For these reasons, I feel that the concept of 'relative skill' is far more valid than the notion of 'best now = best ever'. ) Thanks for reading. Edit: The reason why people are saying you cannot compare ![]() ![]() To actually make it a level playing field, try and imagine ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Might make a post later on why ![]() | ||
Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
On June 30 2009 08:59 jeddus wrote: NaDa would be my pick for all-time best. Most popular would be Boxer. Important distinction there. If you voted for Jaedong then you weren't around for iloveoov and NaDa before him (and after him). Honestly I find it hard to even think of including anyone but NaDa, iloveoov and possibly (not at the rate he's going though) Savior. NaDa has been in 6 MSL finals and 4 OSL finals. He is the only player to win all 3 leagues in a season (admittedly GHEMTV went out shortly after but there weren't very many times afterwards when a player was in a position to do that anyway). He has several invite tournament wins. NaDa nearly had another grand slam when he won IOPS OSL because he got 1st in IOPS OSL, 2nd in YTGK MSL and 3rd in KT-KTF league. He was that close. Then you have iloveoov (a player I despise by the way) that combined statistical dominance with an impressive number of tournament wins. 3 MSL wins, and 2 OSL wins combined with some crazy streaks. When Jaedong/Bisu/Flash have won 3 MSL, 3 OSL, several other tournaments and been in numerous finals appearances then we can START to talk about including them in this discussion. | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
But since we're going to anyways... Bisu > JD > Flash > Other terrans > Bisu, they are the best of all time, no one from the past can beat them. I say Bisu is better than JD simply cause he got 3 MSLs, I dunno why that's more important than JD's SL wins, but I just think it is. | ||
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Philippines8437 Posts
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Weryeery
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He is the best player in the period where the skill level is the highest | ||
Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 30 2009 09:44 Gryffindor_us wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 08:59 jeddus wrote: NaDa would be my pick for all-time best. Most popular would be Boxer. Important distinction there. If you voted for Jaedong then you weren't around for iloveoov and NaDa before him (and after him). Honestly I find it hard to even think of including anyone but NaDa, iloveoov and possibly (not at the rate he's going though) Savior. NaDa has been in 6 MSL finals and 4 OSL finals. He is the only player to win all 3 leagues in a season (admittedly GHEMTV went out shortly after but there weren't very many times afterwards when a player was in a position to do that anyway). He has several invite tournament wins. NaDa nearly had another grand slam when he won IOPS OSL because he got 1st in IOPS OSL, 2nd in YTGK MSL and 3rd in KT-KTF league. He was that close. Then you have iloveoov (a player I despise by the way) that combined statistical dominance with an impressive number of tournament wins. 3 MSL wins, and 2 OSL wins combined with some crazy streaks. When Jaedong/Bisu/Flash have won 3 MSL, 3 OSL, several other tournaments and been in numerous finals appearances then we can START to talk about including them in this discussion. Yea but you're talking about medals and not pure skill here. That's why this poll fails. If we're talking about just skill even Bonjwa Nada would have an extraordinarily hard time dealing with Jaedong. He'd probably get eaten alive really seeing as he lost constantly against Savior and Jaedong's mechanical skills far and away surpass that of Savior. | ||
sprawlers
Norway439 Posts
On June 30 2009 06:52 crucifix wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 06:44 Djabanete wrote: Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of right now. Could any "best" players from previous years beat them in a Bo5? No. Jaedong and Bisu are the best players of all time. Could Your JD and Bisu be able to beat Boxer/NaDa/rA in a Bo5, let's say 2 years ago? No. Yes, jaedong was fully capable of beating all those players in a BO5 2 years ago, none of them except nada were really very good then. Maybe bisu as well for what i know. Does it matter? No. The problem with best of all time, is that whoever is currently best is very likely the best of all time, as the level of play is continually improving. Then it's up to each and everyone what they mean with best. This thread has been made a hundred times over, It's always the same. Most accomplished. Nada Most dominating. Oov Autovote, influential. Boxer Best. Whoever is currently dominating, Jaedong or Bisu at the moment. On June 30 2009 09:44 Gryffindor_us wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 08:59 jeddus wrote: NaDa would be my pick for all-time best. Most popular would be Boxer. Important distinction there. If you voted for Jaedong then you weren't around for iloveoov and NaDa before him (and after him). Honestly I find it hard to even think of including anyone but NaDa, iloveoov and possibly (not at the rate he's going though) Savior. NaDa has been in 6 MSL finals and 4 OSL finals. He is the only player to win all 3 leagues in a season (admittedly GHEMTV went out shortly after but there weren't very many times afterwards when a player was in a position to do that anyway). He has several invite tournament wins. NaDa nearly had another grand slam when he won IOPS OSL because he got 1st in IOPS OSL, 2nd in YTGK MSL and 3rd in KT-KTF league. He was that close. Then you have iloveoov (a player I despise by the way) that combined statistical dominance with an impressive number of tournament wins. 3 MSL wins, and 2 OSL wins combined with some crazy streaks. When Jaedong/Bisu/Flash have won 3 MSL, 3 OSL, several other tournaments and been in numerous finals appearances then we can START to talk about including them in this discussion. For you best means most accomplished, that's not what it means for everyone. On June 30 2009 09:49 Count9 wrote: Can't compare eras /sigh But since we're going to anyways... Bisu > JD > Flash > Other terrans > Bisu, they are the best of all time, no one from the past can beat them. I say Bisu is better than JD simply cause he got 3 MSLs, I dunno why that's more important than JD's SL wins, but I just think it is. MSL is by koreans considered the least important starleague, so that argument makes no sense whatsoever. | ||
Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:57 GGQ wrote: I love Bisu, but anyone who doesn't vote NaDa for this is just wrong. I have to agree with this. | ||
ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
Nada Nada Nada but i accidently voted Bisu LOL | ||
Sosha
United States749 Posts
in which case it's pretty self-explantatory. Protoss ![]() Terran ![]() Zerg This one is totally a toss up. ![]() ![]() ![]() However, results can't lie, and Savior has seemingly fallen off from his throne. Jaedong, on the other hand, has results totally on his side. He's taken what Saviors brought about, and totally capitilized on it and w/ todays new mechanics and obviously a strong sense of determination and dedication - has totally blown away every other Zerg in the field. Take it from me, I hate Zerg but i've seen Jaedong play.. his control, his game sense.. needless to say.. its simply amazing Most recent display of Jaedongs dominance would be Jaedong v Violet @ Proleague, Heartbreak ridge. Total perfect control, gaining advantage w/ small group of lings, flawless control w/ mutas and finishing w/ an insane amount of hydras (considering how set-back violet was by the mutas) My fav. player of all time though. Always and forever. Hero Protoss ![]() I totally remember Sky OGN finals Reach v Boxer in which reach 3-1'd.. instant celebrity. gL | ||
Try
United States1293 Posts
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
so are almost all the people on the list. however Boxer was the first so Boxer it is! | ||
OnceKing
United States939 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + GiYoM, forever. | ||
LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
(Back to being fanboyish) In addition to reversing map imbalances, Jaedong seems to defy logical build order losses. For example, there's no way a zerg going 12 hatch against a proxy 9/9 gate should win especially if he sends his first six zerglings away. Jaedong's game against Lucifer sometime last year on Colosseum left me wondering whether anyone else could have managed that, and whether anyone, even in the future, could display such brilliance. Jaedong is receiving such a large percentage of the vote because the vote almost implies his name as the "correct" answer, if you will. He's number #1 in KESPA and if you assume, and you must, that the level of the average progamer has increased as a function of how long the game's been around, then you cannot vote against him (or Bisu) unless you adopt a different definition of what the poll is asking. | ||
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Singapore66160 Posts
And I chose Jaedong | ||
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United States2717 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
The Best Player of all time is ![]() The Greatest Player of all time is more difficult to decide. I'd consider the following: The 2300 Club; Top 5 Peak ELO's ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() - and other notables; ![]() ![]() That provides a pretty definitive list. In my mind, ![]() ![]() The final five are difficult to call; here's my reasoning... 5. From the early days of starcraft, ![]() 4. The protogé of BoxeR, ![]() 3. ![]() 2. This is where ![]() 1. ![]() | ||
GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On June 30 2009 05:29 B1nary wrote: Yeah, these polls are always more "who has the biggest fanboy base". But honestly, fanboy-ism aside, I think Nada is the best answer. He has the most league titles. He was on the Kespa top 30 list for 87(?) months. And he's still quite a bit better right now than the other oldies like Boxer (sorry) and Yellow who couldn't keep up with modern play. lol @ Stork being one of the options ^^ Are you kidding me? If Flash is an option then Stork is definitely one. | ||
Inzek
Chile802 Posts
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United States3705 Posts
If you define best Starcraft player of all time by the player's success, Nada, Oov, Boxer, Julyzerg, Savior, Bisu would top the list. Nada/Oov/Savior/Bisu all have 3 MSLs, and Nada/July both have 3 OSLs. Nada/Oov/Savior were all bonjwas and were considered to be almost invincible during their peaks. If you define best Starcraft player of all time by the player's skill, Jaedong/Bisu of 2009 would easily be the top 2 choices. Their mechanical skill is unsurpassed by anybody before. If you take Jaedong right now, send him back in a time machine to 2005, he would easily rape Nada/Oov. His micro, mechanics, and timing are just too good. The strategy employed by modern players is far superior to the strategies used by players from more than 3 years ago. | ||
AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:58 skronch wrote: wow, JD is surprisingly close to the boxer autovote threshold O.o I'm surprised too. Boxer always wins these kind of polls | ||
tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
Back in the day of the old school players, StarCraft was a completely different game.(You don't see 3x bunker rush, 2gate openings, early lurker/ling) Nowadays, starcraft is so advanced that NO MATTER WHAT STRATEGY YOU USE, the pure mechanics of the players Bisu/Jaedong/Flash will be too overwhelming. Since starcraft back in the old school players day, and starcraft nowdays is so different, there cannot be a real decision. | ||
Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:11 lingallin wrote: For you best means most accomplished, that's not what it means for everyone. That's fine but the problem is that other than statistics or accomplishments then how do you quantify the greatness of a player. Because if you're arguing solely on style/influence then you're going to tread into the territory of nearly pure opinion. I do agree though that these topics are futile. On June 30 2009 10:10 Jayme wrote: Yea but you're talking about medals and not pure skill here. That's why this poll fails. If we're talking about just skill even Bonjwa Nada would have an extraordinarily hard time dealing with Jaedong. He'd probably get eaten alive really seeing as he lost constantly against Savior and Jaedong's mechanical skills far and away surpass that of Savior. The problem is that trying to compare eras is impossible (especially with the ridiculous increase in the prominence of teamleague). Hell, I'm sure I've tried to justify it in the past but it's not possible. If we were to take the people in this poll and have them all start at the beginning at the same age then we might get a chance to see that played out but that's impossible. Also, as KP_Collector pointed out if we use the criteria that seems to be driving Jaedong's success in this poll then we're going to have a new best player every once in a while and that seems very shallow. What if Effort replaces Jaedong and starts winning everything left and right? Does Jaedong still hold up? It starts to get really tricky when you have to incorporate time into the evaluation. What is greater: wholly dominating for a short period of time or having bursts of dominance over a 7 year period? Oh well. ![]() The primary reason I posted was to remind people who seem to forget easily or who weren't there for it that NaDa, iloveoov etc.. exhibited the same dominance you see in Bisu, Flash, and Jaedong and they have the medals. When BW finally ends maybe we can revisit this topic with much more clarity. Probably though people will still auto-vote BoxeR T_T. | ||
Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
On June 30 2009 09:49 Count9 wrote: Can't compare eras /sigh But since we're going to anyways... Bisu > JD > Flash > Other terrans > Bisu, they are the best of all time, no one from the past can beat them. I say Bisu is better than JD simply cause he got 3 MSLs, I dunno why that's more important than JD's SL wins, but I just think it is. You're crazy if you think that 3 MSLs > 2 OSLs + 1 MSL. I'm sure alot of people can disagree with you on this one. | ||
Ruff
Kazakhstan179 Posts
3 MSL + 3 OSL = best sc player of all time | ||
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Germany10157 Posts
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United States1919 Posts
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s_side
United States700 Posts
2. Jooooooooolie 3. TBD | ||
Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
Jaedong = most dominating ever when he's in form (Flash is a close second). Boxer = granddaddy of them all. Then you get people like oov, Yellow, or Bisu who revolutionized the game, or a race, or at least a matchup... I go with NaDa though. I fully expect Jaedong to equal his medal count at some point, but for now, for me, success = greatness. | ||
Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
And of course even what I wrote can easily be refuted because those words don't even have specific enough definitions. | ||
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Australia206 Posts
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United States8552 Posts
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United States408 Posts
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terr13
United States298 Posts
By who is the most successful, and most dominating during their era, probably NaDa. No one can match his wins and his 7 year streak of being in the top 30. | ||
Count9
China10928 Posts
On June 30 2009 12:09 Spanxxx wrote: so far JD is #1 statistically speaking. some of my favorites are savior, bisu and boxer though. What stats? | ||
Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Or are people basing this on absolute skill (in which case, the best player of today -- probably either JD or Bisu -- is "best all time")? | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:19 Try wrote: Obviously Boxer, he was dominant for a longer period of time than anyone else, and mattered more to the foundation and continuation of esports. No-one on the list even comes close to what Boxer has done for the professional starcraft scene or the length of time for which he was dominant. From 2001 all the way until alittle past the time he joined ACE, Boxer was a beast. Six years he was near the top. You can say that for no one else. nada? | ||
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United States3637 Posts
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United States13896 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ... actually in my mind I know that's the correct choice, but in my heart ... | ||
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
I know his career winning % is the highest in Korea right now, but obviously the old greats have had theirs skewed down by all the losses in their post-bonjwa career. This is a serious question. I dont know how to determine it without simply counting 300 games worth of TLPD for iloveoov, nada, boxer, etc. | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
This is in order by the poll options. At 300 games: Boxer 175-125 58.33% Yellow 180-120 60.00% Nada 193-107 64.33% *It should be mentioned that he had a nice streak after this. Iloveoov 192-108 64.00% Jaedong 206-94 68.66% Bisu 190-110 63.33% Flash hasn't played 300 games yet. Currently at 184-89 67.40% July 178-122 59.33% Savior 179-121 59.66% Reach 159-141 53.00% Nal_rA 179-121 59.66% | ||
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United States5775 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
2. Most accomplished: Nada 3. Most loved: Yellow Boxer will always be the face of progaming. No one will ever take that away from him. There's a reason why people still expect magic from him despite the fact that his first televised tournament win was in 1999. Yes, that's ten years of progaming and counting. Nada is Nada. Recent top dogs such as Jaedong or Bisu may look comparable to him if we only take into consideration statistics and trophies gathered from "official Kespa" leagues, but if we look at their overall careers, it doesn't even come close. Nada is one of the three progamers (Boxer and Yellow being the other two) to have won double digit number of competitions, and he stacked more victories (televised or otherwise) against progamers than ANY other gamer. As far as progamers are concerned, Nada is the ultimate god of Starcraft. Giyom is the only other plausible name I can think of when we're discussing the "best Starcraft of all time", and that's only because of the stories I've heard of his amateur days before he came to Korea. Considering how hard it is to quantify greatness from those days, Giyom's legend really does become just that - mythology from the ancient days. As for Yellow, I believe that the universe will implode from the sheer drama if Yellow were ever to win the OGN Starleague. Some progamer (who are legends themselves) quotes I've heard regarding this issue: Chojja: Nada is the only progamer that I admit being truly defeated to. Kingdom: With Oov, I still felt capable of winning even I was defeated ten consecutive times. With Nada, I only felt fear. July: In my mind, Yellow is the greatest zerg ever. He did things that weren't humanly possible. | ||
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Singapore99 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
In terms of raw skills, today's bests are at the top. Bisu, Flash, Jaedong...And that's why it's hard to compare players from different eras in any sport. | ||
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