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eStoniaNBoY
Switzerland439 Posts
You think it`s normal? I don`t think so. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On May 16 2009 15:45 eStoniaNBoY wrote: elbowing sasha, beefing with bynum etc. known in the lakerland. You think it`s normal? I don`t think so. a lot of people have a bad history, let it go | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On May 16 2009 15:46 OneOther wrote: a lot of people have a bad history, let it go I agree. You can't base your assumptions on the fact that he seemed like the had been crying. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On May 16 2009 15:45 eStoniaNBoY wrote: elbowing sasha, beefing with bynum etc. known in the lakerland. You think it`s normal? I don`t think so. Michael Jordan punched Steve Kerr in the face. He was just as bad as Kobe, the only difference is that in those days the media weren't all over the teams and it never got out (except when he punched Kerr). He's a winner, and he gets pissed when the people around him don't have the same passion. Does he show it in the wrong ways sometimes, yes... but that's just who he is. | ||
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panda_inc
Australia170 Posts
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eStoniaNBoY
Switzerland439 Posts
Team leader should bring confidence instead of punching people around. Nevertheless I would understand that if there is a situation when Kobe would dominate the game and play he`s best scoring and defense wise and Gasol or other guys would just slack off like Bynum has been doing, then yeah he has the right to do so. But he himself played as bad as everybody else. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On May 16 2009 16:32 eStoniaNBoY wrote: During Jordan times games were more physical. There were hard fouls that never got whistled. Unlike now where you could get a technical just for talking crap. Besides Jordan was a team leader, he lead his team to championships unlike Kobe. Team leader should bring confidence instead of punching people around. Nevertheless I would understand that if there is a situation when Kobe would dominate the game and play he`s best scoring and defense wise and Gasol or other guys would just slack off like Bynum has been doing, then yeah he has the right to do so. But he himself played as bad as everybody else. uhm how does the fact that the game was more physical back then justify Jordan's actions towards his teammates? many of Jordan's teammates testified his aggressiveness with players around him. also, kobe is a great team leader as well (phil jackson talked about kobe being a better leader than jordan, but let's not get into that.) and he led his team to the Finals last year. you need to quit making assumptions because we don't know how far the lakers will go this year. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On May 15 2009 15:14 eStoniaNBoY wrote: I`m just a Laker fan who does not want his favorite team getting embarrased once again in the Finals  .... On May 16 2009 14:15 eStoniaNBoY wrote: Kobe has always been a punk. Look at other guys instantly looking away after this. Seems like he is still a psycho faggot who is feared inside his team. The guy was laughing at press conference, no wonder. Look at Ariza's interview after that game. He sounded like he had been crying and it seemed hard for him to get his stare off the locker room's ground. Probably Kobe punked him also. Andrew also sounded weird, but I guess he said Kobe to literally fuck off or get wiped the floor with *rofl* Are you a psycho faggot? | ||
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eStoniaNBoY
Switzerland439 Posts
On May 16 2009 16:32 eStoniaNBoY wrote: Nevertheless I would understand that if there is a situation when Kobe would dominate the game and play he`s best scoring and defense wise and Gasol or other guys would just slack off like Bynum has been doing, then yeah he has the right to do so. But he himself played as bad as everybody else. Mind reading this part again? | ||
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eStoniaNBoY
Switzerland439 Posts
On May 16 2009 16:32 eStoniaNBoY wrote: Nevertheless I would understand that if there is a situation when Kobe would dominate the game and play he`s best scoring and defense wise and Gasol or other guys would just slack off like Bynum has been doing, then yeah he has the right to do so. But he himself played as bad as everybody else. Mind reading this part again? | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
Mind responding to what I wrote? Who knows what Kobe was trying to do with Gasol and the rest of his teammates? It doesn't matter how well or badly he was playing, he just wanted to win. He doesn't have to be dominating the game to try and make his teammates care more | ||
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no_comprender
Australia91 Posts
has some good videos you guys might wanna check out | ||
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OneOther
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
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HonestTea
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Every great player "wants to win" It's the manner in which they present their leadership that's important. Either their leadership is good, and it brings out the best from their teammates, Or their methods are bad, and it makes their teammates play worse than they can. You can defend Kobe's will to win, But you have to judge his actions in terms of results. Do the Lakers give their all for Kobe? All I can say is that the Lakers are pretty inconsistent and Kobe isn't showing any real ability to bring a calmness and consistency to his squad. How far do you want to go for a guy who just shoved you in the head in front of the whole crowd? It would be one thing if it was behind closed doors, in the locker room or in practice. MJ punching Steve Kerr doesn't justify it either. It was bad leadership when MJ did it, and it's bad leadership if Kobe does it. There are plenty of examples of good leadership in the NBA that doesn't involve antagonizing your own teammates. Tim Duncan. Chauncey Billups. LeBron. And many more in other sports. What Kobe did was just plain bad leadership. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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HonestTea
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
http://www.answers.com/topic/magic-johnson If Johnson's rookie season with the Lakers seemed a fairy tale of sorts, his second season had all the earmarks of a nightmare. First, incurring a serious knee injury, he missed 46 games. Then, his return to the lineup occasioned resentment and envy among his teammates. The Lakers did make the playoffs and were heavily favored to oust the Houston Rockets, but instead they were beaten badly. Johnson absorbed much of the blame for the loss; he was, in fact, haunted by it through the off-season. The tension between him and his teammates only increased when Johnson secured an unprecedented $25 million, 25-year contract in June of 1981. Fellow Lakers, including Jabbar, wondered aloud if the deal would give Johnson a say in the management of the team. Some months thereafter friction developed between Johnson and then-head coach Paul Westhead over Westhead's changes in strategy. An angry Johnson spoke his mind publicly and asked to be traded. Westhead was fired the next day. To many observers, Johnson had become a spoiled prima donna holding undue influence in the Lakers front office. He was booed even in Los Angeles--but only briefly, because in 1982, under new coach Pat Riley, the Lakers advanced to, and won, the NBA championship for the second time in three years. Johnson, however, once again winning series MVP, was a far different person from the effervescent rookie he had been. He played with equal determination, but he was subdued and sobered by his experiences with club politics. People have this idealized version of what players should be, and assume it correlates with winning. | ||
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eStoniaNBoY
Switzerland439 Posts
Maybe Kobe should do such things in the locker room BEFORE the game starts so they would not be down 1-17 in the first quarter and not elbow or shove his teammates when "the train has already left the station" in front of the cameras? Not nice to shove a player who was given to you as a present by your GM and who propelled Lakers being the team that they are right now. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 16 2009 13:21 igotmyown wrote:Is that a foul? I see people do it all the time. If you remember Wade's controversial drive in the finals, he hand checks like 2-3 people. Somehow it's ok on offense as long as you don't push off but it's a foul on defense. And posting up bynum on scola might work if bynum's post game was up and running. Yes, it is. You're not allowed to use your off-arm to ward off a defender's arms/hands when shooting the ball. People get called for it all the time. I'm not sure what you're referring to with Wade, and it's not okay on offense. Yes, Bynum has been playing very poorly, but that doesn't mean you don't even attempt to take advantage of a physical advantage, particularly when doing so forces the guy who's killing you on offense to expend some energy on defense. Scola's a solid defender, but Bynum has a strength and size advantage. | ||
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